Decision time

[nobody]

Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had about
400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of oil
every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint, there
are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.

Should we:

a.) drop the price to 35K
b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
d.) something else that we haven't thought of

Ed

http://www.mekainc.com/n40008

[G.R. Patterson III]

nobody wrote:
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K

Take a look at various web sites and sales magazines (including TAP) and see
what similar aircraft are going for. Then price yours a bit cheaper.

> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K

Avoid this one. You'll be lucky to get back half of what the paint and overhaul
cost you. Many prospective buyers will also be put off by the recent overhaul,
figuring that you did it as cheaply as possible just to sell the plane.

> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer

A friend of mine had this motto over her desk - "If you keep doing what you're
doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting."

> d.) something else that we haven't thought of

Couple of things. You can crash it, hope to survive, and take the insurance
settlement. Not a good idea, in my opinion. Here's a better one. There are some
brokers out there that advertise "cash on your ramp." Doesn't hurt to call one
and see what the deal is. If you go that route and like the broker, send him my
way.

I've got my plane advertised on the AOPA web site and at www.SellAviation.com.
Got a couple calls so far, but nothing's going to sell until things settle down
after the holidays. Jim Fisher had good results from www.ASO.com.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[nobody]

> Take a look at various web sites and sales magazines (including TAP) and
see
> what similar aircraft are going for. Then price yours a bit cheaper.

Yep, did that last night. Found 34 similar aircraft. Lowest was 37K and
highest was 75K the avg was 52,132. We've advertised on AOPA, TAP and ASO.

> Avoid this one. You'll be lucky to get back half of what the paint and
overhaul
> cost you. Many prospective buyers will also be put off by the recent
overhaul,
> figuring that you did it as cheaply as possible just to sell the plane.

I'm trying to justify it by flying it a few more years if we go this way.

>...You can crash it, hope to survive, and take the insurance
> settlement. ...

That actually crossed my mind ;-) [ashamed look goes here]

Thanks for the input George,
Ed

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> nobody wrote:
> >
> > Should we:
> >
> > a.) drop the price to 35K
>
> Take a look at various web sites and sales magazines (including TAP) and
see
> what similar aircraft are going for. Then price yours a bit cheaper.
>
> > b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
>
> Avoid this one. You'll be lucky to get back half of what the paint and
overhaul
> cost you. Many prospective buyers will also be put off by the recent
overhaul,
> figuring that you did it as cheaply as possible just to sell the plane.
>
> > c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
>
> A friend of mine had this motto over her desk - "If you keep doing what
you're
> doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting."
>
> > d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Couple of things. You can crash it, hope to survive, and take the
insurance
> settlement. Not a good idea, in my opinion. Here's a better one. There are
some
> brokers out there that advertise "cash on your ramp." Doesn't hurt to call
one
> and see what the deal is. If you go that route and like the broker, send
him my
> way.
>
> I've got my plane advertised on the AOPA web site and at
www.SellAviation.com.
> Got a couple calls so far, but nothing's going to sell until things settle
down
> after the holidays. Jim Fisher had good results from www.ASO.com.
>
> George Patterson
> The desire for safety stands against every great and noble
enterprise.

[zatatime]

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:15:55 GMT, "nobody" >
wrote:

>Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had about
>400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
>now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
>paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of oil
>every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint, there
>are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
>dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
>Should we:
>
>a.) drop the price to 35K
>b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
>c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
>d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
>Ed
>
>http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>


Look around for a good price on overhaul, even if it means you don't
have the plane to use for a couple months. Get the overhaul done, fly
the hell out of it for 3 years or so, and then sell it. Hopefully the
economy changes a little and it'll be easier to sell then than it
would be now.

HTH.
z

[kage]

"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
> Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had
> about
> 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
> now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
> paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of
> oil
> every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint,
> there
> are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
> dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K
> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Ed
>
> http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>
>

If you REALLY want to get rid of it, put it on Ebay with no reserve.

karl

[Jim Rosinski]

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

> I've got my plane advertised on the AOPA web site and at
> www.SellAviation.com. Got a couple calls so far, but nothing's
> going to sell until things settle down after the holidays. Jim
> Fisher had good results from www.ASO.com.

