$#@! TSA requirements

[C J Campbell]

We just got back from a Caribbean cruise, so now I can say that I have taken
that dam ship to Hell (the Maasdam, to be specific). I was most disappointed
that Martin Hotze was not in Hell. I was told he was away on assignment.

Against all my previous resolutions, we flew commercial down to Fort
Lauderdale. I got to have my cowboy hat x-rayed, belt and shoes removed,
patted about the groin, etc. The pat-down was the most fun I have had in ten
years.

Coming home was even worse. I got to stand in line for 20 minutes at the
baggage check-in for e-ticket holders who already had printed out their
boarding passes via the internet. Seems an old lady was trying to buy
tickets there, arguing about the weight allowance on her luggage, and could
not really decide where she wanted to go or when. The wait at the security
checkpoint was even longer. When I finally got to the checker two guys
jumped out of line in front of me, which nearly started an altercation. The
old lady's long-suffering husband was selected for extended search. You
never know what those 80 year old guys might be up to. I would think that if
decades of being married to that idiot has not turned him into a terrorist
by now, nothing will.

But the most fun was getting on and off the Maasdam at each port of call.
Here they always had us pass through a metal detector -- even though our
luggage was loaded separately and was waiting for us in out staterooms. Many
of the passengers were carrying snorkeling and SCUBA gear, including diving
knives, etc. I have not got the faintest idea what these security people
were looking for, but the wire in the brim of my hat always attracted a lot
of attention. They allowed my pocket knife and Leatherman tool to pass
without comment. I guess the next time I plan to garrote somebody I will
just have to sneak my wire saw on board with the luggage.

--
Christopher J. Campbell
World Famous Flight Instructor
Port Orchard, WA


If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals.

[Mike Rapoport]

If it makes you feel any better TSA is laying off about 5000 people on Jan.
1. It is a start.

Mike
MU-2


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> We just got back from a Caribbean cruise, so now I can say that I have
taken
> that dam ship to Hell (the Maasdam, to be specific). I was most
disappointed
> that Martin Hotze was not in Hell. I was told he was away on assignment.
>
> Against all my previous resolutions, we flew commercial down to Fort
> Lauderdale. I got to have my cowboy hat x-rayed, belt and shoes removed,
> patted about the groin, etc. The pat-down was the most fun I have had in
ten
> years.
>
> Coming home was even worse. I got to stand in line for 20 minutes at the
> baggage check-in for e-ticket holders who already had printed out their
> boarding passes via the internet. Seems an old lady was trying to buy
> tickets there, arguing about the weight allowance on her luggage, and
could
> not really decide where she wanted to go or when. The wait at the security
> checkpoint was even longer. When I finally got to the checker two guys
> jumped out of line in front of me, which nearly started an altercation.
The
> old lady's long-suffering husband was selected for extended search. You
> never know what those 80 year old guys might be up to. I would think that
if
> decades of being married to that idiot has not turned him into a terrorist
> by now, nothing will.
>
> But the most fun was getting on and off the Maasdam at each port of call.
> Here they always had us pass through a metal detector -- even though our
> luggage was loaded separately and was waiting for us in out staterooms.
Many
> of the passengers were carrying snorkeling and SCUBA gear, including
diving
> knives, etc. I have not got the faintest idea what these security people
> were looking for, but the wire in the brim of my hat always attracted a
lot
> of attention. They allowed my pocket knife and Leatherman tool to pass
> without comment. I guess the next time I plan to garrote somebody I will
> just have to sneak my wire saw on board with the luggage.
>
> --
> Christopher J. Campbell
> World Famous Flight Instructor
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals.
>
>
>

[Roger Tracy]

You must look suspicious. I fly out of Miami frequently and never
have any problems. In fact I came back north from Miami last
week and it took me about 2 minutes to check in and about 2 or 3
to go thru security complete with a "thank you .. have a nice trip".
Haven't flown out of FTL yet. Been doing MIA very frequently for 7+
yrs now though.

It has been my experience that the level of courtesy and professionalism
has risen considerably since the days of the underpaid McDonalds rejects
on their own power trips that they had before. I'm sure there's a few out
there that leave a little to be desired .. but over all pretty good.

I've also found that knowing the drill .. belt and shoes off .. laptop out
of
case .. cell phone in carry on .. metal stuff out of your pockets .. jacket
off ..keeps the line moving and keeps them smiling.

