USB-to-serial converters that work (especially with ILEC SN10) ?

[[email protected]]

OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
(but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
questions:
- what is the make and model of the converter ?
- did the driver install without dire warnings from
Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
- you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
- does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
- has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
Chinese, or somesuch) ?
- have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
- does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
- does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?

This should help us collate some recommendations...
Thanks in advance !
Best Regards, Dave "YO"

[John Doe]

At 15:30 22 May 2005, wrote:

> SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
>of USB-to-serial converter ?

Belkin F5U103

>- what is the make and model of the converter ?

Runs just fine off USB power

>- did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about 'uncertified driver' and the like ?

Gave a warning about uncertified drivers, but haven't
had trouble with it.

>- you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service
>pack) ?

XP SP2

>- does your laptop sometimes crash after you 'resume'
>?

Not as far as I've noticed.

>- has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash)
>that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to
>a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?

Nope

>- have you got scary messages like 'thread stuck in
>kernel' ?

Nope

>- does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database)
>?
>- does it work reliably with SN10 'software load' ?

Never hooked it up to an SN10 but have had no problems
with VL and EW D, and have never heard of any problems
specific to this one.

>
>This should help us collate some recommendations...
>Thanks in advance !
>Best Regards, Dave 'YO'
>
>

Cheers

Jamie

[Gary Evans]

I use the same Belkin F5U103 to connect several differant
serials devices although not an ILEC SN10.



At 17:30 22 May 2005, John Doe wrote:
>At 15:30 22 May 2005, wrote:
>
>> SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
>>of USB-to-serial converter ?
>
>Belkin F5U103
>
>>- what is the make and model of the converter ?
>
>Runs just fine off USB power
>
>>- did the driver install without dire warnings from
>> Windoze about 'uncertified driver' and the like ?
>
>Gave a warning about uncertified drivers, but haven't
>had trouble with it.
>
>>- you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service
>>pack) ?
>
>XP SP2
>
>>- does your laptop sometimes crash after you 'resume'
>>?
>
>Not as far as I've noticed.
>
>>- has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash)
>>that
>> you need to update the driver, and directed you to
>>a
>> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
>> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
>
>Nope
>
>>- have you got scary messages like 'thread stuck in
>>kernel' ?
>
>Nope
>
>>- does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database)
>>?
>>- does it work reliably with SN10 'software load' ?
>
>Never hooked it up to an SN10 but have had no problems
>with VL and EW D, and have never heard of any problems
>specific to this one.
>
>>
>>This should help us collate some recommendations...
>>Thanks in advance !
>>Best Regards, Dave 'YO'
>>
>>
>
>Cheers
>
>Jamie
>
>
>
>

[Papa3]

Dave,

I have been successful with the Radio Schlock "6 foot USB to Serial
Port Cable", catalog #: 26-183. Answers to your questions:

> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
No. I got the standard "uncertified drive" warning, which I ignored
without any obvious adverse results.

> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
XP Professional version 2002 with SP2


> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
You mean any more than it normally does? No.

> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
n/a
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
n/a
> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
n/a Successfully used to attach to a Garmin GPSMap76 using both G72Win
and SeeYou.

> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
n/a
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"

Good luck.

P3

[[email protected]]

> - what is the make and model of the converter ?

Belkin FSU409

> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?

Yes

> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?

XP Pro, no problems both before and after SP2

> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?

No

> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?

n/a

> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?

No

> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?

Yes

> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?

Yes

> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"

Computer used is a Sony Vaio notebook, talking to an SN10B.

Hope this helps,

Kirk
66

[Robert Danewid]

I use a Targus adapter PA088 without any problems. No
warnings etc, just install the drivers. I have used it with
Colibri, LX5000, EW and Volkslogger. Just plug in and off
you go!

/Robert

[Mario Crosina]

Hi Dave,

I have been using a Belkin USB/Serial Portable Adapter F5U 409 for 3 years
with a laptop with XP, SN-10,
and Volkslogger with no problems.

Mario




> wrote in message
oups.com...
> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
> of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
> questions:
> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

[Kilo Charlie]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
>
> Belkin FSU409

I also use a Belkin FSU409 and have had one incident of it crashing my Dell
laptop while trying to download a flight from my CAI Model 20. On the other
hand have had no problems using it with my Model 25 in my other glider.
Using XP Pro with SP2.

