enough with the TFR's already

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i've had it folks. Cheney (Dick right?) is on a bus tour in PA so
everyone has to stop and bow? COME ON MAN! Stop the trucks, cars and
large tricycles too.

these TFRs are getting unsafe and frankly whenever the controllers are
dealing with it they're in a bad mood, unhelpful, and the airspace feels
like dictatorial territory.

ENOUGH!!!!!

[kontiki]

Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
(and vice-presidential) wannabees.

wrote:
> i've had it folks. Cheney (Dick right?) is on a bus tour in PA so
> everyone has to stop and bow? COME ON MAN! Stop the trucks, cars and
> large tricycles too.
>
> these TFRs are getting unsafe and frankly whenever the controllers are
> dealing with it they're in a bad mood, unhelpful, and the airspace feels
> like dictatorial territory.
>
> ENOUGH!!!!!
>
>

[Andrew Gideon]

kontiki wrote:

> Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
> (and vice-presidential) wannabees.

Has this occurred yet?

- Andrew

[Jay Masino]

Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> kontiki wrote:
>> Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
>> (and vice-presidential) wannabees.

> Has this occurred yet?

No. The Kerry campaign hasn't requested any.



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[SFM]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
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> kontiki wrote:
>
> > Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
> > (and vice-presidential) wannabees.
>
> Has this occurred yet?
>
> - Andrew
>
No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen. All that has
occurred is the typical local traffic restriction at the airport for their
arrival and departure. A very small area is affected and for only a short
period of time but it is not a TFR.

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[Peter Duniho]

"SFM" > wrote in message
...
> No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.

Really? Can you document that? I have only seen it reported that the Kerry
campaign has not asked for TFRs. That's subtly (but importantly) different
from specifically asking that they don't occur.

Pete

[dave]

Agreed, it's crazy.

Kontiki - shown some proof or are you playing off that bonehead thread
about waiting in the terminal for Senator Edwards to depart.

As far as I know there haven't been. I even confirmed with flight
service that there aren't any.

Dave
68 7ECA

kontiki wrote:
> Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
> (and vice-presidential) wannabees.
>
> wrote:
>
>> i've had it folks. Cheney (Dick right?) is on a bus tour in PA so
>> everyone has to stop and bow? COME ON MAN! Stop the trucks, cars and
>> large tricycles too.
>>
>> these TFRs are getting unsafe and frankly whenever the controllers are
>> dealing with it they're in a bad mood, unhelpful, and the airspace
>> feels like dictatorial territory.
>>
>> ENOUGH!!!!!
>>
>>
>

[SFM]

Seed the article on the AOPA site

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"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "SFM" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.
>
> Really? Can you document that? I have only seen it reported that the
Kerry
> campaign has not asked for TFRs. That's subtly (but importantly)
different
> from specifically asking that they don't occur.
>
> Pete
>
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"SFM" > wrote in message
...
> > >
> > > Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up
> > > for presidential (and vice-presidential) wannabees.
> > >
> >
> > Has this occurred yet?
> >
>
> No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.
>

Do you have a reference for that?

[Earl Grieda]

"SFM" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
> gonline.com...
> > kontiki wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for
> > > presidential (and vice-presidential) wannabees.
> >
> > Has this occurred yet?
> >
> > - Andrew
> >
> No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen. All
> that has occurred is the typical local traffic restriction at the
> airport for their arrival and departure. A very small area is affected
> and for only a short period of time but it is not a TFR.
>

"On behalf of the hundreds of thousands of pilots who rely on predictable
access to airspace for their flight activities, I want to personally thank
you for your common-sense approach to security in not requesting airspace
restrictions for your campaign travels," AOPA President Phil Boyer wrote in
an August 2 letter to Kerry."

http://www.ilsapproach.com/forum/index.cgi?noframes;read=77047

[Peter Duniho]

"Earl Grieda" > wrote in message
link.net...
> "On behalf of the hundreds of thousands of pilots who rely on predictable
> access to airspace for their flight activities, I want to personally thank
> you for your common-sense approach to security in not requesting airspace
> restrictions for your campaign travels," AOPA President Phil Boyer wrote
in
> an August 2 letter to Kerry."

Yes, we are all familiar with that quote, as it has been widely reported.
However, it neither supports nor refutes SFM's claim that "Senator Kerry has
asked that it not happen".

[Peter Duniho]

"SFM" > wrote in message
...
> Seed the article on the AOPA site

Which article? If there was one that supported your claim, you would have
posted a link to it.

[TaxSrv]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
> > No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.
> >
>
> Do you have a reference for that?
>
I too would like to see proof that DHS leaves it to the candidates to
either request or forego TFRs. Info on the DHS web site says that
TFRs may be employed for "national special security events," but the
examples provided are more significant than brief campaign stops as
the above phrase implies. Any citizen can ask, or simply not ask, a
relevant gov't agency to do something, so AOPA isn't being deceptive.
Sen. Kennedy asked Sec'y Ridge to remove him from the terrorist no-fly
list, but was unsuccessful!

This doesn't mean that Secret Service, who operate separately from the
major events people in DHS, won't consider TFR's too, but do they
leave it up to the candidate?

Fred F.