Off line for a while

[Wayne Paul]

I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.

This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.

Wayne

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>
> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.

I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
problem?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[ZL]

On 3/29/2012 10:37 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
>> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
>> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>>
>> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>
> I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> problem?
>
There's traffic showing up on the Google groups r.a.s. viewer that
doesn't seem to make it out to the rest of the world.

[Wayne Paul]

Eric,

What News Group reader are you using?

Besides this thread, my last new thread is "Smoken fast climb" posted on the
27th at 12:47.

Wayne


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...

On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>
> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.

I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
problem?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Frank Whiteley]

On Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:53:12 PM UTC-6, ZL wrote:
> On 3/29/2012 10:37 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> >> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
> >> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
> >> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
> >>
> >> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
> >
> > I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> > usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> > problem?
> >
> There's traffic showing up on the Google groups r.a.s. viewer that
> doesn't seem to make it out to the rest of the world.

I just sent feedback about this to Google.

Frank Whiteley

[Dan Marotta]

Maybe the weather is just starting to support soaring...


"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
m...
> Eric,
>
> What News Group reader are you using?
>
> Besides this thread, my last new thread is "Smoken fast climb" posted on
> the 27th at 12:47.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...
>
> On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
>> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
>> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>>
>> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>
> I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> problem?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)
>
>

[Frank Whiteley]

On Friday, March 30, 2012 7:36:23 AM UTC-6, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> On Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:53:12 PM UTC-6, ZL wrote:
> > On 3/29/2012 10:37 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> > >> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
> > >> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
> > >> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
> > >>
> > >> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
> > >
> > > I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> > > usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> > > problem?
> > >
> > There's traffic showing up on the Google groups r.a.s. viewer that
> > doesn't seem to make it out to the rest of the world.
>
> I just sent feedback about this to Google.
>
> Frank Whiteley

There's a thread running on the NANOG list (North American Network Operators Group) with the subject "uunet ends newsfeed/newsreader in US". More specifically it's about uunet/vzb, or Verizon Business will terminate 3/31. I'm presuming that somewhere along the mergers and acquisitions, Verizon got uunet's USENET servers. Could be that Google and other newsfeeds are remapping, or not, causing some gaps, as this long standing newsfeed might be peered with a number of others.

Frank Whiteley

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 3/29/2012 9:56 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> Eric,
>
> What News Group reader are you using?
>
> Besides this thread, my last new thread is "Smoken fast climb" posted on
> the 27th at 12:47.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...
>
> On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
>> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
>> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>>
>> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>
> I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> problem?

I use Seamonkey 2.8 (essentially a Firefox/Thunderbird combo: browser,
email, html editor, and some bits I don't use). I get the group from the
nntp.aioe.org newsgroup server.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

[Wayne Paul]

Eric,

I've been using supernews.com. I have provided them a list of message IDs
that appear on Google and are missing from the Suppernews server. I've been
informed that they all were deleted from their server due to copyright
violations. This is the only thread that I have seen in the last two and a
half days.

I sent text from several of the missing messages and ask them to identify
for me the copyright infringements. As a result the trouble call has been
moved up to "management" for resolution.

Supernews is a paid-for service which have been happy with for the past
eight years. This is my first problem and it is a major one.

Wayne


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...

On 3/29/2012 9:56 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> Eric,
>
> What News Group reader are you using?
>
> Besides this thread, my last new thread is "Smoken fast climb" posted on
> the 27th at 12:47.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...
>
> On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
>> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
>> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>>
>> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>
> I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
> usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
> problem?

I use Seamonkey 2.8 (essentially a Firefox/Thunderbird combo: browser,
email, html editor, and some bits I don't use). I get the group from the
nntp.aioe.org newsgroup server.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 3/30/2012 10:18 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:

> Supernews is a paid-for service which have been happy with for the
> past eight years. This is my first problem and it is a major one.

I get the group from the nntp.aioe.org newsgroup server. It's free, and
it's been reliable for several years. There are other free servers, but
this is only one I'm familiar with.

