SeeYou for Android!

[Naviter Info]

We are excited beyond words:
http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/

SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!

It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.

There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovated www.Naviter.com - Phones welcome!

If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)

Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 8, 7:12*pm, Naviter Info > wrote:
> We are excited beyond words:http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>
> SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>
> It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>
> There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovatedwww.Naviter.com- Phones welcome!
>
> If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>
> Andrej Kolar
> --
> glider pilots usehttp://www.Naviter.com

Great news for all Dell Streak users...

[JS]

Perhaps we're waiting for OLC to allow the Submit button to appear in the Optimization panel, as shown in the "Features and Screenshots".
Jim

By pressing the Submit button in the Optimization panel you can submit your flights to the Online Contest with a single click.

[Tobias Bieniek]

> By pressing the Submit button in the Optimization panel you can submit your flights to the Online Contest with a single click.

how does that work? is the OLC finally opening up to an open interface for external applications?

[K]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:12:08 PM UTC-7, Naviter Info wrote:
> We are excited beyond words:
>
> http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>
>
>
> SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>
>
>
> It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>
>
>
> There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovated www.Naviter.com - Phones welcome!
>
>
>
> If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>
>
>
> Andrej Kolar
>
> --
>
> glider pilots use
>
> http://www.Naviter.com

Can we expect to see See You Mobile for android some time in the future. Has anyone tried a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy in the cockpit?

[Dan Marotta]

I ran XCSoar on a Samsung Galaxy for about 6 months. It was very good
except when the sun shined directly on it. Then I had to shade it with my
hand or just wait until I was headed in a different direction.




"K" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:12:08 PM UTC-7, Naviter Info wrote:
>> We are excited beyond words:
>>
>> http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>>
>>
>>
>> SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>>
>>
>>
>> It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your
>> flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally
>> renovated www.Naviter.com - Phones welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this
>> weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrej Kolar
>>
>> --
>>
>> glider pilots use
>>
>> http://www.Naviter.com
>
> Can we expect to see See You Mobile for android some time in the future.
> Has anyone tried a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy in the cockpit?

[Naviter Info]

That's an old screenshot. We should update it.

Or even better - convince OLC to enable it again ;)

Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com

On Friday, November 9, 2012 11:13:43 AM UTC+1, Tobias Bieniek wrote:
> > By pressing the Submit button in the Optimization panel you can submit your flights to the Online Contest with a single click.
>
>
>
> how does that work? is the OLC finally opening up to an open interface for external applications?

[Naviter Info]

Getting SeeYou Mobile to run on Android is popular demand, especially these days. But please do consider Dan's comment below about the visibilty. I would also add that I would think twice before I would mount my main smartphone into the cockpit. The second most repaired item on Oudie is the USB plug because people bump into the plug with their knees all the time. It's not a big deal on Oudie. It's relatively strong, easily replaceable and not very critical (charging would normally still work). I wouldn't want to break it on my phone..

Long story short. It looks like we will have to do SeeYou Mobile for Android even if there really isn't a device which we could recommend whole heartedly.

Many may disagree, but there is nothing that beats the good old Windows CE based Oudie 2 in the sunny glider cockpit today. It's exactly the right size, perfectly bright enough, all neccessary cables are packed right into the package and it comes preloaded with software which is useful for beginners and world champions alike. You can literally turn it on and fly.

Sincerely,
Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com

On Friday, November 9, 2012 4:55:00 PM UTC+1, K wrote:
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:12:08 PM UTC-7, Naviter Info wrote:
>
> > We are excited beyond words:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovated www.Naviter.com - Phones welcome!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Andrej Kolar
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> > glider pilots use
>
> >
>
> > http://www.Naviter.com
>
>
>
> Can we expect to see See You Mobile for android some time in the future. Has anyone tried a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy in the cockpit?

