TSA logic

[arketipp]

It was not the TSA's finest hour but at least they followed their own
rules -- according to the TSA. A woman was barred from a Mesa Airlines
flight from Phoenix to San Diego on Thursday after she allegedly told a
screener that the TSA "couldn't find a bomb [in her bag] if there was
one." While the woman was detained, the bag was put on the flight, where
it traveled uneventfully to San Diego -- uneventfully, that is, until
arrival. At Lindbergh field, the plane was evacuated, the passengers and
crew were delayed for debriefing and the (previously cleared) luggage
was extricated from the aircraft and blown up (not of its own accord).
It was all by the book, according to the TSA's Nico Melendez. "If a bag
is cleared by TSA, is it OK, under current regulations, to fly without
the passenger on the plane." "... All procedures were followed in this
case," he said in an e-mail to the Arizona Republic. The passenger, a
New Jersey psychiatrist, was questioned (and later released, taking a
later flight) as the bag made its way to San Diego, where the plane
taxied to an isolated area of the airport and passengers were ordered
off without their coats and carry-ons while authorities found Koshnu's
luggage and blew it up. ... How was your day?


From Avflash

[Morgans]

"arketipp" > wrote in message
...
> It was not the TSA's finest hour but at least they followed their own
> rules -- according to the TSA. A woman was barred from a Mesa Airlines
> flight from Phoenix to San Diego on Thursday after she allegedly told a
> screener that the TSA "couldn't find a bomb [in her bag] if there was
> one." While the woman was detained, the bag was put on the flight, where
> it traveled uneventfully to San Diego -- uneventfully, that is, until
> arrival.

Incredible. Does anyone in the TSA have a brain?
--
Jim in NC

[Entelechy Happens]

Almost enough to make you think Alex Jones and his Patriot Media blitz
are on to something.

http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html
http://www.patriot-media.net/

Now to define "almost" for the record ...


Morgans wrote:
> "arketipp" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>It was not the TSA's finest hour but at least they followed their own
>>rules -- according to the TSA. A woman was barred from a Mesa Airlines
>>flight from Phoenix to San Diego on Thursday after she allegedly told a
>>screener that the TSA "couldn't find a bomb [in her bag] if there was
>>one." While the woman was detained, the bag was put on the flight, where
>>it traveled uneventfully to San Diego -- uneventfully, that is, until
>>arrival.
>
>
> Incredible. Does anyone in the TSA have a brain?

[kontiki]

I don't know about you guys but I feel safer.

[Blueskies]

"arketipp" > wrote in message ...
> It was not the TSA's finest hour but at least they followed their own
> rules -- according to the TSA. A woman was barred from a Mesa Airlines
> flight from Phoenix to San Diego on Thursday after she allegedly told a
> screener that the TSA "couldn't find a bomb [in her bag] if there was
> one." While the woman was detained, the bag was put on the flight, where
> it traveled uneventfully to San Diego -- uneventfully, that is, until
> arrival. At Lindbergh field, the plane was evacuated, the passengers and
> crew were delayed for debriefing and the (previously cleared) luggage
> was extricated from the aircraft and blown up (not of its own accord).
> It was all by the book, according to the TSA's Nico Melendez. "If a bag
> is cleared by TSA, is it OK, under current regulations, to fly without
> the passenger on the plane." "... All procedures were followed in this
> case," he said in an e-mail to the Arizona Republic. The passenger, a
> New Jersey psychiatrist, was questioned (and later released, taking a
> later flight) as the bag made its way to San Diego, where the plane
> taxied to an isolated area of the airport and passengers were ordered
> off without their coats and carry-ons while authorities found Koshnu's
> luggage and blew it up. ... How was your day?
>
>
> From Avflash

Is the airline now responsible for replacing the bag and contents?

[Thomas Borchert]

Arketipp,

your subject line is one of the king oxymorons of the post-9/11 era. So
what do you expect?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Andrew Gideon]

Blueskies wrote:

> Is the airline now responsible for replacing the bag and contents?

