enough with the TFR's already

i've had it folks. Cheney (Dick right?) is on a bus tour in PA so
everyone has to stop and bow? COME ON MAN! Stop the trucks, cars and
large tricycles too.

these TFRs are getting unsafe and frankly whenever the controllers are
dealing with it they're in a bad mood, unhelpful, and the airspace feels
like dictatorial territory.

ENOUGH!!!!!

Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
(and vice-presidential) wannabees.

wrote:
i've had it folks. Cheney (Dick right?) is on a bus tour in PA so
everyone has to stop and bow? COME ON MAN! Stop the trucks, cars and
large tricycles too.

these TFRs are getting unsafe and frankly whenever the controllers are
dealing with it they're in a bad mood, unhelpful, and the airspace feels
like dictatorial territory.

ENOUGH!!!!!

kontiki wrote:

Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
(and vice-presidential) wannabees.

Has this occurred yet?

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:
kontiki wrote:
Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
(and vice-presidential) wannabees.

Has this occurred yet?

No. The Kerry campaign hasn't requested any.



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kontiki wrote:

Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for presidential
(and vice-presidential) wannabees.

Has this occurred yet?

- Andrew

No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen. All that has
occurred is the typical local traffic restriction at the airport for their
arrival and departure. A very small area is affected and for only a short
period of time but it is not a TFR.

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"SFM" wrote in message
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No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.

Really? Can you document that? I have only seen it reported that the Kerry
campaign has not asked for TFRs. That's subtly (but importantly) different
from specifically asking that they don't occur.

Pete

Seed the article on the AOPA site

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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"SFM" wrote in message
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No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.

Really? Can you document that? I have only seen it reported that the
Kerry
campaign has not asked for TFRs. That's subtly (but importantly)
different
from specifically asking that they don't occur.

Pete

"SFM" wrote in message
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Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up
for presidential (and vice-presidential) wannabees.


Has this occurred yet?


No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.


Do you have a reference for that?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen.


Do you have a reference for that?

I too would like to see proof that DHS leaves it to the candidates to
either request or forego TFRs. Info on the DHS web site says that
TFRs may be employed for "national special security events," but the
examples provided are more significant than brief campaign stops as
the above phrase implies. Any citizen can ask, or simply not ask, a
relevant gov't agency to do something, so AOPA isn't being deceptive.
Sen. Kennedy asked Sec'y Ridge to remove him from the terrorist no-fly
list, but was unsuccessful!

This doesn't mean that Secret Service, who operate separately from the
major events people in DHS, won't consider TFR's too, but do they
leave it up to the candidate?

Fred F.

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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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kontiki wrote:

Agreed. And I'm even more exasperated when TFRs go up for
presidential (and vice-presidential) wannabees.

Has this occurred yet?

- Andrew

No it has not and Senator Kerry has asked that it not happen. All
that has occurred is the typical local traffic restriction at the
airport for their arrival and departure. A very small area is affected
and for only a short period of time but it is not a TFR.


"On behalf of the hundreds of thousands of pilots who rely on predictable
access to airspace for their flight activities, I want to personally thank
you for your common-sense approach to security in not requesting airspace
restrictions for your campaign travels," AOPA President Phil Boyer wrote in
an August 2 letter to Kerry."

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