FLARM Installation

[Boise Pilot]

Now that the portable FLARM is out, those of you who have mounted it,
would you mind informing - photos would be great too - how you did
it. Looking for a good solution before I mess things up too much.
Tom
Idaho

[Renny[_2_]]

On Mar 16, 3:58*pm, Boise Pilot > wrote:
> Now that the portable FLARM is out, those of you who have mounted it,
> would you mind informing - photos would be great too - how you did
> it. *Looking for a good solution before I mess things up too much.
> Tom
> Idaho

Tom,
Mark Mocho has made some very nice portable PF mounts for pilots at
Moriarty. His contact info is on his website at:

http://mmfabrication.com/

Thanks - Renny

[bumper[_4_]]

On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
the pilot for easy access.

I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg

bumper

[PMSC Member]

On Mar 17, 3:19*am, bumper > wrote:
> On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
> glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
> supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
> view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
> glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
> has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
> the pilot for easy access.
>
> I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
> the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
> curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
> that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:
>
> http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg
>
> http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg
>
> http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg
>
> bumper

That bracket looks a little...uh... "undesirable" in the event of a
bail out. My $0.02.

T8

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Mar 17, 4:15*am, PMSC Member > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 3:19*am, bumper > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
> > glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
> > supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
> > view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
> > glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
> > has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
> > the pilot for easy access.
>
> > I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
> > the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
> > curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
> > that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg
>
> > bumper
>
> That bracket looks a little...uh... "undesirable" in the event of a
> bail out. *My $0.02.
>
> T8- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I mounted my FLARM on top of my fixed panel using 2" Velcro and
powered it with ships power. I also tried to use the FLARM GPS signal
to drive my SN-10 with no success. The manual states MNEA-0183 version
2.0 compatible GPGGA and GPRMC info at a configured data rate.

My question; Is this sentence compatable with the SN-10? I'm sure my
pin-out was correct.
Thanks,
JJ

[bumper[_4_]]

On Mar 17, 4:15*am, PMSC Member > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 3:19*am, bumper > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
> > glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
> > supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
> > view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
> > glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
> > has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
> > the pilot for easy access.
>
> > I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
> > the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
> > curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
> > that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg
>
> > bumper
>
> That bracket looks a little...uh... "undesirable" in the event of a
> bail out. *My $0.02.
>
> T8

The bracket (and PowerFlarm) "goes away" with the canopy in the 26E,
so there is a break-away plug under the glareshield so the canopy
eject process won't be impeded should I decide not to try landing the
remaining glider bits.

The bracket is .050" aluminum, and even if used on a glider such as
the DG-800 series, where the pedestal stays put, would easily bend out
of the way. Is could, if need be, be mounted with frangible nylon
screws or 3-M mushroom style interlocking tape.

bumper

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Mar 17, 11:30*am, bumper > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 4:15*am, PMSC Member > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 17, 3:19*am, bumper > wrote:
>
> > > On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
> > > glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
> > > supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
> > > view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
> > > glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
> > > has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
> > > the pilot for easy access.
>
> > > I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
> > > the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
> > > curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
> > > that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:
>
> > >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg
>
> > >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg
>
> > >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg
>
> > > bumper
>
> > That bracket looks a little...uh... "undesirable" in the event of a
> > bail out. *My $0.02.
>
> > T8
>
> The bracket (and PowerFlarm) "goes away" with the canopy in the 26E,
> so there is a break-away plug under the glareshield so the canopy
> eject process won't be impeded should I decide not to try landing the
> remaining glider bits.

This is exactly my concern. When you blow the canopy, I'm told it
often comes straight back, in which case you could (perhaps) catch the
flarm and the bracket in the head.

As well, thin bits of aluminum in the cockpit have inflicted some
nasty injuries in crash landings. I'd be disinclined to put something
like this in my cockpit.

T8

[Paul Remde]

"JJ Sinclair" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 17, 4:15 am, PMSC Member > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 3:19 am, bumper > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On the Schleicher ASH-26E, there isn't enough room above the
> > glareshield to allow clearance for the PowerFlarm antenna - - it's not
> > supposed to contact the canopy. This, and to avoid it blocking the
> > view or panel, required making a shelf bracket to extend aft from the
> > glareshield lip and also to allow the PF to mount a bit lower. This
> > has the added advantage of bringing the control knob a bit closer to
> > the pilot for easy access.
>
> > I made the bracket from aluminum with a curved portion to mate with
> > the underside of the glareshield, TIG welded to the bracket shelf. The
> > curved underside mount could be made of wood and the shelf screwed to
> > that if TIG welding isn't available. Links to pictures:
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/021800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/023800x451.jpg
>
> >http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/bumperm/024451x800.jpg
>
> > bumper
>
> That bracket looks a little...uh... "undesirable" in the event of a
> bail out. My $0.02.
>
> T8- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I mounted my FLARM on top of my fixed panel using 2" Velcro and
powered it with ships power. I also tried to use the FLARM GPS signal
to drive my SN-10 with no success. The manual states MNEA-0183 version
2.0 compatible GPGGA and GPRMC info at a configured data rate.