I hope the victim sues the TSA and gets huge amounts of publicity.

Or perhaps the people on the flight with the bag that the TSA obviously
believed unsafe enough to destroy should be taking the TSA losers to
court...or at least the court of public opinion.

- Andrew

[Peter Duniho]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> Blueskies wrote:
>
>> Is the airline now responsible for replacing the bag and contents?
>
> I hope the victim sues the TSA and gets huge amounts of publicity.

Probably won't get very far, since she's the one who mentioned "bomb" to
security people. Even though the TSA actions were clearly vindictive,
rather than addressing any real security risk.

> Or perhaps the people on the flight with the bag that the TSA obviously
> believed unsafe enough to destroy should be taking the TSA losers to
> court...or at least the court of public opinion.

Now *that* seems like a good tack. It's absurd that the TSA rules were not
followed closely enough to avoid "endangering" the flight in the first
place. How blowing the bag up after the fact addresses the TSA's own
failure is beyond me.

The whole thing is stupid, but I would be surprised if there are any
repurcussions to the TSA. They have a blank check to screw whomever they
want. Welcome to the post-9/11 "Land of the Used to be Free".

Pete

[Joe Johnson]

"arketipp" > wrote in message
...
> It was not the TSA's finest hour

<snip>

> From Avflash

I cannot find this on the mainstream press in either Phoenix or San Diego.
Do you have a corroborating source?

[Icebound]

"Joe Johnson" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "arketipp" > wrote in message
> ...
>> It was not the TSA's finest hour
>
> <snip>
>
>> From Avflash
>
> I cannot find this on the mainstream press in either Phoenix or San Diego.
> Do you have a corroborating source?
>
>


http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Peter Duniho > posted:

> "Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
> online.com...
>> Blueskies wrote:
>>
>>> Is the airline now responsible for replacing the bag and contents?
>>
>> I hope the victim sues the TSA and gets huge amounts of publicity.
>
> Probably won't get very far, since she's the one who mentioned "bomb"
> to security people. Even though the TSA actions were clearly
> vindictive, rather than addressing any real security risk.
>
If they had retained her *and* her bag, then blown up the bag at their
site, that would be one thing. Their decision to ship the bag could be
seen as an admission on their part that they *knew* the bag was harmless.
So, why wouldn't something so obvious to us be able to be successfully
pursued by a lawyer?

>> Or perhaps the people on the flight with the bag that the TSA
>> obviously believed unsafe enough to destroy should be taking the TSA
>> losers to court...or at least the court of public opinion.
>
> Now *that* seems like a good tack. It's absurd that the TSA rules
> were not followed closely enough to avoid "endangering" the flight in
> the first place. How blowing the bag up after the fact addresses the
> TSA's own failure is beyond me.
>
I'd think that comprehending how this helped is beyond any rational
person. So, perhaps both the individual who lost her bag *and* the
passengers on the plane have a grievance that could, at the very least,
get some heads to roll.

> The whole thing is stupid, but I would be surprised if there are any
> repurcussions to the TSA. They have a blank check to screw whomever
> they want. Welcome to the post-9/11 "Land of the Used to be Free".
>
The TSA may not suffer any consequences, but TSA employees might.
Unfortunately, given the way media works, we're not likely to find out one
way or the other.

Regards,

Neil

[Andrew Gideon]

Icebound wrote:


> http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc

This claims she made a threat. That's not the same thing as complaining
that the TSA couldn't find a bomb in a bag if it had a grandfather clock
for a timer.

[Okay, so I embellished upon the complaint a bit.]

- Andrew

[Joe Johnson]

"Icebound" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Joe Johnson" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> > I cannot find this on the mainstream press in either Phoenix or San
Diego.
> > Do you have a corroborating source?
> >
> >
>
>
> http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc
>
Thanks!

Wonder why this isn't being trumpeted by the national press? Moronic,
vindictive behavior by a government agency can truly become dangerous.

[Joe Johnson]

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc

doesn't say the bag was blown up...

[Peter Duniho]

"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
m...
> [...]
> So, why wouldn't something so obvious to us be able to be successfully
> pursued by a lawyer?