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 9, 5:46*pm, Naviter Info > wrote:
> Getting SeeYou Mobile to run on Android is popular demand, especially these days. But please do consider Dan's comment below about the visibilty. I would also add that I would think twice before I would mount my main smartphone into the cockpit. The second most repaired item on Oudie is the USB plug because people bump into the plug with their knees all the time. It's not a big deal on Oudie. It's relatively strong, easily replaceable and not very critical (charging would normally still work). I wouldn't want to break it on my phone..
>
> Long story short. It looks like we will have to do SeeYou Mobile for Android even if there really isn't a device which we could recommend whole heartedly.
>
> Many may disagree, but there is nothing that beats the good old Windows CE based Oudie 2 in the sunny glider cockpit today. It's exactly the right size, perfectly bright enough, all neccessary cables are packed right into the package and it comes preloaded with software which is useful for beginners and world champions alike. You can literally turn it on and fly.
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrej Kolar
> --
> glider pilots usehttp://www.Naviter.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 9, 2012 4:55:00 PM UTC+1, K wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:12:08 PM UTC-7, Naviter Info wrote:
>
> > > We are excited beyond words:
>
> > >http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>
> > > SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>
> > > It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>
> > > There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovatedwww.Naviter.com- Phones welcome!
>
> > > If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>
> > > Andrej Kolar
>
> > > --
>
> > > glider pilots use
>
> > >http://www.Naviter.com
>
> > Can we expect to see See You Mobile for android some time in the future.. Has anyone tried a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy in the cockpit?

Oudie 2 is not as visible as Dell Streak 5 with good anti glare. Also
Oudie 2 is very power hungry. I see plenty of Android devices in
cockpits running XCSoar.

[Naviter Info]

Unfortunately I have not had the pleasure yet to see a Dell Streak in the sun yet. Would love to compare. If it is only the same as Oudie 2 then it is already great.

I don't know what is "a lot" of energy. Oudie 2 (the latest production run) is consuming between 170 and 220 mA at 12V or 2-2.5W if you like. Which is not exactly a lot imho. It's certainly not a problem.

Let's please not make it a flame war. Android has its problems and its advantages, Oudie 2 likewise. Pilots have a choice and that's a good thing.

Regards,
Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com


On Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:41:32 AM UTC+1, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> On Nov 9, 5:46*pm, Naviter Info > wrote:
>
> > Getting SeeYou Mobile to run on Android is popular demand, especially these days. But please do consider Dan's comment below about the visibilty. I would also add that I would think twice before I would mount my main smartphone into the cockpit. The second most repaired item on Oudie is the USB plug because people bump into the plug with their knees all the time. It's not a big deal on Oudie. It's relatively strong, easily replaceable and not very critical (charging would normally still work). I wouldn't want to break it on my phone..
>
> >
>
> > Long story short. It looks like we will have to do SeeYou Mobile for Android even if there really isn't a device which we could recommend whole heartedly.
>
> >
>
> > Many may disagree, but there is nothing that beats the good old Windows CE based Oudie 2 in the sunny glider cockpit today. It's exactly the right size, perfectly bright enough, all neccessary cables are packed right into the package and it comes preloaded with software which is useful for beginners and world champions alike. You can literally turn it on and fly.
>
> >
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> > Andrej Kolar
>
> > --
>
> > glider pilots usehttp://www.Naviter.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Friday, November 9, 2012 4:55:00 PM UTC+1, K wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:12:08 PM UTC-7, Naviter Info wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > We are excited beyond words:
>
> >
>
> > > >http://www.naviter.com/2012/11/seeyou-for-android/
>
> >
>
> > > > SeeYou for Android Phones and Tablets is here!
>
> >
>
> > > > It comes hand in hand with SeeYou 5 which enables you to upload your flights comfortably to the SeeYou Cloud.
>
> >
>
> > > > There's too much news to cover it all here. Please visit the totally renovatedwww.Naviter.com- Phones welcome!
>
> >
>
> > > > If you happen to be in Utrecht, Holland or Beauchevain, Belgium this weekend please stop by. We'll demo it for you in person :)
>
> >
>
> > > > Andrej Kolar
>
> >
>
> > > > --
>
> >
>
> > > > glider pilots use
>
> >
>
> > > >http://www.Naviter.com
>
> >
>
> > > Can we expect to see See You Mobile for android some time in the future. Has anyone tried a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy in the cockpit?
>
>
>
> Oudie 2 is not as visible as Dell Streak 5 with good anti glare. Also
>
> Oudie 2 is very power hungry. I see plenty of Android devices in
>
> cockpits running XCSoar.

[[email protected]]

Andrej,
Enjoyed your presentation today. Nice to hear about the creativity surrounding your firm.

