Crop duster missing

[Len]

Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
keep an eye out for something odd-

http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf

Len
PP-SEL

[BTIZ]

sure.. I think you would... but that would be buried in the aircraft maint
logs..
I don't think the thief pilot would know where to look...

also remember this is TSA... they do not know anything about aircraft..
maint requirements or paper work... look at the fiasco they just unleashed
with 49CFR1552

They are still writing waivers and interpretations on what they really meant
to cover.

BT

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Len" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
>> keep an eye out for something odd-
>>
>> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
>>
>> Len
>> PP-SEL
>
> Install hidden security switches to prevent unauthorized startup of
> aircraft???? how could you hide a switch on an airplane wouldn't you need
> a
> 337 and a description on the switch ware it's going to be placed?
>
>

[NW_PILOT]

"Len" > wrote in message
...
> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> keep an eye out for something odd-
>
> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
>
> Len
> PP-SEL

Install hidden security switches to prevent unauthorized startup of
aircraft???? how could you hide a switch on an airplane wouldn't you need a
337 and a description on the switch ware it's going to be placed?

[CV]

Len wrote:
> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> keep an eye out for something odd-
>
> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf

The aircraft in the picture doesn't quite look like a Pawnee
to me. Is the picture flattened out a bit perhaps or is it
really some other model ?

CV

[Mackfly]

>The aircraft in the picture doesn't quite look like a Pawnee
>to me. Is the picture flattened out a bit perhaps or is it
>really some other model ?

Yes, the picture is stretched left to right. It is a Pawnee however. Maybe a
local glider club needed a tow plane? Naw, I don't think that is the case. I
wonder just how many other types of airplanes are stolen in Mexico a year?
Mac Pawnee pilot.

[G.R. Patterson III]

BTIZ wrote:
>
> sure.. I think you would... but that would be buried in the aircraft maint
> logs..
> I don't think the thief pilot would know where to look...

Of course they would, 'cause the FAA would require that you install a large red
placard telling you to turn it on before flight.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Jay Masino]

BTIZ > wrote:
> also remember this is TSA... they do not know anything about aircraft..
> maint requirements or paper work... look at the fiasco they just unleashed
> with 49CFR1552

I guess they don't know anything about cutting the P-leads and hand
propping, either.



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[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Masino wrote:
>
> I guess they don't know anything about cutting the P-leads and hand
> propping, either.

I really doubt that that's an issue on the Pawnee. Or most of the other aircraft with
which the TSA is concerned.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Jay Masino]

G.R. Patterson III > wrote:

> I really doubt that that's an issue on the Pawnee. Or most of the other
> aircraft with which the TSA is concerned.

Yea. Of course, it's sometimes hard to tell which are the "aircraft with
which the TSA is concerned" :)


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[George]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message >...
> "Len" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> > keep an eye out for something odd-
> >
> > http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
> >
> > Len
> > PP-SEL
>
> Install hidden security switches to prevent unauthorized startup of
> aircraft???? how could you hide a switch on an airplane wouldn't you need a
> 337 and a description on the switch ware it's going to be placed?

and immediately falls apart when some-one does a conversion onto that machine.
Remember the ground switch on the PA22 ??????

[Dean Wilkinson]

Odds are it was stolen by drug runners, not terrorists. That being the
case, the TSA doesn't stand a chance of catching them!

"Len" > wrote in message
...
> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> keep an eye out for something odd-
>
> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
>
> Len
> PP-SEL

[Peter Duniho]

"Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
...
> Odds are it was stolen by drug runners, not terrorists. That being the
> case, the TSA doesn't stand a chance of catching them!

The TSA stands little chance of catching ANYONE other than your average,
generally-law-abiding citizen.

[Robert M. Gary]

(Mackfly) wrote in message >...
> >The aircraft in the picture doesn't quite look like a Pawnee
> >to me. Is the picture flattened out a bit perhaps or is it
> >really some other model ?
>
> Yes, the picture is stretched left to right. It is a Pawnee however. Maybe a
> local glider club needed a tow plane? Naw, I don't think that is the case. I
> wonder just how many other types of airplanes are stolen in Mexico a year?
> Mac Pawnee pilot.