Because that's the world we live in these days. You can thank all the
clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took away
their rights, in the name of "security".

Pete

[Icebound]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> Icebound wrote:
>
>
>> http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc
>
> This claims she made a threat. That's not the same thing as complaining
> that the TSA couldn't find a bomb in a bag if it had a grandfather clock
> for a timer.
>

I doubt they would have let her go so quickly if it was a threat.

[Icebound]

"Joe Johnson" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2969315&nav=HMO5WYpc
>
> doesn't say the bag was blown up...
>
>

This one does, but I don't know if it can be called "mainstream press". They
attribute the "bag blown up" part to a "City News Service" report, but can't
find that report independently:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42930

[Joe Johnson]

"Icebound" > wrote in message
...
>
> This one does, but I don't know if it can be called "mainstream press".
They
> attribute the "bag blown up" part to a "City News Service" report, but
can't
> find that report independently:
> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42930
>
Thanks for digging, Icebound. To me, the outrageousness of the story rests
on on the bag being blown up. The rest is not a big deal.

[Dan Girellini]

"Joe Johnson" > writes:

> "Icebound" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> This one does, but I don't know if it can be called "mainstream press". They
>> attribute the "bag blown up" part to a "City News Service" report, but can't
>> find that report independently:
>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42930
>>
> Thanks for digging, Icebound. To me, the outrageousness of the story rests
> on on the bag being blown up. The rest is not a big deal.

Do a google news search now...

<http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/4210183/detail.html>


D.

[Jose]

> Authorities in Phoenix said Khoshnu is not going to be charged with a crime but that she may have to pay for the search and destruction of her luggage, which could cost about $10,000.

How's that for revenge!

Jose
--
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[Morgans]

"Peter Duniho wrote

> You can thank all the
> clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took away
> their rights, in the name of "security".
>
> Pete
>

So Pete, exactly what did *you * do, to try and prevent the guberment from
taking away your, or our rights? List them all, please.
--
Jim in NC

[Dave Stadt]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Duniho wrote
>
> > You can thank all the
> > clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took away
> > their rights, in the name of "security".
> >
> > Pete
> >
>
> So Pete, exactly what did *you * do, to try and prevent the guberment from
> taking away your, or our rights? List them all, please.
> --
> Jim in NC

He attended a Ward Churchill talk.

[Joe Johnson]

"Dan Girellini" > wrote in message
...
> "Joe Johnson" > writes:
>
<snip>
>
> > Thanks for digging, Icebound. To me, the outrageousness of the story
rests
> > on on the bag being blown up. The rest is not a big deal.
>
> Do a google news search now...
>
> <http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/4210183/detail.html>
>
Thanks, Dan. That's pretty crazy. I think the psychiatrist should turn
around and declare that the TSA types are mentally incompetent, and have
them institutionalized.

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:45:45 GMT, Jose >
wrote in >::

>> Authorities in Phoenix said Khoshnu is not going to be charged with
>a crime but that she may have to pay for the search and destruction
>of her luggage, which could cost about $10,000.
>
>How's that for revenge!

.... Esha Khoshnu, is a psychiatrist from New Jersey. According to
Alpha Behavioral Care's Web site, Khoshnu is a Yale-educated
psychiatrist who has special training in "crisis intervention."

See her luggage explode on live TV:
http://cf.nbcsandiego.com/dgo/sh/videoplayer/video.cfm?id=4209659&owner=dgo

Note TSA's violation of their own regulations at the end of the video
clip. So TSA's revenge only serves to advertise their own
shortcomings publicly. Brilliant!

[Morgans]

Pete, we're still waiting. Tell us all what you did to help prevent the
government from taking away your rights. You have had time to reply, by
now, surely. A list will be fine.

