Condor 2 Bug?

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.

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On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.

Just a guess.. In the settings there is a box to check or uncheck "use stick trim"

Im not a power user, however this solved the problem on another glider in the program.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 5:19:26 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.
>
> Just a guess.. In the settings there is a box to check or uncheck "use stick trim"
>
> Im not a power user, however this solved the problem on another glider in the program.

I will look at that, however the trim works just fine on the 2.1.1 for the JS1C-21 and on version 2.0.6 the trim worked fine for the all gliders. Will report back

[Dan[_6_]]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:24:22 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 5:19:26 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.
> >
> > Just a guess.. In the settings there is a box to check or uncheck "use stick trim"
> >
> > Im not a power user, however this solved the problem on another glider in the program.
>
> I will look at that, however the trim works just fine on the 2.1.1 for the JS1C-21 and on version 2.0.6 the trim worked fine for the all gliders. Will report back

Interesting; I have no problem with the ASG 29es trim (I use the trigger on the Logetch control stick) but no trim at all on the JS-1C

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The trim doesn't work on my LS-8 Neo. It worked on several gliders before the latest update but the LS-8 is a recent addition. I'll check other gliders next time.

Yes, I've configured the input for the trimmer and Condor recognizes the slider control. But it doesn't work while flying.

Chip Bearden
JB

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> The trim doesn't work on my LS-8 Neo. It worked on several gliders before the latest update but the LS-8 is a recent addition. I'll check other gliders next time.
>
> Yes, I've configured the input for the trimmer and Condor recognizes the slider control. But it doesn't work while flying.
>
> Chip Bearden
> JB

Works on my Condor LS8 Neo. I have deactivated stick trim and use the same trim on all gliders in Condor so I can't forget.

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On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:45:22 PM UTC-5, Dan Daly wrote:
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > The trim doesn't work on my LS-8 Neo. It worked on several gliders before the latest update but the LS-8 is a recent addition. I'll check other gliders next time.
> >
> > Yes, I've configured the input for the trimmer and Condor recognizes the slider control. But it doesn't work while flying.
> >
> > Chip Bearden
> > JB
>
> Works on my Condor LS8 Neo. I have deactivated stick trim and use the same trim on all gliders in Condor so I can't forget.

I've had trouble with the trim in my LS-4 in Condor 2 also but just thought it was the "loose nut behind the stick" maybe not. I'll try deactivating the stick trim to see if that helps.

[Chris Wedgwood[_2_]]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 12:02:40 AM UTC+2, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.

Guys,

There's nothing wrong with the trim.

Condor simulates the trim system used in each glider. Some have lever, some have stick trim and you need to know which they are and map a control suitable for each type.

If you don't want to have that, we have provided an override as mentioned in this thread to let you disable stick trim and use lever in all gliders.

[Soartech]

>> Some have lever, some have stick trim and you need to know which they are and map a control suitable for each type.

What is "stick trim"? Don't all trim mechanisms control the position of the stick?

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Some trims are a lever on the cockpit side, some are a lever alongside the stick...usually have to map a different control in any simulator for the function to work.....thus, different mapping for different ships...similar ships, keyboard mapping to work....change trim type, different mapping.

[Dan[_6_]]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 11:15:10 PM UTC-7, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 12:02:40 AM UTC+2, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.
>
> Guys,
>
> There's nothing wrong with the trim.
>
> Condor simulates the trim system used in each glider. Some have lever, some have stick trim and you need to know which they are and map a control suitable for each type.
>
> If you don't want to have that, we have provided an override as mentioned in this thread to let you disable stick trim and use lever in all gliders.

OK where/what is the "lever" command?

[SoaringXCellence]

Dan,

Actually there are two or three places you can control the trim. On a full-sized keyboard,the "Insert" is down trim and the "Delete" is up trim.

You can also us a slider type control on your joystick, but you have to map it using the "Setup/Input" menu, "Assign controls". Using that window, you would click on Trimmer and then move the joystick control that you want to act as trim.

Lastly (as far as I know) you can use the same window to replace the "Insert" and "Delete" keys with buttons on your joystick. I have a Thrustmaster 1600 with a bunch of buttons, I just map one to trim up and another to trim down.

I like that much better than using a slider. I find it much easier to "set" the trim to a repeatable value, I.E. if I have found that -45% will hold the cruise speed I want. I can easily find that again with the buttons. Not so easily with the slider.

Hope that helps,

Mike

[David S]

The answer is F12.

Some Schleicher gliders have a trim release on the stick. It looks like a bicycle brake lever but it's very short, resembling a trigger. Squeezing the trigger releases the trim spring. Releasing the trigger engages the trim at the current stick position.

In Condor, pressing the F12 key is the same as squeezing and releasing the trim trigger. This function goes away if you uncheck the "Stick trim if available" option on the "Input" page of the "Setup" menu.

When unchecked, trim will be controlled using your choices on the "Assign Controls" page.

When checked, those controls have no effect, and you must use F12 to change the trim.

Cheers,
...david

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 6:02:40 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Anyone else notice that after updating to Condor 2.1.1 the ASG-29Es trimer is not functional? While other aircraft still have functional trimmers.

[Dan[_6_]]

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 4:18:16 PM UTC-7, SoaringXCellence wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Actually there are two or three places you can control the trim. On a full-sized keyboard,the "Insert" is down trim and the "Delete" is up trim.
>
> You can also us a slider type control on your joystick, but you have to map it using the "Setup/Input" menu, "Assign controls". Using that window, you would click on Trimmer and then move the joystick control that you want to act as trim.
>
> Lastly (as far as I know) you can use the same window to replace the "Insert" and "Delete" keys with buttons on your joystick. I have a Thrustmaster 1600 with a bunch of buttons, I just map one to trim up and another to trim down.
>
> I like that much better than using a slider. I find it much easier to "set" the trim to a repeatable value, I.E. if I have found that -45% will hold the cruise speed I want. I can easily find that again with the buttons. Not so easily with the slider.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Mike

thanks Mike I'll try that. I have my Logitech stick set up to use the trigger for trim. Works on the Schleicher (like I fly) gliders but not on the JS-1C. I use the slider for spoilers/ Dan

[Dan[_6_]]

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 4:18:16 PM UTC-7, SoaringXCellence wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Actually there are two or three places you can control the trim. On a full-sized keyboard,the "Insert" is down trim and the "Delete" is up trim.
>
> You can also us a slider type control on your joystick, but you have to map it using the "Setup/Input" menu, "Assign controls". Using that window, you would click on Trimmer and then move the joystick control that you want to act as trim.
>
> Lastly (as far as I know) you can use the same window to replace the "Insert" and "Delete" keys with buttons on your joystick. I have a Thrustmaster 1600 with a bunch of buttons, I just map one to trim up and another to trim down.
>
> I like that much better than using a slider. I find it much easier to "set" the trim to a repeatable value, I.E. if I have found that -45% will hold the cruise speed I want. I can easily find that again with the buttons. Not so easily with the slider.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Mike

Thanks Mike, I see it now in the settings. I had my Logitech stick set up for trim using the trigger like a Schleicher and that doesn't work on a lot of other gliders. Got it working now. thanks again Dan