Casey Lenox
KC
Phoenix

[[email protected]]

Thanks Casey - Have you used this for both PClink and software load
(ILEC SN10) ?
Did you get "unregistered driver" or other warnings, or have to upgrade
the driver ?
Thanks !
Best Regards, Dave "YO"

[Greg Arnold]

Dave, why don't you upgrade the SN-10 to a USB connector?


wrote:
> Thanks Casey - Have you used this for both PClink and software load
> (ILEC SN10) ?
> Did you get "unregistered driver" or other warnings, or have to upgrade
> the driver ?
> Thanks !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

[Marc Ramsey]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> Dave, why don't you upgrade the SN-10 to a USB connector?

That would just shift the driver issues from the USB-to-serial converter
vendors to Dave...

[Greg Arnold]

The new Colibri uses a USB connector, and other soaring instruments
doubtless will follow in the future.


Marc Ramsey wrote:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
>
>> Dave, why don't you upgrade the SN-10 to a USB connector?
>
>
> That would just shift the driver issues from the USB-to-serial converter
> vendors to Dave...

[Marc Ramsey]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> The new Colibri uses a USB connector, and other soaring instruments
> doubtless will follow in the future.

Yes, and you'll need to get a USB driver from LXN, which is just about
as likely to work on your particular Windows computer as a random
USB-to-serial converter...

[Greg Arnold]

I have a digital camera, a laser printer, and an Ipaq, all with USB
connectors, and all work fine on my Windows computer. Why would the
Colibri be different?


Marc Ramsey wrote:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
>
>> The new Colibri uses a USB connector, and other soaring instruments
>> doubtless will follow in the future.
>
>
> Yes, and you'll need to get a USB driver from LXN, which is just about
> as likely to work on your particular Windows computer as a random
> USB-to-serial converter...

[Kilo Charlie]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks Casey - Have you used this for both PClink and software load
> (ILEC SN10) ?
> Did you get "unregistered driver" or other warnings, or have to upgrade
> the driver ?
> Thanks !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"

Hi Dave-

It works fine with PCLink for the Model 25 (LS-8) but for some reason did
not with trying to download a flight from the Model 20 (Nimbus)....we just
sent that Model 20 GPS/NAV in for updated software so it may be a Cambridge
issue.....I'll let you know. After mine failed TS1 used his laptop to
download it without a problem.....he has an old laptop with a serial
connnection though. I have not used mine to upload updates or TP databases
into the Model 20 so can't answer that part.....works fine with the 25.
Resulted in missing a nice long flight for OLC......you hear that Mitch???
;-)

Casey

[Marc Ramsey]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> I have a digital camera, a laser printer, and an Ipaq, all with USB
> connectors, and all work fine on my Windows computer. Why would the
> Colibri be different?

Why would a USB-to-serial converter be different?

Because the drivers for most digital cameras (which are actually USB
"mass storage devices"), and low-level printer drivers are included with
the Windows 2K/XP. The generic USB PocketPC driver is now also included
in XP, and both HP and Microsoft have a vested interest in making sure
it works properly.

The USB-equipped flight recorders I have seen all look like USB serial
devices, for which a vendor supplied device driver is required. Flight
recorder vendors don't build their own drivers, they redistribute
whatever driver is supplied by the chip manufacturer which, strangely
enough, happen to be the exact same drivers supplied along with
USB-to-serial converters that use the same chip family.

[Greg Arnold]

You have lost me. However, I do know that my Belkin adapter works fine
with the LX-5000, but not at all with a Cambridge 302. I also know that
the Cambridge 302 works fine with the USB connection to an Ipaq.



Marc Ramsey wrote:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
>
>> I have a digital camera, a laser printer, and an Ipaq, all with USB
>> connectors, and all work fine on my Windows computer. Why would the
>> Colibri be different?
>
>
> Why would a USB-to-serial converter be different?
>
> Because the drivers for most digital cameras (which are actually USB
> "mass storage devices"), and low-level printer drivers are included with
> the Windows 2K/XP. The generic USB PocketPC driver is now also included
> in XP, and both HP and Microsoft have a vested interest in making sure
> it works properly.
>
> The USB-equipped flight recorders I have seen all look like USB serial
> devices, for which a vendor supplied device driver is required. Flight
> recorder vendors don't build their own drivers, they redistribute
> whatever driver is supplied by the chip manufacturer which, strangely
> enough, happen to be the exact same drivers supplied along with
> USB-to-serial converters that use the same chip family.

[Greg Arnold]

Correction -- the Cambridge connection to an Ipaq is not USB. As I
said, I am lost.