My question; Is this sentence compatable with the SN-10? I'm sure my
pin-out was correct.
Thanks,
JJ

___
Hi JJ,

Yes. The data sentences you mention above are all the SN10 needs. However,
be sure that you match the baud rates. The FLARM defaults to 19200 baud and
the SN10 defaults to 4800 baud. If you have somewhat recent software in
your SN10 you can set the baud rate to 19200.

Best Regards,

--
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 3/17/2012 11:09 AM, Evan Ludeman wrote:
> On Mar 17, 11:30 am, > wrote:

>> The bracket (and PowerFlarm) "goes away" with the canopy in the 26E,
>> so there is a break-away plug under the glareshield so the canopy
>> eject process won't be impeded should I decide not to try landing the
>> remaining glider bits.
>
> This is exactly my concern. When you blow the canopy, I'm told it
> often comes straight back, in which case you could (perhaps) catch the
> flarm and the bracket in the head.
>
> As well, thin bits of aluminum in the cockpit have inflicted some
> nasty injuries in crash landings. I'd be disinclined to put something
> like this in my cockpit.

The canopy on the ASH 26 E has a "Roeger hook" at the rear. When
jettisoned, the canopy pivots around the back edge and blows free over
the top of the glider. Ditto for the ASW 27 and many other gliders. If
you have a forward opening canopy and you don't have a "hook", your
manufacturer may have retrofit kit for your glider, and you should
consider installing it.

The "thin bits" in bumper's glider are an arm's length from his face,
and if they get to his face, he has far more serious problems, I think.
In any case, bending a smooth, rounded edge on it would be easy.


--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

*The FLARM defaults to 19200 baud and
> the SN10 defaults to 4800 baud. *If you have somewhat recent software in
> your SN10 you can set the baud rate to 19200.

That did it! So,if you want to drive the SN-10 with FLARM GPS, you
need to select 19200 baud on the NMEA (SN-10 page about 3 from the end
in setup mode). Now, I can leave the Garmin GPS off and only use it if
the FLARM GPS fails, saving about 100 m/a. I still have 2 GPS's and 2
flight recorders working all the time.
Thanks Paul

I read the amps as I turned on all equipment and got the following.
Dittle radio---.09
Alt encoder----.25
Becker Tnspdr--.2
Model 20 GPS---.11
FLARM (tracking).1
SN-10----------.17
B-400----------.1
With all the above on, GPS tracking and FLARM showing a target, I read
1.02 amps total. When I transmitted on the radio---------2.3 total
amps.

Cheers,
JJ

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Friday, March 16, 2012 2:58:16 PM UTC-7, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Now that the portable FLARM is out, those of you who have mounted it,
> would you mind informing - photos would be great too - how you did
> it. Looking for a good solution before I mess things up too much.
> Tom
> Idaho

Hi Tom,
I flew with the FLARM mounted on top of the instrument panel and found it hard to see that far away. Just made a canopy mount on the right rail, much as we did with cameras years ago. I raised it straight up about 6", then 90 degree bend inwards. I angled it in and down a bit. It is now about 14" from my head and I can instantly interpret the info. FLARM is a situational awareness aid and I want to spend zero time trying to interpret the warning and emmediately look in the threat area. Don't know how to post a photo to the group.
See you at Parowan?
JJ

[Dan Marotta]

I've seen the results of a pilot's face striking an object in the cockpit
during a crash. It wasn't pretty. I'd suggest that it be mounted more than
14" from your face or that you keep your belts tight enough at all times to
avoid an unwanted collision.


"JJ Sinclair" > wrote in message
news:13255535.284.1333633483349.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynel5...
On Friday, March 16, 2012 2:58:16 PM UTC-7, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Now that the portable FLARM is out, those of you who have mounted it,
> would you mind informing - photos would be great too - how you did
> it. Looking for a good solution before I mess things up too much.
> Tom
> Idaho

Hi Tom,
I flew with the FLARM mounted on top of the instrument panel and found it
hard to see that far away. Just made a canopy mount on the right rail, much
as we did with cameras years ago. I raised it straight up about 6", then 90
degree bend inwards. I angled it in and down a bit. It is now about 14" from
my head and I can instantly interpret the info. FLARM is a situational
awareness aid and I want to spend zero time trying to interpret the warning
and emmediately look in the threat area. Don't know how to post a photo to
the group.
See you at Parowan?
JJ