Soaring Flight Computer Comparison - Help needed

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.

As you may know, I am a dealer for Cambridge Aero Instruments, and I sell
and support Glide Navigator II software. I have never flown with anything
other than Cambridge products, so I need your help to make my presentation
correct.

I have already done a lot of research on the web. I have updated my
"Soaring Flight Computer Comparison" spreadsheet as a starting point for the
presentation. I would greatly appreciate any specific feedback you can
offer to help me complete and correct the spreadsheet. It is available at:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Comparison.pdf

I would also appreciate 1st hand feedback on the flight computer system you
fly with. I'm looking for quotes for the presentation. I'd love quotes
like, "I love the thermal strength vs. altitude graph in my SN-10". I will
only use your name if you tell me it is OK to do so.

This newsgroup is a great connection to soaring pilots with vast experience
with various flight computer systems. I would greatly appreciate your help.

You can reply to this newsgroup, or to me directly.

Thank you,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

[Jack]

On 1/28/04 4:56 PM, in article P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02, "Paul
Remde" > wrote:



> I have already done a lot of research on the web. I have updated my
> "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison" spreadsheet as a starting point for the
> presentation. I would greatly appreciate any specific feedback you can
> offer to help me complete and correct the spreadsheet.

> It is available at:

> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Comparison.
> pdf

Link's no good, Paul.

Please take the spaces out of the URL in your page upload.


-------
Jack
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[Paul Remde]

Hi Jack,

The link works for me if I make sure to copy all the text. I see that the
"pdf" wrapped to the next line below.

You can access the file by going to
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com and clicking on the link to the Soaring
Flight Computer Comparison. It is just above all the product images near
the bottom of the page.

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"Jack" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/28/04 4:56 PM, in article P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02, "Paul
> Remde" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have already done a lot of research on the web. I have updated my
> > "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison" spreadsheet as a starting point for
the
> > presentation. I would greatly appreciate any specific feedback you can
> > offer to help me complete and correct the spreadsheet.
>
> > It is available at:
>
> >
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Comparison.
> > pdf
>
> Link's no good, Paul.
>
> Please take the spaces out of the URL in your page upload.
>
>
> -------
> Jack
> -------
>
>
>

[Jack]

On 1/28/04 6:06 PM, in article u8YRb.172392$I06.1713720@attbi_s01, "Paul
Remde" > wrote:


> The link works for me if I make sure to copy all the text. I see that the
> "pdf" wrapped to the next line below.
>
> You can access the file by going to
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com and clicking on the link to the Soaring
> Flight Computer Comparison. It is just above all the product images near
> the bottom of the page.


I did just that, Paul. The wrap is not a problem, as I rectified that before
my initial attempt. Here's the link I dragged from your web page, and it
won't work for me even right from the home page itself.

http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Comparison
..pdf

Maybe it's my CPU/sw combination, but others seem to work OK, so I have no
remaining clue. Thanks for following up.

I look forward to reading your comparison, since I won't be at the
convention and I am in the market for that sort of equipment.


-------
Jack
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[ADP]

Link works fine, try this:
www.soarmn.com/cumulus/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Comparison.pdf


Allan


"Jack" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/28/04 6:06 PM, in article u8YRb.172392$I06.1713720@attbi_s01, "Paul
> Remde" > wrote:
>
>
> > The link works for me if I make sure to copy all the text. I see that
the
> > "pdf" wrapped to the next line below.
> >

[Andy Durbin]

"Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02>...
> Hi,
>
> I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
> topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
> unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.


Paul,

Your spread sheet includes "Turn Area Task Support" yes/no. I don't
thnk a yes/no answer is useful. There are many factors that have to
be considered when judging how well a a particular system supports
area tasks. Two key issues are 1. the accuracy of the estimated time
to complete task considering current winds, and 2. the ease of
switching to the next leg and updating the current area turn point.

Given the popularity of area tasks at regional and national level in
USA, the quality of support for area tasks may be key discriminator in
selecting a system.