Very few. I asked my agent about that before going down there. If you
talk to the Bush Pilot Association they will tell you that everyone
has a story about a friend's plane being stolen in Mexico but if you
ask N numbers you almost always come up empty. I think they said that
there are approx 1 verifiable airplane stolen in Mexico a year
(usually a 210). My agent says he sees more planes stolen in the U.S.
with prop locks, locked hangers and wheel locks.

-Robert

[NW_PILOT]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Odds are it was stolen by drug runners, not terrorists. That being the
> > case, the TSA doesn't stand a chance of catching them!
>
> The TSA stands little chance of catching ANYONE other than your average,
> generally-law-abiding citizen.
>
>

Peter , Exelent point!!!!

[BTIZ]

our "Crop Duster" Pawnee has been visited annually since 9/11, just to make
sure they don't see spray booms or liquid canisters.. it's been a tow plane
for 20yrs..

BT

"Jay Masino" > wrote in message
...
> G.R. Patterson III > wrote:
>
>> I really doubt that that's an issue on the Pawnee. Or most of the other
>> aircraft with which the TSA is concerned.
>
> Yea. Of course, it's sometimes hard to tell which are the "aircraft with
> which the TSA is concerned" :)
>
>
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[BTIZ]

it's a bad stretch of the photo.. as bad as they write laws, the also are
poor photo editors

BT

"CV" > wrote in message
...
>
> Len wrote:
>> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can keep
>> an eye out for something odd-
>>
>> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
>
> The aircraft in the picture doesn't quite look like a Pawnee
> to me. Is the picture flattened out a bit perhaps or is it
> really some other model ?
>
> CV
>

[Franklin Newton]

It would be nice if the folks who published these alerts would be kind
enough to provide specific information, such as PA 25-150, 235 A, B, C, D,
PA 25-260, extended hopper, Hutcherson conversion full or partial and a
serial number not the Mexican registration, this would let you ID the
airplane clear across the ramp, not just "LOOK A PAWNEE, RUN, RUN you have
30 seconds to impact"(stolen from the we almost took out the Kentucky Gov)
"Len" > wrote in message
...
> Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> keep an eye out for something odd-
>
> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
>
> Len
> PP-SEL

[John Galban]

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message >...
> I think they said that
> there are approx 1 verifiable airplane stolen in Mexico a year
> (usually a 210). My agent says he sees more planes stolen in the U.S.
> with prop locks, locked hangers and wheel locks.
>

There's a simple reason for that. It's much easier for a drug
smuggler to find a suitable Cessna 18x or 2xx (smugglers planes of
choice) at a U.S. airport near the border. Just take it and fly it
over.

Last time I checked, there were about a dozen planes stolen per year
in the U.S. and about 80% were the larger Cessnas stolen from states
on the Mexican border and Florida.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[SelwayKid]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message >...
> "Len" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not trying to be alarmist, just thinking that all of us GA folks can
> > keep an eye out for something odd-
> >
> > http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/advisory.pdf
> >
> > Len
> > PP-SEL
>
> Install hidden security switches to prevent unauthorized startup of
> aircraft???? how could you hide a switch on an airplane wouldn't you need a
> 337 and a description on the switch ware it's going to be placed?

Yes a 337 is required but only the local FAA office has the info as to
the location. Most aerial application aircraft don't require a key to
either get into, or to start. Hidden master switches are quite common
now and especially for the expensive turbine aircraft. Pretty easy to
get in for a million dollars on the newer turbine spray planes.
For the most part security on spray aircraft is pretty tight in that
they are normally on a private strip and strangers stick out like a
sore thumb. A spray plane is not attractive to smugglers because of
its low speed and limited fuel. Most of them get stolen for the
component parts like engine, GPS, SATLOC,or perhaps particular parts
like wings, etc.
In nearly 40 years of crop dusting/spraying worldwide I don't recall
hearing of more than a couple spray planes ever being stolen.
Helicopters are a different story....
Ol Shy & Bashful