Flying out of JFK

[Chuck]

Hi,
I will be flying out of JFK on 18 April at 400P and returning to JFK on
30 April at 725P. I'm thinking of flying my Archer from Cleveland to
somewhere in the area (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha) and
leaving her there for the couple of weeks. Any suggestions will be
appriciated. I will probably plan to spend the night of the 30th and
fly back on 1 May. Hotel suggestion near where the Archer will be
staying. Suggested transportation from Archer to JFK.
Thanks to all.

Chuck

[Ron Garret]

In article . com>,
"Chuck" > wrote:

> (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha)

Why "ha ha"? I flew (actually was flown) into JFK once in a Comanche to
catch a flight to Europe. Aside from having to know what you're doing,
it wasn't a particularly big deal. (It was pretty darn cool though.)

rg

[George Patterson]

Ron Garret wrote:
>
> In article . com>,
> "Chuck" > wrote:
>
> > (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha)
>
> Why "ha ha"? I flew (actually was flown) into JFK once in a Comanche to
> catch a flight to Europe. Aside from having to know what you're doing,
> it wasn't a particularly big deal. (It was pretty darn cool though.)

If you left your plane there for two weeks (as Chuck is planning to do), then
you have way more money than sense. Or I guess that should be "had."

That's why the "ha ha."

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[Ray Bengen]

Republic nearby, KFRG, has lots of options and not too far from Kennedy.
Catch a Super Shuttle or a cab.

Ray

On 14 Mar 2005 14:43:48 -0800, Chuck > wrote:

> Hi,
> I will be flying out of JFK on 18 April at 400P and returning to JFK on
> 30 April at 725P. I'm thinking of flying my Archer from Cleveland to
> somewhere in the area (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha) and
> leaving her there for the couple of weeks. Any suggestions will be
> appriciated. I will probably plan to spend the night of the 30th and
> fly back on 1 May. Hotel suggestion near where the Archer will be
> staying. Suggested transportation from Archer to JFK.
> Thanks to all.
>
> Chuck
>

[Denny]

I have RON at Cleveland Hopkins, leaving the airplane at the Jet
Center... Landed at night as #2 with only a 757 in the pattern ahead of
me... Left at 5:30 AM and had the taxiways and the runway to myself...
It never hurts to make a few phone calls to the business jet FBO's at
JFK and you may find it possible, or not... But if you don't check, you
won't know...

denny

[David Lesher]

"Denny" > writes:

>I have RON at Cleveland Hopkins, leaving the airplane at the Jet
>Center... Landed at night as #2 with only a 757 in the pattern ahead of
>me... Left at 5:30 AM and had the taxiways and the runway to myself...

Both PaulaJ and I are from Cleveland, and it's no Jack Kennedy....

Not so long ago, there was a GA tiedowns and quad hangars in the
back corner. I think it was a runway expansion that was the excuse
took them out, but it was driven by local politics. I'd guess the
Jet Center will be homeless as well; isn't it based in the old
bomber/tank plant?

[CLE is in Cleveland, but the abutting circa 1941 Fisher bomber plant
{locally called "The Tank Plant" as later it made...} was in Brookpark.
The two cities fought over that land for 3+ decades. Cleveland claimed
they needed it for expansion, but after it became the "IX Center"
and started competing with the downtown Convention Center, it got
even more vicious. Last I heard, they had settled with Cleveland
getting the plant and Brookpark getting NASA. But now Cleveland
somewhat realizes an airport expansion is not in the cards, and with
NASA-LeRC cutting back, there goes Brookpark's payroll tax income....]


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[David Lesher]

"Denny" > writes:

>I have RON at Cleveland Hopkins, leaving the airplane at the Jet
>Center... Landed at night as #2 with only a 757 in the pattern ahead of
>me... Left at 5:30 AM and had the taxiways and the runway to myself...

Both PaulaJ and I are from Cleveland {Hopkins}, and it's no Jack Kennedy....