Greg Arnold wrote:
> You have lost me. However, I do know that my Belkin adapter works fine
> with the LX-5000, but not at all with a Cambridge 302. I also know that
> the Cambridge 302 works fine with the USB connection to an Ipaq.
>
>
>
> Marc Ramsey wrote:
>
>> Greg Arnold wrote:
>>
>>> I have a digital camera, a laser printer, and an Ipaq, all with USB
>>> connectors, and all work fine on my Windows computer. Why would the
>>> Colibri be different?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why would a USB-to-serial converter be different?
>>
>> Because the drivers for most digital cameras (which are actually USB
>> "mass storage devices"), and low-level printer drivers are included
>> with the Windows 2K/XP. The generic USB PocketPC driver is now also
>> included in XP, and both HP and Microsoft have a vested interest in
>> making sure it works properly.
>>
>> The USB-equipped flight recorders I have seen all look like USB serial
>> devices, for which a vendor supplied device driver is required.
>> Flight recorder vendors don't build their own drivers, they
>> redistribute whatever driver is supplied by the chip manufacturer
>> which, strangely enough, happen to be the exact same drivers supplied
>> along with USB-to-serial converters that use the same chip family.

[Bob Greenblatt]

For what it's worth, and that probably isn't much here, the Belkin FSU 409
will NOT work with Macintosh OS X.

--
Bob
bobgreenblattATmsnDOTcom <--fix this before responding

[Bob Greenblatt]

On 5/22/05 10:56 AM, in article
. com, "
> wrote:

> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
> of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
> questions:
> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>
Are you asking this, I hope, so that the SN10 can download to a USB "thumb
drive" directly? Sure would be convenient.

--
Bob
bobgreenblattATmsnDOTcom <--fix this before responding

[JJ Sinclair]

Wow, can't believe all the problems with the new stuff that I know
nothing about. Thanks for confirming my decision to stay with my
prehistoric lap-top, prehistoric B-100 and prehistoric model-20 GPS
with Cambridge's prehistoric DOS software. Everything works and I got
all my soaring sites loaded in the B-100, even though I had to do it
manually. Dave tried to show me how to do it with one of them serial
ports, but lost me in a heart beat.

I do have a bit of a problem with the B-100 audio, it only comes on
when going fast, 70+ but no tone at thermal speed. Any suggestions? Not
a big deal because I use the audio on the B-40, like it much better,
because I can turn off the down (no bad news) audio.
Cheers,
JJ

[[email protected]]

JJ, you are such a risk taker! All those fancy electrical gizmos, just
waiting to fail. I'm surprised you don't use a pellet vario and an
external vane airspeed indicator.

Old stuff isn't any better or more reliable, it's just older and
cheaper. And when it finally fails, you can move up to "the new
stuff", only now it will be old stuff and you will think it's the
greatest thing since the AIM-9L. I've had absolutely no problems with
my SN10, hooked up to a nice Garmin GPS, and talking to several
different computers via various serial and usb connectors, with both
Win98 and XP, and now via a PDA so I don't have to lug that notebook
with me anymore.

But then, I keep my software up to date and don't mess around with it
much.

Although I got to admit, DOS was kinda fun to fool around with - sort
of like doing a tune up on and old car; changing points, adjusting the
timing with a strobe, setting the idle.

But back to the subject at hand (tangentially): It would be really
nice to be able to download the logger trace or upload a waypoint file
via a USB thumb drive directly to the SN-10. How about an upgrade
(SN10C?) that would increase internal memory (store multiple flights
and more waypoints) and change the serial connector on the panel to a
USB connector?

Just dreaming...

Kirk

[Robert J. Simpson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
> of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
> questions:
> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

I've just bought one from Easysync:

http://www.easysync.co.uk/usbrs232_single.html


Works fine using xp sp2 with Garmin 2 and an EW logger.

Rob.

[Peter Scarpelli]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
> of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
> questions:
> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
I've tried Belkin FSU 103
and Iogear GUC 232A
> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
Both installed by windows without problem
> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
XP SP1
> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
I get the "blue screen" which says I've recovered from a serious
error and should remove any new hardware when I use the Belkin (about 40% of
the time). The Iogear just plain doesn't work although it lights up like
it's trying to when I try to use it. The driver is properly
installed.
> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?

> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
Belkin yes
> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
Belkin yes
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

[Robert Danewid]

I just took delivery of a new Colibri 4.0 with USB
connector. The manual says that the Colibri has a built in
USB/232 adapter.

