CNN's post-Cessna-invasion programming

[Charles O'Rourke]

Hi all -

According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/

Charles.
-N8385U

[Kev]

In contrast, ABC's website already has a decent editorial by their
resident pilot advisor:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Travel/story?id=748540&page=1

[Bob Noel]

In article <OLvge.12444$iU.459@lakeread05>,
Charles O'Rourke -net> wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
> entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
> pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
> be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/

should be a short program. :-/

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

[Jay Masino]

Kev > wrote:
> In contrast, ABC's website already has a decent editorial by their
> resident pilot advisor:
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/Travel/story?id=748540&page=1

I liked what he had to say.

--- Jay



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[gatt]

"Charles O'Rourke" -net> wrote in message news:OLvge.12444\

> According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
> entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
> pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
> be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.

I better chain my TV down so I don't throw it.

Assuming it wasn't filled with explosives or a dirty bomb, just how much
damage could a Cessna 152 do to a building anyhow.

I have a better idea, given that my brother just reported home alive from
the Syrian border:
"Defending America: The threat that politicians and their policies pose to
security."

-c

[Mike 'Flyin'8']

Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is a
complete moron.

On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
-net> wrote:

>Hi all -
>
>According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
>entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
>pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
>be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
>
>http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
>
>Charles.
>-N8385U


Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com

[H.P.]

The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
pretty fair, IMHO.


"Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message
...
> Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is a
> complete moron.
>
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
> -net> wrote:
>
>>Hi all -
>>
>>According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
>>entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
>>pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
>>be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
>>
>>Charles.
>>-N8385U
>
>
> Mike Alexander
> PP-ASEL
> Temecula, CA
> See my online aerial photo album at
> http://flying.4alexanders.com

[Mike 'Flyin'8']

Yes, I agree.

>The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
>pretty fair, IMHO.


I do not ever want to be in the pilot's shoes. I must admit though,
it would be kinda cool to have a couple of F16's off the wings of my
little Cessna. Different circumstances certainly...


Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com

[Icebound]

"Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message
...
>
> I do not ever want to be in the pilot's shoes. I must admit though,
> it would be kinda cool to have a couple of F16's off the wings of my
> little Cessna.


.....followed by clamors for interviews.....

Is it possible to score a couple of grand, each interview???? Pay for a few
hours of rental???

[airman]

Yeah, but Phil said that when pilots like these guys are rusty about
choosing the appropriate frequency to communicate with F-16s, there are
"400" possible frequencies to pick from. I think he's forgetting that
center knob for setting tenths and hundreds.



"H.P." > wrote in message
...
> The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
> pretty fair, IMHO.
>
>
> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is a
>> complete moron.
>>
>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
>> -net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all -
>>>
>>>According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
>>>entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
>>>pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
>>>be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
>>>
>>>http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
>>>
>>>Charles.
>>>-N8385U
>>
>>
>> Mike Alexander
>> PP-ASEL
>> Temecula, CA
>> See my online aerial photo album at
>> http://flying.4alexanders.com
>
>

[Dan Luke]

"H.P." wrote:

> The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
> pretty fair, IMHO.

I agree. Compared to what we have seen from the media in the past, I thought
CNN did a pretty good job overall.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:50:00 -0700, "gatt" >
wrote in >::

>"Defending America: The threat that politicians and their policies pose to
>security."

With the temperature rising on the nuclear activity in North Korea and
Iran, and the asinine antics of this administration, it's beginning to
feel like the apocalypse is nigh. :-(

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:50:34 GMT, "airman"
> wrote in
>::

>to communicate with F-16s, there are
>"400" possible frequencies to pick from.

Perhaps that is the number of frequencies that the military and civil
aircraft have in common, or the number of frequencies that are
actually in use, as opposed to the number the comm radio is capable of
tuning.

[H.P.]

Update: However, the schmuck following Paula Zahn, Aaron Brown, is a being a
slime-weenie-jerk-ignorant-bloviating-gasbag. "...with the plane bearing
down on the Whitehouse..." he says.