Not so long ago, there was a GA tiedowns area and quad hangars in
the back corner. I think it was a runway expansion that was the
excuse took them out, but it was driven by local politics. I'd guess
the Jet Center will be homeless as well; isn't it based in the old
bomber/tank plant?

[CLE is in Cleveland, but the abutting circa 1941 Fisher bomber
plant {locally called "The Tank Plant" as later it made...} was in
Brookpark. The two cities fought over that land for 3+ decades.
Cleveland claimed they needed it for expansion, but after it became
the "IX Center" and started competing with the downtown Convention
Center, it got even more vicious. Last I heard, they had settled
with Cleveland getting the plant to tear down, and Brookpark getting
NASA in its tax base {but since it's federal land, it pays no property
tax..}.

But now Cleveland somewhat realizes another airport expansion is
not in the cards, and with NASA-LeRC cutting back, there goes
Brookpark's payroll tax income....]


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Ron Garret]

In article >,
George Patterson > wrote:

> Ron Garret wrote:
> >
> > In article . com>,
> > "Chuck" > wrote:
> >
> > > (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha)
> >
> > Why "ha ha"? I flew (actually was flown) into JFK once in a Comanche to
> > catch a flight to Europe. Aside from having to know what you're doing,
> > it wasn't a particularly big deal. (It was pretty darn cool though.)
>
> If you left your plane there for two weeks (as Chuck is planning to do), then
> you have way more money than sense. Or I guess that should be "had."
>
> That's why the "ha ha."

Ah, good point. I was flown in, and the pilot turned right around and
flew back out again.

rg

[Denny]

Hey Chuck, what have you come up with for leaving the plane?

denny

[Marco Leon]

Republic is probably the best option because of the multiple FBO's and its
proximity to JFK. You can take a cab ride to JFK or a cab ride to the Long
Island Railroad (5 mins from FRG) and take the AirTrain from Jamaica
station. For $5 the AirTrain will take you directly to your terminal. LIRR
will run you about $10 each. Depending on how much luggage you have, you may
want to pay for a cab/car service.

As for FBOs, Long Island Jet Center (631-843-9488) is probably cheaper than
Atlantic Aviation (631-752-9022) for parking fees but call both to compare.
Both may be able to courtesy-car you to the train station if you choose that
mode.

Good luck.

Marco Leon


"Ray Bengen" > wrote in message
...
> Republic nearby, KFRG, has lots of options and not too far from Kennedy.
> Catch a Super Shuttle or a cab.
>
> Ray
>
> On 14 Mar 2005 14:43:48 -0800, Chuck > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I will be flying out of JFK on 18 April at 400P and returning to JFK on
> > 30 April at 725P. I'm thinking of flying my Archer from Cleveland to
> > somewhere in the area (no, I don't want to go into JFK, ha ha) and
> > leaving her there for the couple of weeks. Any suggestions will be
> > appriciated. I will probably plan to spend the night of the 30th and
> > fly back on 1 May. Hotel suggestion near where the Archer will be
> > staying. Suggested transportation from Archer to JFK.
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > Chuck
> >

[Chuck]

Marco Leon (at) wrote:
> Republic is probably the best option because of the multiple FBO's
and its
> proximity to JFK. You can take a cab ride to JFK or a cab ride to the
Long
> Island Railroad (5 mins from FRG) and take the AirTrain from Jamaica
> station. For $5 the AirTrain will take you directly to your terminal.
LIRR
> will run you about $10 each. Depending on how much luggage you have,
you may
> want to pay for a cab/car service.
>
> As for FBOs, Long Island Jet Center (631-843-9488) is probably
cheaper than
> Atlantic Aviation (631-752-9022) for parking fees but call both to
compare.
> Both may be able to courtesy-car you to the train station if you
choose that
> mode.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Marco Leon
>
Thanks Marco ( and all) for the replys. Considering cost, I have
decided to go comercial. Parking the plane for 2 weeks costs $200 to
$350 depending on where with the less expensive (HPN) requiring a $135
ride to JFK. Guess this midwestern hick just didn't remember the NY$$$
area that well. My hanger at I64 only costs $100 per MONTH. So maybe
I'll fly to RMY for a MI hamburger.

