Endorsement required for CFIG written?

[Gregg Ballou]

Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
endorsement to take the CFIG written?
Thanks,
GB

[ADP]

You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1

Allan

"Gregg Ballou" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> Thanks,
> GB

[ADP]

And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)


"ADP" > wrote in message
...
> You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1
>
> Allan
>
> "Gregg Ballou" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> > year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> > endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> > Thanks,
> > GB
>
>

[Tony Verhulst]

ADP wrote:
> And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)
>
>>You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1

These regs say that the applicant does not have to conform to FAR
61.185(a)(1) - which is esentially the FOI (Fundementals Of Instructing)
only.

When a local FAA inspector went for his CFIG (he already was CFI
everything else) he said that he had to take a short (25 question)
knowledge test pertaining to gliders only. He should know.

I'm still searching the regs on this. FARs are written by lawyers for
lawyers.

Tony V.

[ADP]

Ah Todd, there you go again.
Since it has been 40 or more years since I took any written for my
Instructor rating, I suppose things could have changed.
Having added multiple endorsements to my instructors certificate without any
written exam, (dare I use the word assume?) I assumed that the rules were
still the same.
I guess I'll just have to turn in my certificate until I can take the
multiple written exams now required.
Woe is me!

Allan


"Todd Pattist" > wrote in message
...
> "ADP" > wrote:
>
> >And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)
> >> You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1
>
> 61.191(b) says he "is not required to pass the knowledge
> test on the areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part."
>
> 61.183(e)(1) says he must "Pass a knowledge test on the
> areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part, unless the
> applicant: (1) Holds a flight instructor certificate"
>
> Both are specific only to 61.185(a)(1) and that's only the
> Fundamentals Of Instructing part.
>
> 61.183(f) says he must "(f) Pass a knowledge test on the
> aeronautical knowledge areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(2) and
> (a)(3) of this part that are appropriate to the flight
> instructor rating sought;"
>
> Todd Pattist - "WH" Ventus C
> (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)

[ADP]

I have had to take short "unofficial: written tests as part of the "oral"
before a practical test. This doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If someone
can demonstrate an "official" written that is required before one can take
the practical test, I would appreciate the reference. (Given the condition
that one already has some sort of Flight Instructor rating)

Allan

"Tony Verhulst" > wrote in message
...
> ADP wrote:
> > And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)
> >
> >>You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1
>
> These regs say that the applicant does not have to conform to FAR
> 61.185(a)(1) - which is esentially the FOI (Fundementals Of Instructing)
> only.
>
> When a local FAA inspector went for his CFIG (he already was CFI
> everything else) he said that he had to take a short (25 question)
> knowledge test pertaining to gliders only. He should know.
>
> I'm still searching the regs on this. FARs are written by lawyers for
> lawyers.
>
> Tony V.
>
>

[Michael]

(Gregg Ballou) wrote
> Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> endorsement to take the CFIG written?

You do not. The relevant regulation is:

61.183 Eligibility requirements.
To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a person
must:
(d) Receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor on the
fundamentals of instructing listed in 61.185 of this part appropriate
to the
required knowledge test;
(e) Pass a knowledge test on the areas listed in 61.185(a)(1) of this
part,
unless the applicant:
(1) Holds a flight instructor certificate or ground instructor
certificate
issued under this part;
(f) Pass a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed
in
61.185(a)(2) and (a)(3) of this part that are appropriate to the
flight
instructor rating sought;

Note that the requirement for endorsement (d) covers only the FOI, and
(e)(1) exempts you from that. There is no requirement for an
endorsement to take the subject area test specified in (f).

Since you already hold a CFIH, you will only need to take a brief 25
question test specific to gliders.

Michael

[BTIZ]

never base assumptions on a 40yr old history or memory..

LOL

I just went through that same argument with another 50yr old memory..

But, you need to retake the FOI, you will need to complete the Commercial
and CFIG check rides... and "I gotta go look this one up", the transition to
"other aircraft" only counts when transitioning from AIRPLANE to other
categories.

So you "may" need to take the Commercial Glider written, but you WILL need
to take the Glider Instructor written (not the FOI).

Todd had all the FARs referenced

BT




"ADP" > wrote in message
...
> Ah Todd, there you go again.
> Since it has been 40 or more years since I took any written for my
> Instructor rating, I suppose things could have changed.
> Having added multiple endorsements to my instructors certificate without
any
> written exam, (dare I use the word assume?) I assumed that the rules were
> still the same.
> I guess I'll just have to turn in my certificate until I can take the
> multiple written exams now required.
> Woe is me!
>
> Allan
>
>
> "Todd Pattist" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "ADP" > wrote:
> >
> > >And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)
> > >> You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1
> >
> > 61.191(b) says he "is not required to pass the knowledge
> > test on the areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part."
> >
> > 61.183(e)(1) says he must "Pass a knowledge test on the
> > areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part, unless the
> > applicant: (1) Holds a flight instructor certificate"
> >
> > Both are specific only to 61.185(a)(1) and that's only the
> > Fundamentals Of Instructing part.
> >
> > 61.183(f) says he must "(f) Pass a knowledge test on the
> > aeronautical knowledge areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(2) and
> > (a)(3) of this part that are appropriate to the flight
> > instructor rating sought;"
> >
> > Todd Pattist - "WH" Ventus C
> > (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)
>
>

[BTIZ]

and he will need to first take a Commercial Glider check ride..
before the CFIG practical... there are some places that will give both rides
the same day.. but some FSDOs argue not to do that.

