Re: Martin State?

[Bob Gardner]

Ask works at Potomac Approach and might know how
this is handled.

Bob Gardner

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I'm going to Baltimore in a couple of weeks and figure I'll fly into
> Martin
> State (KMTN). The approaches to 33
> (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0505/05222I33.PDF, for example) say, "Clearance
> through R-4001A/B must be obtained before using this approach." What does
> that mean to me as a pilot? Do I need to hear "cleared into R-4001,
> cleared ILS-33 approach"? That's the obvious interpretation of the note,
> but it seems rather silly.
>
> If the guy just says (as I expect him to), "cleared ILS-33", shouldn't I
> assume that I'm cleared into R-4001? as well? What's the point of the
> note
> on the plate at all?
>
> There's something strange on the plan view too. Using the SWANN IAF, I
> fly
> 360 heading to intercept the localizer, maintain 2000 until CINDI. That's
> simple enough, but what are the hash marks on the bold course line
> supposed
> to mean?

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:16:52 -0400, Roy Smith > wrote:

>I'm going to Baltimore in a couple of weeks and figure I'll fly into Martin
>State (KMTN). The approaches to 33
>(http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0505/05222I33.PDF, for example) say, "Clearance
>through R-4001A/B must be obtained before using this approach." What does
>that mean to me as a pilot? Do I need to hear "cleared into R-4001,
>cleared ILS-33 approach"? That's the obvious interpretation of the note,
>but it seems rather silly.
>
>If the guy just says (as I expect him to), "cleared ILS-33", shouldn't I
>assume that I'm cleared into R-4001? as well? What's the point of the note
>on the plate at all?
>
>There's something strange on the plan view too. Using the SWANN IAF, I fly
>360 heading to intercept the localizer, maintain 2000 until CINDI. That's
>simple enough, but what are the hash marks on the bold course line supposed
>to mean?

The hash marks symbolize that the course penetrates special use airspace
per the NACO manual.

I don't know how the process works with regard to getting clearance through
it, though.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[BillJ]

Roy Smith wrote:
> I'm going to Baltimore in a couple of weeks and figure I'll fly into Martin
> State (KMTN). The approaches to 33
> (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0505/05222I33.PDF, for example) say, "Clearance
> through R-4001A/B must be obtained before using this approach." What does
> that mean to me as a pilot? Do I need to hear "cleared into R-4001,
> cleared ILS-33 approach"? That's the obvious interpretation of the note,
> but it seems rather silly.
>
> If the guy just says (as I expect him to), "cleared ILS-33", shouldn't I
> assume that I'm cleared into R-4001? as well? What's the point of the note
> on the plate at all?
>
> There's something strange on the plan view too. Using the SWANN IAF, I fly
> 360 heading to intercept the localizer, maintain 2000 until CINDI. That's
> simple enough, but what are the hash marks on the bold course line supposed
> to mean?
I have flown into MTN many times and used ILS 33. Never have I heard any
thing about the restricted area. Don't think it is very active and not
an issue. You hear the normal clearance from Potomoc Appc.

[Brad Zeigler]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I'm going to Baltimore in a couple of weeks and figure I'll fly into
> Martin
> State (KMTN). The approaches to 33
> (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0505/05222I33.PDF, for example) say, "Clearance
> through R-4001A/B must be obtained before using this approach." What does
> that mean to me as a pilot? Do I need to hear "cleared into R-4001,
> cleared ILS-33 approach"? That's the obvious interpretation of the note,
> but it seems rather silly.

basically it means "don't expect to fly this approach if R-4001 is active.
The controller is generally responsible for keeping you out of restricted
airspace.

>
> If the guy just says (as I expect him to), "cleared ILS-33", shouldn't I
> assume that I'm cleared into R-4001? as well? What's the point of the
> note
> on the plate at all?
>
> There's something strange on the plan view too. Using the SWANN IAF, I
> fly
> 360 heading to intercept the localizer, maintain 2000 until CINDI. That's
> simple enough, but what are the hash marks on the bold course line
> supposed
> to mean?

[Tom]

R-4001A is always active (overlies Aberdeen Proving Ground), R-4001B is
only rarely active (by notam) and is the part which impacts the ILS-33
approach - your briefing should uncover this if it is active. Potomac
Approach won't mention it if 4001B is cold; they will have you use
LOC-15 if it is.