Chuck

[Fred Barrett]

Chuck wrote:
> Marco Leon (at) wrote:
>
>>Republic is probably the best option because of the multiple FBO's
>
> and its
>
>>proximity to JFK. You can take a cab ride to JFK or a cab ride to the
>
> Long
>
>>Island Railroad (5 mins from FRG) and take the AirTrain from Jamaica
>>station. For $5 the AirTrain will take you directly to your terminal.
>
> LIRR
>
>>will run you about $10 each. Depending on how much luggage you have,
>
> you may
>
>>want to pay for a cab/car service.
>>
>>As for FBOs, Long Island Jet Center (631-843-9488) is probably
>
> cheaper than
>
>>Atlantic Aviation (631-752-9022) for parking fees but call both to
>
> compare.
>
>>Both may be able to courtesy-car you to the train station if you
>
> choose that
>
>>mode.
>>
>>Good luck.
>>
>>Marco Leon
>>
>
> Thanks Marco ( and all) for the replys. Considering cost, I have
> decided to go comercial. Parking the plane for 2 weeks costs $200 to
> $350 depending on where with the less expensive (HPN) requiring a $135
> ride to JFK. Guess this midwestern hick just didn't remember the NY$$$
> area that well. My hanger at I64 only costs $100 per MONTH. So maybe
> I'll fly to RMY for a MI hamburger.
>
> Chuck
>

There is a less expensive option from HPN to JFK by taking the train
from White Plains and then using Subway and Bus to JFK. Probably less
than $20.

Fred

[Roy Smith]

Fred Barrett > wrote:
> There is a less expensive option from HPN to JFK by taking the train
> from White Plains and then using Subway and Bus to JFK. Probably less
> than $20.

Ugh. Taxi to downtown White Plains, Metro North to Grand Central Station,
7 train out to Queens somewhere, transfer to the E to Jamaica, then the JFK
monorail. I count 4 transfers, and it'll probably take you about 2-1/2
hours by the time you're done.

Let's face it, public transport to and from NYC airports sucks eggs. I
used to fly to London a couple times a year on business. From the terminal
in Heathrow, it's underground moving walkway to the metro station, then
about 55 minutes (and something like 4 pounds) got me right to my hotel in
Kensington. Or, I could have opted for the express train which would get
me into the central city in about half the time (about 15 pounds, IIRC) on
a more comfortable seat.

In New York, it took them eons to build the new JFK rail link, and it
doesn't even frigging go anywhere.

[Marco Leon]

It depends where you're coming from. I tried the AirTrain when it first came
online. I live in Farmingdale about 1/4 mile from the airport and it was
about 50 minutes door to door at a cost of $12. Granted, I have a monthly
train pass with a discount so it would normally be $17. Still not bad.

Marco Leon

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Fred Barrett > wrote:
> > There is a less expensive option from HPN to JFK by taking the train
> > from White Plains and then using Subway and Bus to JFK. Probably less
> > than $20.
>
> Ugh. Taxi to downtown White Plains, Metro North to Grand Central Station,
> 7 train out to Queens somewhere, transfer to the E to Jamaica, then the
JFK
> monorail. I count 4 transfers, and it'll probably take you about 2-1/2
> hours by the time you're done.
>
> Let's face it, public transport to and from NYC airports sucks eggs. I
> used to fly to London a couple times a year on business. From the
terminal
> in Heathrow, it's underground moving walkway to the metro station, then
> about 55 minutes (and something like 4 pounds) got me right to my hotel in
> Kensington. Or, I could have opted for the express train which would get
> me into the central city in about half the time (about 15 pounds, IIRC) on
> a more comfortable seat.
>
> In New York, it took them eons to build the new JFK rail link, and it
> doesn't even frigging go anywhere.