Shoot, just name one thing you did, so we can all help prevent our rights
from being taken away.
--
Jim in NC
"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Duniho wrote
>
> > You can thank all the
> > clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took away
> > their rights, in the name of "security".
> >
> > Pete
> >
>
> So Pete, exactly what did *you * do, to try and prevent the guberment from
> taking away your, or our rights? List them all, please.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

[Eclipsme]

Don't know about Pete, but I have written congressmen, etc., taken part in
demonstrations in our local town talked to people about the situation, and
definitely didn't vote for Bush!

Just my 2 cents. I shall sit down now...

Back to aviation.

Harvey

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
> Pete, we're still waiting. Tell us all what you did to help prevent the
> government from taking away your rights. You have had time to reply, by
> now, surely. A list will be fine.
>
> Shoot, just name one thing you did, so we can all help prevent our rights
> from being taken away.
> --
> Jim in NC
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Peter Duniho wrote
> >
> > > You can thank all the
> > > clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took
away
> > > their rights, in the name of "security".
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> >
> > So Pete, exactly what did *you * do, to try and prevent the guberment
from
> > taking away your, or our rights? List them all, please.
> > --
> > Jim in NC
> >
> >
>
>

[W P Dixon]

Now that's strange!
Myself I wrote my Congressmen to vote against The Patriot Act, also to
close the borders of this nation,...because if we do that we probably won't
need things like the The Patriot Act. And I most definitely did not vote for
the pinko commie Kerry and his condescending elitest wife.

Now back to aviation!
Patrick
"Eclipsme" > wrote in message
. ..
> Don't know about Pete, but I have written congressmen, etc., taken part in
> demonstrations in our local town talked to people about the situation, and
> definitely didn't vote for Bush!
>
> Just my 2 cents. I shall sit down now...
>
> Back to aviation.
>
> Harvey
>
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pete, we're still waiting. Tell us all what you did to help prevent the
>> government from taking away your rights. You have had time to reply, by
>> now, surely. A list will be fine.
>>
>> Shoot, just name one thing you did, so we can all help prevent our rights
>> from being taken away.
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>> "Morgans" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Peter Duniho wrote
>> >
>> > > You can thank all the
>> > > clueless Americans who willingly stood by while the government took
> away
>> > > their rights, in the name of "security".
>> > >
>> > > Pete
>> > >
>> >
>> > So Pete, exactly what did *you * do, to try and prevent the guberment
> from
>> > taking away your, or our rights? List them all, please.
>> > --
>> > Jim in NC
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Eclipsme" > wrote in message
. ..
> Don't know about Pete, but I have written congressmen, etc., taken part in
> demonstrations in our local town talked to people about the situation, and
> definitely didn't vote for Bush!

Likewise, on all counts and plenty more. I'm not going to post an essay on
"what I did the last three and a half years". Suffice to say, I do more
than just complain here in this newsgroup.

Not like I feel any obligation to even say that much. I don't have to
justify myself to my critics, least of all those whose posts I don't even
see. :)

Pete

[Morgans]

"Eclipsme" > wrote in message
. ..
> Don't know about Pete, but I have written congressmen, etc., taken part in
> demonstrations in our local town talked to people about the situation, and
> definitely didn't vote for Bush!
>
> Just my 2 cents. I shall sit down now...
>
> Back to aviation.
>
> Harvey

That is a start, so good job. Just remember, though, the President is not
the one making the asinine rules.
--
Jim in NC

[Blueskies]

"Morgans" > wrote in message ...

> That is a start, so good job. Just remember, though, the President is not
> the one making the asinine rules.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

That's right, he simply recommends and approves them.

[Morgans]

"Blueskies" wrote : more anti Bush retoric.

Sorry, I'm not authorized to meddle into politics, in a forum that will
produce no answers, and influence nobody. Your time, if you want to waste
it.

Please notice that no insults were issued.
--
Jim in NC

[Blueskies]

"Morgans" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Blueskies" wrote : more anti Bush retoric.
>
> Sorry, I'm not authorized to meddle into politics, in a forum that will
> produce no answers, and influence nobody. Your time, if you want to waste
> it.
>
> Please notice that no insults were issued.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

Indeed no insults, and also not pointing at any particular president. It seems that none in office truly want to take
responsibility...