I was missing a couple messages that I did find by reading them on Google.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what
you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz

[Skyslicer]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
m...
> Eric,
>
> I've been using supernews.com. I have provided them a list of message IDs
> that appear on Google and are missing from the Suppernews server. I've
> been informed that they all were deleted from their server due to
> copyright violations. This is the only thread that I have seen in the
> last two and a half days.
>
> I sent text from several of the missing messages and ask them to identify
> for me the copyright infringements. As a result the trouble call has been
> moved up to "management" for resolution.
>
> Supernews is a paid-for service which have been happy with for the past
> eight years. This is my first problem and it is a major one.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...
>
> On 3/29/2012 9:56 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>> Eric,
>>
>> What News Group reader are you using?
>>
>> Besides this thread, my last new thread is "Smoken fast climb" posted on
>> the 27th at 12:47.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 3/29/2012 7:51 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>>> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
>>> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
>>> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>>>
>>> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>>
>> I got your message; interestingly, I've been getting about 20% of the
>> usual traffic the last couple days. Maybe there is a more wide-spread
>> problem?
>
> I use Seamonkey 2.8 (essentially a Firefox/Thunderbird combo: browser,
> email, html editor, and some bits I don't use). I get the group from the
> nntp.aioe.org newsgroup server.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)
> - "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
> http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
>
>
I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there. I've
posted via the eternal-september nntp server and it never arrived in Google
Groups r.a.s. My posts on GG r.a.s. haven't arrived on either
eternal-september or aoie nntps. I've had to reload the GG page serveral
times recently (new version of application cited) to view the latest posts.

FWIW, there's talk on the NANOG list (North American Network Operators
Group) of uunet newsfeed/newsreader ending today, 3/31. I suspect that the
old uunet newsfeed became part of Verizon Business through mergers and
acquisitions as it was announced as uunet/vzb. In any event that newsfeed
is probably long term and peered with a number of other nntp servers. It's
possible there are some peering gaps, or will be after today.

Still, the common core problem appears to be at Google.

Frank Whiteley

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

On 3/30/2012 11:18 PM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> Eric,
>
> I've been using supernews.com. I have provided them a list of message IDs that
> appear on Google and are missing from the Suppernews server. I've been
> informed that they all were deleted from their server due to copyright
> violations. This is the only thread that I have seen in the last two and a
> half days.
>
> I sent text from several of the missing messages and ask them to identify for
> me the copyright infringements. As a result the trouble call has been moved up
> to "management" for resolution.
>
> Supernews is a paid-for service which have been happy with for the past eight
> years. This is my first problem and it is a major one.
>
> Wayne
<Snip...>

I used to pull my messages from aioe.org for several years, switched to
eternal-september.org ~a year ago after aioe had some issues,
quickly/non-rigorously cross-checked against both when this latest issue
appeared (both seemed to have the same issues with the same [missing] posts),
and as y'all DO see some posts on Google that have not appeared on either of
the (both) free providers. FWIW, the 'copyright issue' claim can easily be
seen to be 100% bogus.

Bob W.

[Morgans[_4_]]

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
m...

I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.

This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.

You could go try news.aioe.org, if you can live without binaries. It never
misses a beat, and is free, to boot!

-- Jim in NC

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sunday, April 1, 2012 5:24:25 PM UTC-6, Morgans wrote:
> "Wayne Paul" wrote in message
> m...
>
> I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
> past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
> contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.
>
> This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.
>
> You could go try news.aioe.org, if you can live without binaries. It never
> misses a beat, and is free, to boot!
>
> -- Jim in NC

Nothing posted in Google Groups appears on either aioe.org or eternal-september.org. External postings have arrived in GG, but it's been quiet out there. Seems much of the issue is with GG apart from the uunet/vzb newsfeed ending 3/31.

Frank Whiteley

[Wayne Paul]

Jim,

I'm afraid that news.aioe.org is suffering the same problems that are
plaguing supernews.com. If you want to make a comparison, here is a link to
Google's version of rec.aviation.soaring.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en

Wayne



"Morgans" wrote in message ...

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
m...

I've been having problems with my rec.aviation.soaring news feed for the
past three days. As a result, I haven't received any new threads. I have
contacted my provider and am still working on the problem.

This message is a test to see if the problem has been resolved.

You could go try news.aioe.org, if you can live without binaries. It never
misses a beat, and is free, to boot!

-- Jim in NC

[Vaughn]

On 3/31/2012 9:02 AM, Skyslicer wrote:

> I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there.

The obvious cure? Stop posting via Google groups!

Google has been trying to kill Usenet for years. Any problem that is
being caused by them is highly unlikely to get fixed by them.

Vaughn

[Frank Whiteley]

On Monday, April 2, 2012 6:22:20 AM UTC-6, Vaughn wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 9:02 AM, Skyslicer wrote:
>
> > I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there.
>
> The obvious cure? Stop posting via Google groups!
>
> Google has been trying to kill Usenet for years. Any problem that is
> being caused by them is highly unlikely to get fixed by them.
>
> Vaughn

Looks like the Google Groups bottleneck has cleared.

