Airspace

[Eric Greenwell]

In article >,
says...
> Australia is moving to the US airspace management model. This, on the
> face of it, looks to be a good thing. Could any current US pilots who
> are up on this please let us know if you have a transponder veil
> within 40nm of a Class D tower in Class E airspace?

The only veils I know of are around Class B airspace (and only 30 nm)
like Los Angeles and Seattle, as Class D airports have relatively
little traffic. Gliders are exempt from it, also.
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Richland, WA (USA)

[Mike Borgelt]

Australia is moving to the US airspace management model. This, on the
face of it, looks to be a good thing. Could any current US pilots who
are up on this please let us know if you have a transponder veil
within 40nm of a Class D tower in Class E airspace?

Thanks.

Mike Borgelt

[Marc Ramsey]

Mike Borgelt wrote:
> Australia is moving to the US airspace management model.
> This, on the face of it, looks to be a good thing. Could
> any current US pilots who are up on this please let us know
> if you have a transponder veil within 40nm of a Class D
> tower in Class E airspace?

Not that I know of. 30 nm mode C veils are used around Class B
airports. There are apparently a few designated Class C and D airports
that have a 10 nm (or larger) mode C veil, but I've never encountered
one. In any case, gliders and other aircraft without engine driven
electrical systems are not required to have Mode C reporting capability
within veils (but outside of B, C airspace), or from 10000 feet to the
floor of Class A airspace.

Marc

[BTIZ]

the glider and other exemptions for Mode C within the 30nm veil around
ClassB airspace is only for "Below the ceiling of ClassB or 10,000MSL which
ever is LOWER", Las Vegas is one of the very few ClassB areas that stops at
9,000MSL. There is no exemption for between 9,000-10,000MSL in the 30nm veil
at Las Vegas.

BT

"Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Borgelt wrote:
> > Australia is moving to the US airspace management model.
> > This, on the face of it, looks to be a good thing. Could
> > any current US pilots who are up on this please let us know
> > if you have a transponder veil within 40nm of a Class D
> > tower in Class E airspace?
>
> Not that I know of. 30 nm mode C veils are used around Class B
> airports. There are apparently a few designated Class C and D airports
> that have a 10 nm (or larger) mode C veil, but I've never encountered
> one. In any case, gliders and other aircraft without engine driven
> electrical systems are not required to have Mode C reporting capability
> within veils (but outside of B, C airspace), or from 10000 feet to the
> floor of Class A airspace.
>
> Marc
>

[Mike Borgelt]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:20:26 -0700, "BTIZ" >
wrote:

>the glider and other exemptions for Mode C within the 30nm veil around
>ClassB airspace is only for "Below the ceiling of ClassB or 10,000MSL which
>ever is LOWER", Las Vegas is one of the very few ClassB areas that stops at
>9,000MSL. There is no exemption for between 9,000-10,000MSL in the 30nm veil
>at Las Vegas.
>
>BT
>
>"Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
...
>> Mike Borgelt wrote:
>> > Australia is moving to the US airspace management model.
>> > This, on the face of it, looks to be a good thing. Could
>> > any current US pilots who are up on this please let us know
>> > if you have a transponder veil within 40nm of a Class D
>> > tower in Class E airspace?
>>
>> Not that I know of. 30 nm mode C veils are used around Class B
>> airports. There are apparently a few designated Class C and D airports
>> that have a 10 nm (or larger) mode C veil, but I've never encountered
>> one. In any case, gliders and other aircraft without engine driven
>> electrical systems are not required to have Mode C reporting capability
>> within veils (but outside of B, C airspace), or from 10000 feet to the
>> floor of Class A airspace.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
Thanks guys. I'll ask the guy in charge of the airspace reform to
comment.

While we are at it does anyone fly near a US Army helicopter training
operation?
Is the airspace usd for training a Restricted area while active. Or
just an MOA?
Can you fly through it VFR without a clearance?

Thanks

Mike Borgelt

[Eric Greenwell]

In article >,
says...
> While we are at it does anyone fly near a US Army helicopter training
> operation?
> Is the airspace usd for training a Restricted area while active. Or
> just an MOA?

I don't know specifically about areas helicopters, but there are both
kinds of airspace, of course. The Restricted areas can be active for
varying times and to various altitudes, and include helicopter use,
depending on the particular area. Our closest one is usually inactive
on weekends, and sometimes is active "surface to 5000" (for example),
so we can fly over it when cloudbase is higher than that. Or much
worse: surface to FL180.

> Can you fly through it VFR without a clearance?

MOAs - yes. Some areas, like Nevada, it's a good idea to find out what
exactly is happening, but here in Washington State, the density is
much lower, so I've never seen a military aircraft.

>

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