The price is sure right for advertising at SellAviation.com (free or
$9.95 depending on how prominent you want your ad to be). But their
user interface is ****-poor. No way so far as I can tell to sort by
price, model, or even manufacturer. ASO is excellent in this regard.
Jim Rosinski

[BTIZ]

Do they want to get rid of the Warrior because of the run out engine?
Is it paid for.. not costing the club $$ other than insurance and operation?
Do they want to replace the warrior with a step up airplane? Archer or
Arrow?
Did the club set aside a rebuild fund?

A Warrior is a perfectly good training airplane.. why not just invest the
dollars for a rebuild and keep the plane? if they have not sold it in a
year... why not?

BT

"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
> Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had
> about
> 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
> now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
> paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of
> oil
> every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint,
> there
> are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
> dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K
> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Ed
>
> http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>
>

[dave]

Ed,
I was considering an older warrior because I have many hours in them
from my training. I looked at a ton of ads before I settled on buying a
citabria. I woke up and realized that my wife and kids aren't going
flying with me:(. The total time is great. The time SMOH isn't
horrible. I felt like I'd either want a recent overhaul from a name
shop or pay a lot less for a high time engine and get it overhauled (I
ended up with a 500 hour factory overhaul in the citabria I bought).
All in all your plane seems like a good choice except for price. Your
website has it listed for 46000. A couple of other things, dump the
nearly three year old picture. To me, it looks like you're hiding
something. List the location of the airplane. Take better interior
photos. The interior looks fine but there's a seat belt hanging in
almost every picture. Unlock the belts, fold them neatly on the seats
and take better pictures. Doesn't sound like much but you'd be
surprised. BTW, the autopilot is a real plus. Most warriors don't have
them. I'd list that as the number one item under avionics.

Good luck
Dave
68 7ECA

nobody wrote:
> Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had about
> 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
> now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
> paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of oil
> every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint, there
> are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
> dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K
> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Ed
>
> http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>
>

[nobody]

Its not a club, it is a four way partnership and the plane is owned free and
clear. The plane was purchased to sell as a run out as the partnership has
done twice before. We had never intended to rebuild which is why we didn't
keep a rebuild fund.

One other partner and I fly mostly x/c and want a faster plane with longer
legs. The other two are satisfied with short day trips and the low
operational costs ( 7-9 gph ).

I think if we decide to keep it, we will paint it now and wait to rebuild it
until we actually get to TBO.

Ed

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:qx5Ad.59861$QR1.41363@fed1read04...
> Do they want to get rid of the Warrior because of the run out engine?
> Is it paid for.. not costing the club $$ other than insurance and
operation?
> Do they want to replace the warrior with a step up airplane? Archer or
> Arrow?
> Did the club set aside a rebuild fund?
>
> A Warrior is a perfectly good training airplane.. why not just invest the
> dollars for a rebuild and keep the plane? if they have not sold it in a
> year... why not?
>
> BT
>
> "nobody" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had
> > about
> > 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs
left
> > now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She
needs
> > paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of
> > oil
> > every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint,
> > there
> > are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC
40,
> > dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
> >
> > Should we:
> >
> > a.) drop the price to 35K
> > b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> > c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> > d.) something else that we haven't thought of
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

Why not just fly it until the engine tells you it is time to overhaul/replace?
What are the cylinder compressions? The oil consumption is fine. What does
your oil analysis show? What have you found in the oil filter and sump screen?
How often have you been changing the oil?

TBO is not a magic number where the engine suddenly deconstructs. Fly it as far
past TBO as you can while monitoring the engine health.