From my perspective, if I asked myself what I would change in the
way they do things if I were in charge .. I'd have to say that I have
no ideas on what to change. I think they're doing the best they can.








"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> We just got back from a Caribbean cruise, so now I can say that I have
taken
> that dam ship to Hell (the Maasdam, to be specific). I was most
disappointed
> that Martin Hotze was not in Hell. I was told he was away on assignment.
>
> Against all my previous resolutions, we flew commercial down to Fort
> Lauderdale. I got to have my cowboy hat x-rayed, belt and shoes removed,
> patted about the groin, etc. The pat-down was the most fun I have had in
ten
> years.
>
> Coming home was even worse. I got to stand in line for 20 minutes at the
> baggage check-in for e-ticket holders who already had printed out their
> boarding passes via the internet. Seems an old lady was trying to buy
> tickets there, arguing about the weight allowance on her luggage, and
could
> not really decide where she wanted to go or when. The wait at the security
> checkpoint was even longer. When I finally got to the checker two guys
> jumped out of line in front of me, which nearly started an altercation.
The
> old lady's long-suffering husband was selected for extended search. You
> never know what those 80 year old guys might be up to. I would think that
if
> decades of being married to that idiot has not turned him into a terrorist
> by now, nothing will.
>
> But the most fun was getting on and off the Maasdam at each port of call.
> Here they always had us pass through a metal detector -- even though our
> luggage was loaded separately and was waiting for us in out staterooms.
Many
> of the passengers were carrying snorkeling and SCUBA gear, including
diving
> knives, etc. I have not got the faintest idea what these security people
> were looking for, but the wire in the brim of my hat always attracted a
lot
> of attention. They allowed my pocket knife and Leatherman tool to pass
> without comment. I guess the next time I plan to garrote somebody I will
> just have to sneak my wire saw on board with the luggage.
>
> --
> Christopher J. Campbell
> World Famous Flight Instructor
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals.
>
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> I was most disappointed
> that Martin Hotze was not in Hell. I was told he was away on assignment.

I should think you'd be relieved.

Martin probably was, too! :-)

> The pat-down was the most fun I have had in ten
> years.

I'm so terribly sorry. Please accept my heart-felt condolences, CJ.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Blanche]

>keeps the line moving and keeps them smiling.

I've never seen any TSA person smiling at DIA.
I think it's part of the job description.

[Mateo]

Mike Rapoport wrote:

> If it makes you feel any better TSA is laying off about 5000 people on Jan.
> 1. It is a start.


Yet, strangely enough, the TSA had their staffing cap removed as part of
the recently-passed FAA reauthorization bill.

[Roger Tracy]

I've never been to "DIA" .. wherever that might be.


"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> >keeps the line moving and keeps them smiling.
>
> I've never seen any TSA person smiling at DIA.
> I think it's part of the job description.

[MLenoch]

>I've never been to "DIA" .. wherever that might be.
>

DIA = Denver International Airport

[SFM]

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> If it makes you feel any better TSA is laying off about 5000 people on
Jan.
> 1. It is a start.
>
> Mike
> MU-2


That's great news! Haven't been able to get a decent burger since the TSA
employed all the really good flippers as Security officers.
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[SFM]

FTL is doing something very strange and different. Their lines are always
very long and slow and the TSA requirements are a bit bizarre. It makes
Miami look a better choice now, or even WPB

