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ABE
August 22nd 03, 07:26 PM
Hey

Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
when
I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
nearest I have come
To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
How do you do it ????? : )

Anker B.
Denmark.

Gig Giacona
August 22nd 03, 08:37 PM
There is NO way anyone is going to be able to explain how to hover in a
message on the Internet. What is your instructor telling you?


"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

Lab
August 22nd 03, 08:54 PM
I was also told about that "feeling". It came alltogether somewhere around
10 hours. At the begining of my training I was very stif and imputs were to
strong and unarticulated. It looked like a rodeo.

Good luck!

H.J.
Croatia


"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

Murphy's law
August 22nd 03, 11:58 PM
"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message >...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.

You'll get the feeling after like 6hrs and you'll get the hang of it around 10 hrs.
It ain't gonna happen overnight.
Are you trying to learn to hover by yourself?
A CFI can help you to learn the trick.
After that you fly like a dragonfly.

Walter Hawn
August 23rd 03, 01:24 PM
Hovering's easy. First, you have to understand how the helicopter flies,
what the controls do in that process, what the helicopter you're flying is
doing at that instant, how to redirect the process with minimal control
changes-and be able to make the control adjustments while you evaluate your
situation and the changes just introduced. It's complex mentally and
physically until- it isn't- anymore.
Practice, practice, and more practice. You'll get through it.
Wally

John Zuena
August 23rd 03, 05:37 PM
wrote in news:3f478a4b.690241
@rsnews.rapidsys.com:

....
> The amount of time you have varies depending on the weight of the
> helicopter. The more mass, the easier it is to fly. If you fly a
> fully gased up R22 with a fat instructor and all the instruments, you
> will have an easier time than if you fly with a skinny instructor and
> only a few gallons of fuel. Nevertheless, you shouldn't allow
> yourself to get dependant on that little trick because you will
> eventually have to fly the thing solo.
>
> Lastly, avoid rapid movements of the cyclic. Rapidly jerking it
> around in an attempt to gain control of the heli won't work. It
> generally wont hurt the helicopter, but the way to get control is to
> hold the thing still for a second and then determine what is going
> wrong. Then apply correction. The helicopter does not respond
> instantly so you have to make corrections slow.
>
> I don't have any hard data to prove this, but I really suspect that a
> first time student in their 80's would probably have an easier time
> learning to hover than a 20 year old. Primarily due to slower
> reflexes in the older person. I really don't think that fast reflexes
> are a good thing in helicopters.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Dennis.

Unless your rotor RPM starts to dip and you are pulling lots of
collective... then you want those fast reflexes back (especially in an
R22)

John Z.

Jim
August 23rd 03, 08:47 PM
Hey

You don't just hover, you interpret the dynamics of what is occurring and
once you have done that you then interpret the dynamics of what will occur
and correct for it. You need an open mind for this so forget most of your
fixed wing nature and develop new ones for the helicopter. Read and
understand the dynamics prior to and after each lesson. This will help you
to see what is happening. You should be hovering in a small zone in 5 hours
and within 10 hours you will be holding over an exact spot fairly easy.
Don't concern yourself with just hovering, as your lesson progresses while
learning airspeed control, power management, approaches etc. you will learn
it. Sorry this doesn't explane it exactly but you just can't be told what to
do and be able to do it (in this case). One thing to know is, if someone
else does it, so can you (eventually).

Jim

"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

Mr. MD500
August 23rd 03, 10:07 PM
The best advice I had in learning to hover:

1. Look outside the aircraft at the horizon

2. When thinking of control inputs, think of fingertip pressure rather
than movements.

3. To quote my first instructor, "Stop stirring the damn cyclic!"

Lab
August 24th 03, 02:40 PM
Nedavno sam se prikljucio. Pozdrav.


"KasChinchan" > wrote in message
...
> > I was also told about that "feeling". It came alltogether somewhere
around
> > 10 hours. At the begining of my training I was very stif and imputs were
> to
> > strong and unarticulated. It looked like a rodeo.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > H.J.
> > Croatia
>
> H.J. Croatia , znaci ima nas vise iz HR na ovoj grupi?
>
> Samo pozdrav od Paj-a
>
>

Bart
August 24th 03, 02:57 PM
Most ppl make way too many power changes and way too quickly. Usually
they're behind the machine when they do this too. Since the power
changes require the pilot also make anti-torque and cyclic adjustments
they quickly get into some kind of over-corrective oscillation.

One little trick I learned that seems to help people understand hovering
is to show them that if you set and hold the collective at any given
power setting at a hover and point it into the wind, the helicopter will
just stay at the assigned height +/- a couple feet without any changes
to the collective setting.

Bart



ABE wrote:
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

ABS
August 26th 03, 06:59 PM
"ABE" <hvad@saa> skrev i en meddelelse
k...
> Hey
>
>Thanks for all the answers / comments
It must be the most difficult thing you can do in a helicopter (I hope)
Thanks to all.
Anker
Denmark

Stu Fields
August 30th 03, 05:21 AM
I think that it would be much harder if you get all the controls at one
time. Just the cyclic took me 2hrs. to get the thing to behave. The pedals
didn't add much to the problem or even the collective/ throttle. Just the
dang cyclic. I've since built a little cyclic simulator involving a disc
and a steel ball which helps people understand that they have to anticipate
the movement of the ship and make small corrections. A flight school bought
one of the little simulators for use in their school.
I once gave a neighbor a ride and he tried to hover and of course the thing
took off for an out-of-state zip code and I grabbed it and put it back and
he got on with me and he said: " You are making corrections and I can't
tell why you are doing it" I told him that my butt was telling my hand what
needed to be done. The only way that I know to train the butt is to get
actual seat time in a hovering helicopter.
Stu Fields

"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

Eric Manners
August 31st 03, 10:29 AM
One tip i have found useful is to think of every input on the stick as a
double movement eg when the wind blows you backwards in the hover you need
to move the stick forwards - however if you leave it at that you will move
back to where you were and then go sailing through your original position.
Therefore, in this example, put the forward stick movement in and then take
it out again to prevent the oscillation developing. After much practice you
will only need very small cyclic stick inputs, but each one will be a double
input. Hope this helps. Good luck.
"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

August 31st 03, 02:23 PM
Another thing to remember is that the cyclic is an accelleration
control and not a speed or position control. Move it a little to one
side and hold it and you will accellerate in that direction.

My lawnmower has a similar control, but its a speed control and not an
acceleration control. Its a little strange switching between the two.

Dennis.

"Eric Manners" > wrote:

> One tip i have found useful is to think of every input on the stick as a
> double movement eg when the wind blows you backwards in the hover you need
> to move the stick forwards - however if you leave it at that you will move

Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

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Frederick Wilson
September 4th 03, 03:41 AM
I guess I can put my two cents in too. Don't death grip the cyclic. Just
when you tense up think to your self to relax. Use your finger tips not a
full fist. Keep your arm resting on your leg. You shouldn't need any more
movement than what your wrist will give you.

Fred


"ABE" <hvad@saa> wrote in message
k...
> Hey
>
> Can any one in here tale me, or rather explain to me how to hover ??
> I have tried it in a R22, but it tilt / turned, every time.
> First I hold only the height, then height and pedals and that was OK, but
> when
> I should hold the stick, the helicopter flip. I have asked around, and the
> nearest I have come
> To an explanation was that it is a "feeling" you get after 15 - 20 hours??
> I am a holder of a PPL fixwing, I hope to fly heli. Some day
> How do you do it ????? : )
>
> Anker B.
> Denmark.
>
>
>

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