Demonick

[Matt Barrow]

"Jim Rosinski" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> G.R. Patterson III wrote:
>
> > I've got my plane advertised on the AOPA web site and at
> > www.SellAviation.com. Got a couple calls so far, but nothing's
> > going to sell until things settle down after the holidays. Jim
> > Fisher had good results from www.ASO.com.
>
> The price is sure right for advertising at SellAviation.com (free or
> $9.95 depending on how prominent you want your ad to be). But their
> user interface is ****-poor. No way so far as I can tell to sort by
> price, model, or even manufacturer. ASO is excellent in this regard.
> Jim Rosinski
>
As is http://www.controller.com/

[Mike Rapoport]

The airplane market is interesting in that it considers an engine with a few
hundred hours left on it to be run out. It also considers an engine with a
few hundred hours since overhaul as "new" Selling an airplane with 200hrs
left on the engine is probably the worst time to sell it. The best time is
when it has about 200hrs SMOH.

Mike
MU-2



"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
> Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had
> about
> 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
> now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
> paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of
> oil
> every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint,
> there
> are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
> dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K
> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Ed
>
> http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>
>

[nobody]

We change the oil every 25 hours. The filter and screen have always been
clean. The at annual, last year's compression: 76,74,75,76 this year's
compression: 76,70,76,74.

Refer to my prior post. If we decide to do the paint/overhaul we will
probably end up flying it for a few more years.

Ed

> wrote in message
...
> Why not just fly it until the engine tells you it is time to
overhaul/replace?
> What are the cylinder compressions? The oil consumption is fine. What
does
> your oil analysis show? What have you found in the oil filter and sump
screen?
> How often have you been changing the oil?
>
> TBO is not a magic number where the engine suddenly deconstructs. Fly it
as far
> past TBO as you can while monitoring the engine health.
>
> Demonick

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Mike Rapoport > wrote:
>Selling an airplane with 200hrs
>left on the engine is probably the worst time to sell it. The best time is
>when it has about 200hrs SMOH.

That makes a lot of sense for buyers. If you buy at TBO-200 you don't
have the trend information to know if that's run-out or going strong.
A recent major overhaul is suspect as others in this thread have pointed
out. By 200 SMOH you can be reasonably sure that the overhaul wasn't
done with selling the plane in mind and any overhaul-induced problems
have been dealt with. At near-0 SMOH, even on a great overhaul, you have
no relationship with the shop that did the work when you run into
problems.

The extension of your observation is that halfway to TBO is the best
time to buy. Sellers never discount run-out engines enough. Sellers
who have the cost of an overhaul fresh in their minds mark up the airplane
too much.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
>

My experience is that there are a lot more people looking to buy into
partnerships than partnerships looking for new partners. More so if you're
near a major metropolitan area where there's a high volume of new pilots
looking to get out of renting.

Sounds like the plane is perfect for two of your partners. Why not have the
two of you sell your shares and go off and find something on your own?

-cwk.

[nobody]

"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...

> Sounds like the plane is perfect for two of your partners. Why not have
the
> two of you sell your shares and go off and find something on your own?

Tried that. Nobody wants to buy into a partnership with an almost run-out
plane and no engine reserve. That was my first choice but no serious bites
in six months of advertisement. We're based at IWS (West Houston). You'd
think that in a city of 4 million there would be a few pilots looking for a
partnership.

I'd sell my 1/4 share for 10K today. We pay 45.00 an hour wet to fly and
75.00 a month for covered parking and insurance. Its a cheap way to stay in
the air.

Ed

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
nobody > wrote:
>Tried that. Nobody wants to buy into a partnership with an almost run-out
>plane and no engine reserve.

If the other partners decide not to chip in at overhaul time then you
can't fly it and you've got a big investment that you have little chance
of selling. If you don't think that's a problem for your particular
partnership maybe you can convince the partners to create the fund now
with the possibility of selling individual shares at a higher price.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Dude]

"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
> "Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>> Sounds like the plane is perfect for two of your partners. Why not have
> the
>> two of you sell your shares and go off and find something on your own?
>
> Tried that. Nobody wants to buy into a partnership with an almost run-out
> plane and no engine reserve. That was my first choice but no serious
> bites
> in six months of advertisement. We're based at IWS (West Houston). You'd
> think that in a city of 4 million there would be a few pilots looking for
> a
> partnership.
>
> I'd sell my 1/4 share for 10K today. We pay 45.00 an hour wet to fly and
> 75.00 a month for covered parking and insurance. Its a cheap way to stay
> in
> the air.
>
> Ed
>


Your assessment is absolutely correct. I think you are more like at the
come to Jesus time. You are looking at a plane that likely needs to get
wholesaled, UNLESS.