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"Roger Tracy" > wrote in message
...
> You must look suspicious. I fly out of Miami frequently and never
> have any problems. In fact I came back north from Miami last
> week and it took me about 2 minutes to check in and about 2 or 3
> to go thru security complete with a "thank you .. have a nice trip".
> Haven't flown out of FTL yet. Been doing MIA very frequently for 7+
> yrs now though.
>
> It has been my experience that the level of courtesy and professionalism
> has risen considerably since the days of the underpaid McDonalds rejects
> on their own power trips that they had before. I'm sure there's a few out
> there that leave a little to be desired .. but over all pretty good.
>
> I've also found that knowing the drill .. belt and shoes off .. laptop out
> of
> case .. cell phone in carry on .. metal stuff out of your pockets ..
jacket
> off ..keeps the line moving and keeps them smiling.
>
> From my perspective, if I asked myself what I would change in the
> way they do things if I were in charge .. I'd have to say that I have
> no ideas on what to change. I think they're doing the best they can.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We just got back from a Caribbean cruise, so now I can say that I have
> taken
> > that dam ship to Hell (the Maasdam, to be specific). I was most
> disappointed
> > that Martin Hotze was not in Hell. I was told he was away on assignment.
> >
> > Against all my previous resolutions, we flew commercial down to Fort
> > Lauderdale. I got to have my cowboy hat x-rayed, belt and shoes removed,
> > patted about the groin, etc. The pat-down was the most fun I have had in
> ten
> > years.
> >
> > Coming home was even worse. I got to stand in line for 20 minutes at the
> > baggage check-in for e-ticket holders who already had printed out their
> > boarding passes via the internet. Seems an old lady was trying to buy
> > tickets there, arguing about the weight allowance on her luggage, and
> could
> > not really decide where she wanted to go or when. The wait at the
security
> > checkpoint was even longer. When I finally got to the checker two guys
> > jumped out of line in front of me, which nearly started an altercation.
> The
> > old lady's long-suffering husband was selected for extended search. You
> > never know what those 80 year old guys might be up to. I would think
that
> if
> > decades of being married to that idiot has not turned him into a
terrorist
> > by now, nothing will.
> >
> > But the most fun was getting on and off the Maasdam at each port of
call.
> > Here they always had us pass through a metal detector -- even though our
> > luggage was loaded separately and was waiting for us in out staterooms.
> Many
> > of the passengers were carrying snorkeling and SCUBA gear, including
> diving
> > knives, etc. I have not got the faintest idea what these security people
> > were looking for, but the wire in the brim of my hat always attracted a
> lot
> > of attention. They allowed my pocket knife and Leatherman tool to pass
> > without comment. I guess the next time I plan to garrote somebody I will
> > just have to sneak my wire saw on board with the luggage.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher J. Campbell
> > World Famous Flight Instructor
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> > If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the
animals.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
>
> DIA = Denver International Airport
>

Denver International Airport is DEN, DIA is not a valid location identifier
in the US.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
...
>
> Did someone say it was?
>

Yes.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
> Not necessarily, Steven. Blanche Cohen wrote "I've never seen any TSA
person
> smiling at DIA." That usage certainly would be taken by anyone in this
group as
> an airport ID, but she has not responded to your question as to what she
actually
> meant. It's possible that she did mean Denver.
>

MLenoch wrote "DIA = Denver International Airport".

DIA was the identifier for Denver International Airport while Stapleton was
still in operation. After operations shifted to the new airport and
Stapleton was closed Denver International became DEN.

[Newps]

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Blanche Cohen wrote "I've never seen any TSA person
> smiling at DIA."

Anyone who is anywhere near Denver knows exactly what is meant by DIA.
DIA is still used on a daily basis by all media outlets when referring
to Denver Int'l Airport for any reason. Anyone outside the region may
be confused.

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
>
> "Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Did someone say it was?
> >
>
> Yes.

Not necessarily, Steven. Blanche Cohen wrote "I've never seen any TSA person
smiling at DIA." That usage certainly would be taken by anyone in this group as
an airport ID, but she has not responded to your question as to what she actually
meant. It's possible that she did mean Denver.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[[email protected]]

MLenoch > wrote:
>>I've never been to "DIA" .. wherever that might be.
>>

> DIA = Denver International Airport

And now for several variations...

DIA = Denver's Imaginary Airport

Mayor "Fed" only imagined Denver needed a new airport... it didn't and
doesn't Stapleton was one of the best airport around for getting into
town, from parking to the gate, from the gate to parking... 3 miles
from downtown Denver. However, Mayor "Fed" got his federal job
at DOT, so DIA did some good... it got "Fed" out of Denver!

DIA = "Done in August... no, Done in April, no Done in August",
as the delays went on and on...

Even so, before DIA officially opened, we had a General Aviation
fly-in... and I have a picture of my airplane at the jetway for gate
"B37". :-) The universal comment from the GA pilots was "Lets do
this again next weekend"!

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
...
>
> Great. So MLenoch didn't say "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."
> Then who did?
>

Who said that anyone said "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."?

[Peter Duniho]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> > Great. So MLenoch didn't say "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."
> > Then who did?
>
> Who said that anyone said "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."?