His intelligence seems to be affected by the bad dental implant job that
he's been struggling with since the late 90's.


"H.P." > wrote in message
...
> The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
> pretty fair, IMHO.
>
>
> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is a
>> complete moron.
>>
>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
>> -net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all -
>>>
>>>According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program tonight
>>>entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their pilots
>>>pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW"). Should
>>>be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
>>>
>>>http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
>>>
>>>Charles.
>>>-N8385U
>>
>>
>> Mike Alexander
>> PP-ASEL
>> Temecula, CA
>> See my online aerial photo album at
>> http://flying.4alexanders.com
>
>

[W P Dixon]

Larry,
I will have to agree with you it sure does look gloomy, Iran would be no
problem if we were not already stretched in Iraq. But I really worry about
North Korea, their Chinese buddies liked helping them out during the first
go around. And strategically it would behove the Chinese to help the North
Koreans again. That IMHO, could get mighty ugly.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> With the temperature rising on the nuclear activity in North Korea and
> Iran, and the asinine antics of this administration, it's beginning to
> feel like the apocalypse is nigh. :-(
>
>

[Montblack]

("Icebound" wrote)
> ....followed by clamors for interviews.....
>
> Is it possible to score a couple of grand, each interview???? Pay for a
> few hours of rental???


Why not? It aint news, it's entertainment, and they're the main act - for
now.

Give 20/20 the exclusive and ABC would "buy" you a 152 - complete with a
moving map GPS ...product placement, costs ABC zip. <g>

Runaway bride is yeasterday's ...."news."


Montblack
Wonder what the sharks are eating these days?

[Mike W.]

Even packed with explosives, an airplane is not a good delivery vehicle
against concrete buildings. No velocity, no penetration. Just leaves a big
charred mark on the outside I would think.

--
Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

>
> Assuming it wasn't filled with explosives or a dirty bomb, just how much
> damage could a Cessna 152 do to a building anyhow.
>

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
"W P Dixon" > wrote:
> I will have to agree with you it sure does look gloomy, Iran would be no
> problem if we were not already stretched in Iraq. But I really worry about
> North Korea, their Chinese buddies liked helping them out during the first
> go around. And strategically it would behove the Chinese to help the North
> Koreans again. That IMHO, could get mighty ugly.


This isn't an international politics group, but Larry can't help taking
shallow pot-shots at the President for some reason.

Both Iran and North Korea are so skilled at propaganda, unless you're
deep into the intelligence community, I doubt that any of us has the
slightest picture of reality in those countries, nor the qualifications
to determine how much of a threat, if any, they pose at this point.


JKG

[RST Engineering]

Wouldn't it be just wonderful if for once you came in here with some hard
data rather than your usual worthless suppositions?

The civilian aircraft have a maximuim of 760 legal channels, no more and no
less Some civilian aircraft have 2, 10, 90, 180. 360, 720, or 760 channels,
depending on how old their radios are.. Military aircraft equipped with
civilian radios have a maximum of 720 or 760 channels, no more and no less.

Jim


"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:50:34 GMT, "airman"
> > wrote in
> >::
>
>>to communicate with F-16s, there are
>>"400" possible frequencies to pick from.
>
> Perhaps that is the number of frequencies that the military and civil
> aircraft have in common, or the number of frequencies that are
> actually in use, as opposed to the number the comm radio is capable of
> tuning.
>
>

[Larry Dighera]

>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:50:34 GMT, "airman"
>> > wrote in
>> >::
>>
>>>to communicate with F-16s, there are
>>>"400" possible frequencies to pick from.
>>
>> Perhaps that is the number of frequencies that the military and civil
>> aircraft have in common, or the number of frequencies that are
>> actually in use, as opposed to the number the comm radio is capable of
>> tuning.
>>
On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:43:56 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> wrote in
>::

>Wouldn't it be just wonderful if for once you came in here with some hard
>data rather than your usual worthless suppositions?
>
>The civilian aircraft have a maximuim of 760 legal channels, no more and no
>less Some civilian aircraft have 2, 10, 90, 180. 360, 720, or 760 channels,
>depending on how old their radios are.. Military aircraft equipped with
>civilian radios have a maximum of 720 or 760 channels, no more and no less.
>

Wouldn't it be nice if you had some evidence that military aircraft
are equipped with civilian radios, or is that just supposition?