/Robert


Marc Ramsey skrev:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
>
>> I have a digital camera, a laser printer, and an Ipaq, all with USB
>> connectors, and all work fine on my Windows computer. Why would the
>> Colibri be different?
>
>
> Why would a USB-to-serial converter be different?
>
> Because the drivers for most digital cameras (which are actually USB
> "mass storage devices"), and low-level printer drivers are included with
> the Windows 2K/XP. The generic USB PocketPC driver is now also included
> in XP, and both HP and Microsoft have a vested interest in making sure
> it works properly.
>
> The USB-equipped flight recorders I have seen all look like USB serial
> devices, for which a vendor supplied device driver is required. Flight
> recorder vendors don't build their own drivers, they redistribute
> whatever driver is supplied by the chip manufacturer which, strangely
> enough, happen to be the exact same drivers supplied along with
> USB-to-serial converters that use the same chip family.

[John Sinclair]

like doing a tune up on and old car; changing points,
adjusting the
>timing with a strobe,

Hey Kirt,
I put the car in gear, rock it back and forth until
the timing mark is lined up with the mark on the fly-weel,
adjust the points so that they have just opened (slide
a wrapper from my Lucky Strike smokes between the points)
and I'm good to go, because #1 cylinder is on the timing
mark and the points have just started to open.
What's a strobe lite?
JJ
PS, I watched 2 techno-crats fighting with their fancy
new palm-nav's and SN-10's last week. By the way the
B-100 has 90% of the good stuff that's on your SN-10,
only I know where things are and how to use them. Do
you know how to drag your turn point around a turn-area?
The locals don't seem to know how to accomplish this.
Fancy stuff that can't be used is worthless, remember
KISS.
:>) JJ
PS #2, Did me one of those low passes at about 100
feet, scared myself and won't do that again.

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I had a friend that could not communicate with his SN-10 using his USB to
serial converter. I put my Socket PCMCIA RS-232 card into his laptop and it
worked great.

I have a link to them on my PDA comparison page here:
http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/pda.htm#SL0700-004

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
> of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
> questions:
> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
> - have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
> - does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
>
> This should help us collate some recommendations...
> Thanks in advance !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

[Bob]

Mario Crosina wrote:

What do you mean you've had no problems with that cable? I was at the
Avenal contest and on one day you completely forgot to bring the cable
- I'd call that a big PROBLEM :-)

> Hi Dave,
>
> I have been using a Belkin USB/Serial Portable Adapter F5U 409 for 3 years
> with a laptop with XP, SN-10,
> and Volkslogger with no problems.
>
> Mario
>
>
>
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
>>good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
>>of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
>>of units that don't work properly, and a few that do
>>(but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
>>questions:
>>- what is the make and model of the converter ?
>>- did the driver install without dire warnings from
>> Windoze about "uncertified driver" and the like ?
>>- you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service pack) ?
>>- does your laptop sometimes crash after you "resume" ?
>>- has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash) that
>> you need to update the driver, and directed you to a
>> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
>> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
>>- have you got scary messages like "thread stuck in kernel" ?
>>- does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database) ?
>>- does it work reliably with SN10 "software load" ?
>>
>>This should help us collate some recommendations...
>>Thanks in advance !
>>Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>>
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

JJ,

Yeah, I guess timing strobes came out a little after your time :),
kinda high tech, you know?

About B-100s, I've used them, and they are OK - but the difference
between a B-100 and an SN10 is like the difference between an F-4C and
an F-15E. Same idea, just a lot more of it and it works a lot better.
Sure it takes awhile to figure it all out, but with a little homework
and practice, it's actually a lot easier to use than the B-100. That's
called progress...

The SN10 is just getting into the PDA thing (YO is somewhat
conservative, you know), so it's still a learning experience - but I've
got it to work pretty easily and I'm just a dumb ex-WSO. And yes, I do
know how to drag a turn point around a turn-area (it's easy, really -
tell your locals to RTFM), although I think going that kind of stuff
inflight is dumb - too much heads-down time twiddling knobs (and that
would apply to any flight computer). It's another "new" change to
racing that I think is a mixed blessing.

And the new SN10 software lets you see at a glance where your nearest
landable alternates are - something the B-100 will never be able to do.