Andy

[Shawn Curry]

> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02>...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
>>topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
>>unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.
>
>
Paul,

I wonder if you could add the combination of Borgelt B50, Soaring Pilot,
and any GPS? I think this might be a really good, budget setup, but it
would be nice to see a comparison. Thanks

Cheaply Yours,
Shawn

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I agree that turnpoint area task support is not a simple yes/no statement,
but I'm not sure how to make the spreadsheet address any differences.
Certainly this is a matter of opinion. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"Andy Durbin" > wrote in message
om...
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
> > topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
> > unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Your spread sheet includes "Turn Area Task Support" yes/no. I don't
> thnk a yes/no answer is useful. There are many factors that have to
> be considered when judging how well a a particular system supports
> area tasks. Two key issues are 1. the accuracy of the estimated time
> to complete task considering current winds, and 2. the ease of
> switching to the next leg and updating the current area turn point.
>
> Given the popularity of area tasks at regional and national level in
> USA, the quality of support for area tasks may be key discriminator in
> selecting a system.
>
>
> Andy

[Paul Remde]

I will add that combination to the spreadsheet.

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> > "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02>...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
> >>topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
> >>unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.
> >
> >
> Paul,
>
> I wonder if you could add the combination of Borgelt B50, Soaring Pilot,
> and any GPS? I think this might be a really good, budget setup, but it
> would be nice to see a comparison. Thanks
>
> Cheaply Yours,
> Shawn

[303pilot]

CEGlide isn't included http://www.ccsi.com/~inadas/ . I've used CEGlide
connected to a $95 Garmin, to a Volkslogger, and now to a Cambridge.
Because the polar formula is constructed from as many points along the curve
as you want/can define, I believe the speed to fly information is better in
CEGlide. I nailed a 40nm final glide in a PW5 using CEGlide, so you know
the gravity polarity reversal feature works right too ;-)

Brent
"Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02...
> Hi,
>
> I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
> topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
> unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.
>
> As you may know, I am a dealer for Cambridge Aero Instruments, and I sell
> and support Glide Navigator II software. I have never flown with anything
> other than Cambridge products, so I need your help to make my presentation
> correct.
>
> I have already done a lot of research on the web. I have updated my
> "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison" spreadsheet as a starting point for
the
> presentation. I would greatly appreciate any specific feedback you can
> offer to help me complete and correct the spreadsheet. It is available
at:
>
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Compariso
n.pdf
>
> I would also appreciate 1st hand feedback on the flight computer system
you
> fly with. I'm looking for quotes for the presentation. I'd love quotes
> like, "I love the thermal strength vs. altitude graph in my SN-10". I
will
> only use your name if you tell me it is OK to do so.
>
> This newsgroup is a great connection to soaring pilots with vast
experience
> with various flight computer systems. I would greatly appreciate your
help.
>
> You can reply to this newsgroup, or to me directly.
>
> Thank you,
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I just added CEGlide, and a few other software solutions.

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"303pilot" <brentUNDERSCOREsullivanATbmcDOTcom> wrote in message
...
> CEGlide isn't included http://www.ccsi.com/~inadas/ . I've used CEGlide
> connected to a $95 Garmin, to a Volkslogger, and now to a Cambridge.
> Because the polar formula is constructed from as many points along the
curve
> as you want/can define, I believe the speed to fly information is better
in
> CEGlide. I nailed a 40nm final glide in a PW5 using CEGlide, so you know
> the gravity polarity reversal feature works right too ;-)
>
> Brent
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:P6XRb.175449$xy6.819757@attbi_s02...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I will be giving a talk at the SSA convention at 1 PM on Thursday on the
> > topic "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison". I am determined to give an
> > unbiased look at all the available flight computer/logger systems.
> >
> > As you may know, I am a dealer for Cambridge Aero Instruments, and I
sell
> > and support Glide Navigator II software. I have never flown with
anything
> > other than Cambridge products, so I need your help to make my
presentation
> > correct.
> >
> > I have already done a lot of research on the web. I have updated my
> > "Soaring Flight Computer Comparison" spreadsheet as a starting point for
> the
> > presentation. I would greatly appreciate any specific feedback you can
> > offer to help me complete and correct the spreadsheet. It is available
> at:
> >
>
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/files/Soaring%20Flight%20Computer%20Compariso
> n.pdf
> >
> > I would also appreciate 1st hand feedback on the flight computer system
> you
> > fly with. I'm looking for quotes for the presentation. I'd love quotes
> > like, "I love the thermal strength vs. altitude graph in my SN-10". I
> will
> > only use your name if you tell me it is OK to do so.
> >
> > This newsgroup is a great connection to soaring pilots with vast
> experience
> > with various flight computer systems. I would greatly appreciate your
> help.
> >
> > You can reply to this newsgroup, or to me directly.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> >
> >
>
>