You didn't say that literally. But your reply to MLenoch's post clearly
implied that exact statement.

Not that you'll admit it at this point, since you'd have to admit to be
wrong and we know you never do that.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
>
> You didn't say that literally. But your reply to MLenoch's post clearly
> implied that exact statement.
>

Just as MLenoch's post didn't say DIA was the identifier for Denver
International Airport but clearly implied it.


>
> Not that you'll admit it at this point, since you'd have to admit to be
> wrong and we know you never do that.
>

Never is a long time. I have admitted I was wrong in these forums, I rarely
admit I'm wrong simply because I have to be wrong first.

[Scott Skylane]

Remember typing this, Steven?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Did someone say it was?
>>
>
>
> Yes.
>
>

[Scott Skylane]

Then, 14 hours later, you typed this!


Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

> "Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Great. So MLenoch didn't say "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."
>>Then who did?
>>
>
>
> Who said that anyone said "DIA is the airport identifier for Denver."?
>
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
...
>
> Remember typing this, Steven?
>

Yes.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
...
>
> Then, 14 hours later, you typed this!
>

Yes. Were you trying to make a point?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Michael Nouak" > wrote in message
...
>
> I asked whether someone said that DIA is the airport identifier for
Denver.
> You said yes. Now, again (can't be that hard, surely?)
>

One wouldn't think so, but it certainly does seem to give you a lot of
trouble.


>
> - who did?
>

Again, MLenoch wrote "DIA = Denver International Airport".

[MLenoch]

>Again, MLenoch wrote "DIA = Denver International Airport".
>
>

And again, KDIA does not exist.
But KDEN = Denver International Airport,
but also commonly known as DIA ( in non-pilot parlance, often for those that
are street wise).

(Don't get too tight around the axle).
VL

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
>
> And again, KDIA does not exist.
>

No, not anymore. If you review the thread you'll see it was I that pointed
that out.

[MLenoch]

>> And again, KDIA does not exist.
>>
>
>No, not anymore. If you review the thread you'll see it was I that pointed
>that out.

Do you have a reference to an ICAO source for this? Thx.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
>
> Do you have a reference to an ICAO source for this?
>

An ICAO source for what?

[Steve]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

> "MLenoch" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > And again, KDIA does not exist.
> >
>
> No, not anymore. If you review the thread you'll see it was I that pointed
> that out.

Actually, in the thread people were describing DIA as indicating Denver
International Airport, which is an abbreviation based on the first letter of
each word. Not all abreviations need to have the blessing of ICAO, IATA, or
FAA. Harrisburg International Airport is routinely described as HIA, even by
its management and advertising <http://flyhia.com> even though its official
identifier is MDT or KMDT.

By the way, airlines and IATA use SCE as their identifier for KUNV.
University Park Airport, State College, Pennsylvania

SCE was a grass field where the airlines had DC-3 service years ago. It is
long closed.

[MLenoch]

For that matter the same is true for KORD. Old Orchard Airport does not exist
anymore as it has been replaced and built over by O'Hare.

But, Where would I find KDIA in my INS or GPS or Lockheed Flight planner? That
is where one needs the source code from ICAO to load one's destination airport
for navigation. Do you have an ICAO source for KDIA? Thx.
VL

[Steve]

MLenoch wrote:

> But, Where would I find KDIA in my INS or GPS or Lockheed Flight planner? That
> is where one needs the source code from ICAO to load one's destination airport
> for navigation. Do you have an ICAO source for KDIA? Thx.
> VL

When replying to a post, it is a good idea to quote a portion of that cost to
capture the context of your reply. Your reply was to my post and at NO time in my
post did I say that KDIA existed or that there was an ICAO source for it. In fact,
I stated the opposite. Mere abbreviations do not need to be official identifiers
or appear in your personal INS. For example, people routinely use the abbreviation
FAR(s)s to describe Federal Aviation Regulation(s). FAR(s) could also stand for
Federal Acquisition Regulation(s), and the US government uses this abbreviation.

[Steve]

> When replying to a post, it is a good idea to quote a portion of that cost to

Oops, should read post not cost.

[MLenoch]

Steve, you win. You are smarter.
VL

[Steve]

MLenoch wrote:

> Steve, you win.

Glad I could help you.