Thanks,
Marco

[Roel Baardman]

Andrej, can you please elaborate on your plans with SeeYou cloud?
Are you preparing to compete with OLC?
And will SeeYou also interface with Skylines once they have an open API?

[Naviter Info]

Hi Roel,

thanks for your questions. I'll be more than happy to answer. It will be a long post, so please bear with me.

> can you please elaborate on your plans with SeeYou cloud?

I'm not exaggerating if I say that we see it as the glue between pilots, hardware manufacturers and software developers in every way.

I'd like to point out only a few use cases to explain the statement above.

1. For the pilots who will contribute the content:

SeeYou Cloud is private and secure which means that the content (flights, waypoints, tasks, airspace etc) belongs to the person who uploaded the data (you). Nobody else can access the data without the owner's (your) permission to do so. As soon as you do grant permission the data is shared with those with the correct permissions. If you need an example then Dropbox is very much like SeeYou Cloud except Dropbox is without the gliding logic. Your data in Dropbox is private but you can share it with the world if you wish.

2. For the software developers:

SeeYou Cloud is OAuth and https secured and it has a REST/JSON API. Just like every modern cloud solution out there. Which also means that developers are welcome to start thinking about what they will do with the data they will be able to access in the Cloud.

There is a lot of ideas out there and we know that there are many software developers and organizations who are starving for flight data they could analyze and use in many different ways. If they are successful this can only lead to new developments, new knowledge, new products and new services for glider pilots. Which is great. We will take a lot of pride out of it if we (Naviter) will be the ones who will be the foundation of this new knowledge..

3. For the hardware manufacturers:

It will be the easiest and most reliable link to their customers.

Imagine an LX 9000, Nano, Colibri, Butterfly Vario, ClearNav, you name it.. which sends your flight directly to the scoring office (or OLC) after landing. Without you ever touching anything! After you are done pushing the glider off the runway you fire up SeeYou on your Smartphone and your flight is already waiting for you in there (downloaded from the SeeYou Cloud). And it has already been scored too while you were pusing the glider.

Or how about this. You are in a competition and task B has been called. CD uploaded new information to Soaring Spot / SeeYou Cloud. LX 9000 checked and found new task on the SeeYou Cloud. You come to the cockpit and the LX 9000 screen is telling you that Task B has been published, "do you want to use this task today?".

Or the same example with airspace. Some who flew in Uvalde have bitter memories of the airspace changes during the training week. There would have been a few virtual landouts less (and a few happy pilots more) if their instrument would have asked "do you want to use new airspace information?" prior to the flight.

Possibilities are endless and I'm just scratching the surface. I know you have more and better ideas than I do. And the SeeYou Cloud will enable you to realize them.

> Are you preparing to compete with OLC?

No. Not at all.

OLC (meaning www.onlinecontest.org) is not a technical solution. OLC is a story. And it is a great story. It connects all glider pilots from all over the world and I am very happy to see that many pilots post most if not all of their flights on OLC. Certainly the best ones are there and they are displayed very prominently. In my club we fly the same gliders as 30 years ago.. But we fly them 30% faster and 40% further than we did 30 years ago. OLC had everything to do with that!

If we had more than one OLC the information would dissipate and the total value of all OLCs together would be less than if we have one strong OLC. This is my personal opinion and you are free to disagree with it.

The dissipation happened to the paragliders. There is more than 50 online contests around the world for paragliders and hang gliders without a clear leader and with different rules. Even for an insider that makes things difficult to follow and understand. The learning and the motivational effect is very much diminished by that imho.

I wish for one strong OLC. SeeYou Cloud will support it, but it will also several other OLCs not least the ones from our free flying friends.

SeeYou Cloud is the middle layer between the pilot and the OLC front end.

> And will SeeYou also interface with Skylines once they have an open API?

We've already asked the Skylines developers for their API but I'd rather see deeds do the talking. We can deal with it between Turbo, Max and us I think.

Thanks again for asking Roel!

Andrej Kolar
--
glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:03:33 PM UTC+1, Roel Baardman wrote:
> Andrej, can you please elaborate on your plans with SeeYou cloud?
>
> Are you preparing to compete with OLC?
>
> And will SeeYou also interface with Skylines once they have an open API?

[Roel Baardman]

Thanks for the elaborate answer Andrej!
I'm looking forward to the SeeYou cloud API!

Roel