Unless you can all get together and come up with a better solution that you
all agree to. Thus the downside of the partnership arrangement - there is no
free lunch.

If you all get along, and would like to move up, then you may be able to get
somewhere. You can do slightly better than rock bottom price with a trade
in to a broker or dealer. You can also pay off any unwilling partners out of
the trade at closing by financing all but 10% of the new plane.

Next time, keep a reserve. Its not just for overhaul, it can be used for
anything the group wants. Money can solve problems, and its easier to spend
the reserve than get all the partners to pony up at the same time. The club
can thus finance a new GPS by spending the reserve, and increasing the per
hour dues to make it up.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> As is http://www.controller.com/

Thanks. Mine is now listed there too.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Mike Rapoport wrote:
>
> Selling an airplane with 200hrs
> left on the engine is probably the worst time to sell it.

Maybe, but that runs neck&neck with "fresh overhaul."

> The best time is when it has about 200hrs SMOH.

Yep. Buyers can be sure that you didn't get a cheap overhaul just to sell the
plane.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[Matt Barrow]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mike Rapoport wrote:
> >
> > Selling an airplane with 200hrs
> > left on the engine is probably the worst time to sell it.
>
> Maybe, but that runs neck&neck with "fresh overhaul."
>
> > The best time is when it has about 200hrs SMOH.
>
> Yep. Buyers can be sure that you didn't get a cheap overhaul just to sell
the
> plane.

I bought mine just 60 hours short of MOH. I wanted it that way because I
wanted to redo the engine (IO-550 exchange for the problematic TSIO-520-UB,
TN, Millennium cylinders). It had just enough time left to get some dual in
it, then send it to the shop for the rework.

I can't speak for others, but I'd rather do it my way.

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Dave Butler]

Matt Barrow wrote:

>
> I bought mine just 60 hours short of MOH. I wanted it that way because I
> wanted to redo the engine (IO-550 exchange for the problematic TSIO-520-UB,
> TN, Millennium cylinders). It had just enough time left to get some dual in
> it, then send it to the shop for the rework.
>
> I can't speak for others, but I'd rather do it my way.

I'm with you, Matt. I'm not in the market right now, but if I were, I'd be
looking for a runout, with the price appropriately discounted. Dave

[Dude]

>
> I bought mine just 60 hours short of MOH. I wanted it that way because I
> wanted to redo the engine (IO-550 exchange for the problematic
> TSIO-520-UB,
> TN, Millennium cylinders). It had just enough time left to get some dual
> in
> it, then send it to the shop for the rework.
>
> I can't speak for others, but I'd rather do it my way.
>
> --
> Matt
> ---------------------
> Matthew W. Barrow
> Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
> Montrose, CO
>


Matt,

I am with you too, but I hear more owners say they don't want to have to
deal with it. They would rather buy a plane with a couple hundred hours
plus and close enough to how they want it that they don't need to do
anything.

Just like you hear people say they never want to build or renovate a house
again.

That's why I tell folks to sell buy 75% TBO, or not until they have worked
out the new engine. For a 2000 hour engine, it seems that 200 to 1500 hours
is much easier to sell than any other Tach times.

[nobody]

Well, we had an owners meeting last night. Decided to have another oil
analysis done and carefully evaluate the current health of the engine. If
we are satisfied that we can truly go past TBO, we are going to paint it and
keep it for a while and put a reman in it when it needs it. If the analysis
shows a significant deteriorating trend, we'll drop the price and wholesale
it or see if we can work out a trade with a dealer or broker.