Did me one of those low passes at about 100 feet Saturday (in a Pik-20B
- wonderful little glider!) and had a blast - got so high on the pullup
I had to use most of those 90 degree flaps to get down after. My wife
thought it was pretty cool. Different strokes, etc...

66

[John Sinclair]

66,
I thought my stuff was old until I looked at P7's panel.
Seems to work for him because he earns a seat on the
US team headed for the World's every couple of years.

For a guy that proudly proclaims to be right up to
date with all the new electronic wizard'tries, why
are you stuck on an ancient finish gate and prehistoric
tasking? Is that one of them dichotomies?
JJ

[[email protected]]

If I had P7s skill I wouldn't need much on my panel either. But I do
like stuff that works. My panel is actually pretty simple, I'll send
you a picture of it.

Just because something is new doesn't mean it's better (New Coke,
anyone?). I just happen to like finish gates, and think they are more
fun and easier (and in some ways safer) than the new finish cylinders.

AAT's are Ok when used appropriately (i.e. when weather is a real
challenge) but I still prefer to RACE, which I define as everybody
going to the same turnpoints. Otherwise, it's just another XC day.

It's all fun, though.

Kirk

[Dan'l]

I have a Compaq 3000 laptop. I bought a IO Gear guc232a usb to serial
converter to upload my volkslogger. It didn't work. I then bought a
usb to serial converter from Purple Computing (the guys who have garmin
plugs for sale). If you don't use the highest speed (115k) it works
reliably for up and down loads of a volkslogger. I've never tried to
load an SN-10 but I think it would work. I'll try to find an SN-10 to
prove this.

Dan
High Flights Soaring Colorado Springs

[Tim Newport-Peace]

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Dan'l > writes
>I have a Compaq 3000 laptop. I bought a IO Gear guc232a usb to serial
>converter to upload my volkslogger. It didn't work. I then bought a
>usb to serial converter from Purple Computing (the guys who have garmin
>plugs for sale). If you don't use the highest speed (115k) it works
>reliably for up and down loads of a volkslogger. I've never tried to
>load an SN-10 but I think it would work. I'll try to find an SN-10 to
>prove this.
>
>Dan
>High Flights Soaring Colorado Springs
>
Dan, what make and model of serial converter did Purple Computing sell
you? This sort of information could be useful to others.

Best regards,

Tim Newport-Peace

"Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."

[Dan'l]

It is a "U232-P9", 4 inches long. I believe they are manufactured
specifically for them. They also sell a 6 foot cable model, but for
the laptop, that's a bit much. link to them
is:http://pfranc.com/usb/usb.mhtml#drivers ; their new driver is
"signed" by Microsoft - I continue to use the older one that wasn't,
since it works. I've also bought their do-it-yourself Garmin plugs
twice, and have been satisified with the products.

The IO Gear usb to serial, bought at best buy in Colorado, is only
useful as paperweight (if the wind is low enough...)
Dan

[Ed Davies]

Hi Dave,

You might find the thread on USB to serial adapters
and EWs in uk.rec.aviation.soaring interesting. My
most recent post there is at:

http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?db=uras&op=s2&id=22469&kw=

Ed.

[Jim White]

At 17:30 23 May 2005, Robert J. Simpson wrote:
>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> OK, this may sound silly, but can you report either
>> good or bad experiences with a SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL
>> of USB-to-serial converter ? We have many reports
>> of units that don't work properly, and a few that
>>do
>> (but not necessarily for everyone). A few specific
>> questions:
>> - what is the make and model of the converter ?
>> - did the driver install without dire warnings from
>> Windoze about 'uncertified driver' and the like ?
>> - you are using it with Windoze XP, which SP (service
>>pack) ?
>> - does your laptop sometimes crash after you 'resume'
>>?
>> - has the helpful MS site explained (after a crash)
>>that
>> you need to update the driver, and directed you to
>>a
>> site with only non-arabic characters (Japanese, Korean,
>> Chinese, or somesuch) ?
>> - have you got scary messages like 'thread stuck in
>>kernel' ?
>> - does it work reliably with SN10 PC-Link (log, database)
>>?
>> - does it work reliably with SN10 'software load'
>>?
>>
>> This should help us collate some recommendations...
>> Thanks in advance !
>> Best Regards, Dave 'YO'
>>
>
>I've just bought one from Easysync:
>
>http://www.easysync.co.uk/usbrs232_single.html
>
>
>Works fine using xp sp2 with Garmin 2 and an EW logger.
>
>Rob.
>
>
did you try it with ewview or ewuploader or both?
Jim