USENET is still in very wide use. The worst thing that happened were the binary news groups. That upped the bandwidth and storage a bunch while both were still expensive. Now USENET servers are run pretty economically considering the other bandwidth hogs out there. The spammers have stopped using USENET for e-mail harvesting.

What I like about USENET is the push. No forum hunting. Not as limited as lists. More engaging than RSS feeds. Then there are the flames;^)

Yeah, GG's new interface is no favorite.

Frank Whiteley

Frank Whiteley

[Skyslicer]

Looks like GG is not propagating postings again for at least 13 hours.

"Frank Whiteley" > wrote in message
news:19039670.685.1333410064857.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjd4...
On Monday, April 2, 2012 6:22:20 AM UTC-6, Vaughn wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 9:02 AM, Skyslicer wrote:
>
> > I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there.
>
> The obvious cure? Stop posting via Google groups!
>
> Google has been trying to kill Usenet for years. Any problem that is
> being caused by them is highly unlikely to get fixed by them.
>
> Vaughn

Looks like the Google Groups bottleneck has cleared.

USENET is still in very wide use. The worst thing that happened were the
binary news groups. That upped the bandwidth and storage a bunch while both
were still expensive. Now USENET servers are run pretty economically
considering the other bandwidth hogs out there. The spammers have stopped
using USENET for e-mail harvesting.

What I like about USENET is the push. No forum hunting. Not as limited as
lists. More engaging than RSS feeds. Then there are the flames;^)

Yeah, GG's new interface is no favorite.

Frank Whiteley

Frank Whiteley

[Skyslicer]

Still receiving though.

"Skyslicer" > wrote in message
...
> Looks like GG is not propagating postings again for at least 13 hours.
>
> "Frank Whiteley" > wrote in message
> news:19039670.685.1333410064857.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjd4...
> On Monday, April 2, 2012 6:22:20 AM UTC-6, Vaughn wrote:
>> On 3/31/2012 9:02 AM, Skyslicer wrote:
>>
>> > I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there.
>>
>> The obvious cure? Stop posting via Google groups!
>>
>> Google has been trying to kill Usenet for years. Any problem that is
>> being caused by them is highly unlikely to get fixed by them.
>>
>> Vaughn
>
> Looks like the Google Groups bottleneck has cleared.
>
> USENET is still in very wide use. The worst thing that happened were the
> binary news groups. That upped the bandwidth and storage a bunch while
> both were still expensive. Now USENET servers are run pretty economically
> considering the other bandwidth hogs out there. The spammers have stopped
> using USENET for e-mail harvesting.
>
> What I like about USENET is the push. No forum hunting. Not as limited
> as lists. More engaging than RSS feeds. Then there are the flames;^)
>
> Yeah, GG's new interface is no favorite.
>
> Frank Whiteley
>
> Frank Whiteley
>

[Frank Whiteley]

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:09:51 AM UTC-6, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> Still receiving though.
>
> "Skyslicer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Looks like GG is not propagating postings again for at least 13 hours.
> >
> > "Frank Whiteley" > wrote in message
> > news:19039670.685.1333410064857.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjd4...
> > On Monday, April 2, 2012 6:22:20 AM UTC-6, Vaughn wrote:
> >> On 3/31/2012 9:02 AM, Skyslicer wrote:
> >>
> >> > I reported this problem to Google Groups. It seems to reside there.
> >>
> >> The obvious cure? Stop posting via Google groups!
> >>
> >> Google has been trying to kill Usenet for years. Any problem that is
> >> being caused by them is highly unlikely to get fixed by them.
> >>
> >> Vaughn
> >
> > Looks like the Google Groups bottleneck has cleared.
> >
> > USENET is still in very wide use. The worst thing that happened were the
> > binary news groups. That upped the bandwidth and storage a bunch while
> > both were still expensive. Now USENET servers are run pretty economically
> > considering the other bandwidth hogs out there. The spammers have stopped
> > using USENET for e-mail harvesting.
> >
> > What I like about USENET is the push. No forum hunting. Not as limited
> > as lists. More engaging than RSS feeds. Then there are the flames;^)
> >
> > Yeah, GG's new interface is no favorite.
> >
> > Frank Whiteley
> >
> > Frank Whiteley
> >

One the other way for checking.

[Skyslicer]

flowing once more