[Blueskies]

"Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message ...
> Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is a
> complete moron.
>
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
> -net> wrote:
>
<snip
> Mike Alexander
> PP-ASEL
> Temecula, CA
> See my online aerial photo album at
> http://flying.4alexanders.com


Green Day - American Idiot

Dont wanna be an american idiot
Dont want a nation under the new media
Hey can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind **** america

[Chorus]
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
everything isn't meant to be O.K.
Television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue

Maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia
(Chorus)

Don't wanna be an American Idiot
One nation controlled by the media
Information age of hysteria
It's going out to Idiot America

[Rob]

Dan Luke Wrote:
>"H.P." wrote:
>> The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer
were
>> pretty fair, IMHO.

>I agree. Compared to what we have seen from the media in the past, I
thought
>CNN did a pretty good job overall.

When I saw the O. P. and read the program description on the CNN
website yesterday I actually decided to leave work early and go watch
the program. I thought I'd be witnessing the beginning of the end of
G. A. and I was ready to be ****ed off by the usual ignorant media
scare-mongering, but I was pleasantly surprised by the rational and
accurate analysis of the situation. The dude from NORAD said as soon
as they got along side the perp they knew there was no threat from a
Cessna single, and that info was immediately relayed to the top of the
chain. I'm guessing that by that time they had already pushed the big
red button and there was no way to tell every rent-a-cop in D. C. to
stand down. Miles O'Brien is now my favorite talking head. He
actually straight out said you couldn't do significant damage with an
airplane that's 1600 ponds soaking wet! Somebody needs to tell Boyer
to ditch the comb-over, though :). On the 10 o'clock news here in the
Phoenix area the story wasn't up until 12 minutes after the hour, after
the American Idol update. The story didn't even make the front page of
today's Arizona Republic.

-R

[SeeAndAvoid]

"Blueskies" wrote
> Green Day - American Idiot lyrics

OFF TOPIC ALERT** Good song, even better album (although
mistitled IMO), by a very talented band.
**END OFF TOPIC

....but what does it have to do with this? Zahn/CNN would be
considered "old media", which GD appears to favor, or at
least their politics/lyrics point that way.

Chris

"Get in there and make me some bean dip!"
www.philhendrieshow.com

[John Lakesford]

I flew past China Lake a few years ago, well away from the restricted
area, and two F-16's came by to take a look at me. I was in my Cessna
140, tootling along - and clearly they couldn't fly slow enough to
match my speed, I still don't know what their slowest flight is - I
didn't think it was very cool though - they were way too close and way
too big compared to me.

John


On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:43:34 -0700, Mike 'Flyin'8'
> wrote:

>Yes, I agree.
>
>>The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer were
>>pretty fair, IMHO.
>
>
>I do not ever want to be in the pilot's shoes. I must admit though,
>it would be kinda cool to have a couple of F16's off the wings of my
>little Cessna. Different circumstances certainly...
>
>
>Mike Alexander
>PP-ASEL
>Temecula, CA
>See my online aerial photo album at
>http://flying.4alexanders.com

[[email protected]]