BT

"Michael" > wrote in message
om...
> (Gregg Ballou) wrote
> > Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> > year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> > endorsement to take the CFIG written?
>
> You do not. The relevant regulation is:
>
> 61.183 Eligibility requirements.
> To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a person
> must:
> (d) Receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor on the
> fundamentals of instructing listed in 61.185 of this part appropriate
> to the
> required knowledge test;
> (e) Pass a knowledge test on the areas listed in 61.185(a)(1) of this
> part,
> unless the applicant:
> (1) Holds a flight instructor certificate or ground instructor
> certificate
> issued under this part;
> (f) Pass a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed
> in
> 61.185(a)(2) and (a)(3) of this part that are appropriate to the
> flight
> instructor rating sought;
>
> Note that the requirement for endorsement (d) covers only the FOI, and
> (e)(1) exempts you from that. There is no requirement for an
> endorsement to take the subject area test specified in (f).
>
> Since you already hold a CFIH, you will only need to take a brief 25
> question test specific to gliders.
>
> Michael

[ADP]

He has a Commercial glider. His question was "Does he need an endorsement
to take any written." My answer is no.

LQ

Allan

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:%o1Ob.33406$zs4.4061@fed1read01...
> and he will need to first take a Commercial Glider check ride..
> before the CFIG practical... there are some places that will give both
rides
> the same day.. but some FSDOs argue not to do that.
>
> BT
>
> "Michael" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (Gregg Ballou) wrote
> > > Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> > > year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> > > endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> >
> > You do not. The relevant regulation is:
>

[BTIZ]

correction.. DO NOT NEED to retake the FOI..

even the phingers don't type what the mind states..

BT

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:In1Ob.33395$zs4.26865@fed1read01...
> never base assumptions on a 40yr old history or memory..
>
> LOL
>
> I just went through that same argument with another 50yr old memory..
>
> But, you need to retake the FOI, you will need to complete the Commercial
> and CFIG check rides... and "I gotta go look this one up", the transition
to
> "other aircraft" only counts when transitioning from AIRPLANE to other
> categories.
>
> So you "may" need to take the Commercial Glider written, but you WILL need
> to take the Glider Instructor written (not the FOI).
>
> Todd had all the FARs referenced
>
> BT
>
>
>
>
> "ADP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ah Todd, there you go again.
> > Since it has been 40 or more years since I took any written for my
> > Instructor rating, I suppose things could have changed.
> > Having added multiple endorsements to my instructors certificate without
> any
> > written exam, (dare I use the word assume?) I assumed that the rules
were
> > still the same.
> > I guess I'll just have to turn in my certificate until I can take the
> > multiple written exams now required.
> > Woe is me!
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> > "Todd Pattist" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "ADP" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >And 14 CFR 61.191 (b)
> > > >> You don't need to take the written! 14 CFR 61.183(e)1
> > >
> > > 61.191(b) says he "is not required to pass the knowledge
> > > test on the areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part."
> > >
> > > 61.183(e)(1) says he must "Pass a knowledge test on the
> > > areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(1) of this part, unless the
> > > applicant: (1) Holds a flight instructor certificate"
> > >
> > > Both are specific only to 61.185(a)(1) and that's only the
> > > Fundamentals Of Instructing part.
> > >
> > > 61.183(f) says he must "(f) Pass a knowledge test on the
> > > aeronautical knowledge areas listed in Sec. 61.185(a)(2) and
> > > (a)(3) of this part that are appropriate to the flight
> > > instructor rating sought;"
> > >
> > > Todd Pattist - "WH" Ventus C
> > > (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)
> >
> >
>
>

[BTIZ]

ahh.. ok.. back to the original post..

BT

"ADP" > wrote in message
...
> He has a Commercial glider. His question was "Does he need an endorsement
> to take any written." My answer is no.
>
> LQ
>
> Allan
>
> "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> news:%o1Ob.33406$zs4.4061@fed1read01...
> > and he will need to first take a Commercial Glider check ride..
> > before the CFIG practical... there are some places that will give both
> rides
> > the same day.. but some FSDOs argue not to do that.
> >
> > BT
> >
> > "Michael" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > (Gregg Ballou) wrote
> > > > Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime
this
> > > > year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> > > > endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> > >
> > > You do not. The relevant regulation is:
> >
>
>

[ADP]

Those dogone phingers...


"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:%D3Ob.34458$zs4.27702@fed1read01...
> ahh.. ok.. back to the original post..
>
> BT
>
> "ADP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > He has a Commercial glider. His question was "Does he need an
endorsement
> > to take any written." My answer is no.
> >
> > LQ
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> > news:%o1Ob.33406$zs4.4061@fed1read01...
> > > and he will need to first take a Commercial Glider check ride..
> > > before the CFIG practical... there are some places that will give both
> > rides
> > > the same day.. but some FSDOs argue not to do that.
> > >
> > > BT
> > >
> > > "Michael" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > (Gregg Ballou) wrote
> > > > > Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime
> this
> > > > > year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> > > > > endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> > > >
> > > > You do not. The relevant regulation is:
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Brian Case]

I did this about 5 years ago. I had CFIA and Private Glider.

Only had to take 25 question CFIG Knowledge Test, No endorsement
required. I got one anyway it was just easier.

One Practical Test with an FAA Examiner for Both Commercial and CFIG.
Appropriate endorsements required for both ratings.

Brian Case
CFIIG/ASEL


(Gregg Ballou) wrote in message >...
> Hi all. I currently have a CFIH and commercial glider, sometime this
> year I would like to get my CFIG. Question is do I need an
> endorsement to take the CFIG written?
> Thanks,
> GB

[Gregg Ballou]

Thanks everyone. I've ordered the asa question book.
GB