Ed


"nobody" > wrote in message
m...
> Our partnership decided to sell our '77 Warrior II while it still had
about
> 400 hrs left before TBO. That was a year ago. There is about 200 hrs left
> now. Vref shows about 48K and we've dropped the price to 42K. She needs
> paint and is right at TBO. She still runs strong and burns about 1qt of
oil
> every 10-12 hours. All the ADs are current and other than the paint,
there
> are no squawks. Its a good IFR platform and time builder with an STEC 40,
> dual nav/coms and a panel GPS.
>
> Should we:
>
> a.) drop the price to 35K
> b.) overhaul and paint (17K) and ask 59K
> c.) do nothing and hope that we will eventually find a buyer
> d.) something else that we haven't thought of
>
> Ed
>
> http://www.mekainc.com/n40008
>
>

[Matt Barrow]

"Dave Butler" > wrote in message
news:1104329984.30249@sj-nntpcache-3...
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> >
> > I bought mine just 60 hours short of MOH. I wanted it that way because I
> > wanted to redo the engine (IO-550 exchange for the problematic
TSIO-520-UB,
> > TN, Millennium cylinders). It had just enough time left to get some dual
in
> > it, then send it to the shop for the rework.
> >
> > I can't speak for others, but I'd rather do it my way.
>
> I'm with you, Matt. I'm not in the market right now, but if I were, I'd be
> looking for a runout, with the price appropriately discounted. Dave

Another bird I was looking at was only 20 hours after MOH, but the owner did
a regular, basic overhaul. If it was mine, I would have wanted to at least
put in Millennium cylinders and a few other things, but this guy did a
"Monkey Ward" caliber OH.

Thanks, but no thanks.


Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
nobody > wrote:
>Well, we had an owners meeting last night. Decided to have another oil
>analysis done and carefully evaluate the current health of the engine.

Oil analysis requires a trend. Start doing them at every oil change
between now and TBO and you'll know something by then.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[[email protected]]

nobody wrote:
> If
> we are satisfied that we can truly go past TBO, we are going to paint
it and
> keep it for a while and put a reman in it when it needs it.

Not a bad plan, but keep in mind that a decent paint job and a reman
engine are going to cost significantly more than the $17K you stated in
the original post. Something in the neighborhood of $23K would be
more realistic.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[mindenpilot]

>A friend of mine had this motto over her desk - "If you keep doing what
>you're
>doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting."

That's a great quote...

[Doug]

I have a 1996 Amphibian Aviat Husky with 2250TTAFE which I am
considering selling. Email me at if you are
interested. It's sort of the same thing with me, engine at TBO, still
running strong. Since I am continuing to fly it, and it runs fine, I
have no reason to overhaul it. You wont get your overhaul money out of
it if you overhaul it, thats just the way it is. Priced correctly, it
is an even trade. Price after overhaul should equal price before
overhaul plus cost of overhaul. But the buyer gets to run it for a
while (500 hours?) free of engine reserves since it's already
depreciated, which may make him a little ahead of the game. Usually if
an engine is running fine, it has 500 more hours regardless.

[Dude]

Usually if
> an engine is running fine, it has 500 more hours regardless.


I would disagree whole heartedly. You would have to have a LOT of evidence
to convince me that a runout had 500 more hours in it. "running fine" could
end tomorrow.

[nobody]

> Not a bad plan, but keep in mind that a decent paint job and a reman
> engine are going to cost significantly more than the $17K you stated in
> the original post. Something in the neighborhood of $23K would be
> more realistic.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>

Yeah, I was originally thinking overhaul but its been overhauled once
before. A reman bumps the price a few notches. It doesn't sound like much
if you say it fast.

Ed

I owe, I owe, I owe, so its off to work I go.

[George Patterson]

Jim Rosinski wrote:
>
> The price is sure right for advertising at SellAviation.com (free or
> $9.95 depending on how prominent you want your ad to be). But their
> user interface is ****-poor. No way so far as I can tell to sort by
> price, model, or even manufacturer.

I just figured out how to do it. There's a set of titles at the top of the page
(make, price, year, etc.). Click on the one you want to sort by and the list
gets sorted that way. Not real obvious.

George Patterson
He who marries for money earns every penny of it.