You have a horrible mouth

H.P. wrote:
> Update: However, the schmuck following Paula Zahn, Aaron Brown, is a
being a
> slime-weenie-jerk-ignorant-bloviating-gasbag. "...with the plane
bearing
> down on the Whitehouse..." he says.
>
> His intelligence seems to be affected by the bad dental implant job
that
> he's been struggling with since the late 90's.
>
>
> "H.P." > wrote in message
> ...
> > The piece with the pilot reporter and the interview with Phil Boyer
were
> > pretty fair, IMHO.
> >
> >
> > "Mike 'Flyin'8'" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Watching this CNN fiasco now... What a joke... This Paula Zahn is
a
> >> complete moron.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:34:21 -0400, Charles O'Rourke
> >> -net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all -
> >>>
> >>>According to the CNN web site, CNN will be having a program
tonight
> >>>entitled, "Defending the Skies: The threat small planes and their
pilots
> >>>pose to security." It's on at 8 PM EDT (on "Paula Zahn NOW").
Should
> >>>be interesting to find out how much of a threat we are.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
> >>>
> >>>Charles.
> >>>-N8385U
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Alexander
> >> PP-ASEL
> >> Temecula, CA
> >> See my online aerial photo album at
> >> http://flying.4alexanders.com
> >
> >

[Morgans]

<John Lakesford> wrote in message

> I flew past China Lake a few years ago, well away from the restricted
> area, and two F-16's came by to take a look at me. I was in my Cessna
> 140, tootling along - and clearly they couldn't fly slow enough to
> match my speed, I still don't know what their slowest flight is -

I have seen F-16's at air shows, in very high angles of attack, go so slow
that your 140 would likely stall. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Blueskies" > wrote
A very poor attempt at satire, political humor, or..

That is below even you, blueskies. Try to be more civilized, huh?
--
Jim in NC

[Blueskies]

"SeeAndAvoid" > wrote in message nk.net...
> "Blueskies" wrote
>> Green Day - American Idiot lyrics
>
> OFF TOPIC ALERT** Good song, even better album (although
> mistitled IMO), by a very talented band.
> **END OFF TOPIC
>
> ...but what does it have to do with this? Zahn/CNN would be
> considered "old media", which GD appears to favor, or at
> least their politics/lyrics point that way.
>
> Chris
>
> "Get in there and make me some bean dip!"
> www.philhendrieshow.com
>


Old media is the likes of Walter Cronkite - CNN is a part of the new media one voice solution...

[Blueskies]

"Morgans" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Blueskies" > wrote
> A very poor attempt at satire, political humor, or..
>
> That is below even you, blueskies. Try to be more civilized, huh?
> --
> Jim in NC


Nah, I didn't write it - just a quote from one of the more popular songs around. FWIW...hmmm that is another pretty good
song...

There's somethin' happenin' here.
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there
A-tellin' me I've got to beware.

I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin' down.

There's battle lines bein' drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speakin' their minds
A-gettin' so much resistance from behind.

I think it's time we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin' down.

What a field day for the heat.
A thousand people in the street
Singin' songs and a-carryin' signs
Mostly sayin' hooray for our side.

It's time we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin' down.

Paranoia strikes deep.
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid.
Step out of line, the men come and take you away.

You better stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin'..
You better stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin'..
You better stop.
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin'..
You better stop.
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin

[[email protected]]

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
> In article >,
> "W P Dixon" > wrote:
> > I will have to agree with you it sure does look gloomy, Iran
would be no
> > problem if we were not already stretched in Iraq. But I really
worry about
> > North Korea, their Chinese buddies liked helping them out during
the first
> > go around. And strategically it would behove the Chinese to help
the North
> > Koreans again. That IMHO, could get mighty ugly.
>

The Chinese are playing both sides here. Crazy Kim serves their
purposes but they have to make sure not to give him too much leash. The
elephant in the room is Japan. Their air force and navy are first-class
and very modern. They reprocess plutonium for power plants and they
already build satellite-launching rockets that could deliver a nuke
quite nicely. Technologically they are far ahead of anyone except us,
and that's only because they've refrained from investing in defense the
way we do. It would take them 5 years at best to become a regional
military superpower, and the Chinese don't want that to happen. The
last thing they want is the Japan Self-Defense Forces standing between
them and Taiwan. So long as the Japanese aren't too scared they stay
largely pacifist, but this is changing as the WWII generation dies out.

-cwk.