Oshkosh gate admission on Sunday 24th?

[Montblack]

I've not been to Oshkosh on the first weekend, always later in the week.

Can you walk around looking at planes (for free) on Saturday 23rd and Sunday
24th? Show opens on Monday, July 25th. When do they start charging 'gate
admission' at Oshkosh?

What's open/available the first weekend vs. what's not up and running until
Monday? Food vendors comes to mind.

BTW, in your experience, what is the best place to watch the landings on the
first weekend?

http://www.airventure.org/2005/events/daily_schedule.html
(Day by Day Schedule at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005)


Montblack

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>
> I've not been to Oshkosh on the first weekend, always later in the week.
>
> Can you walk around looking at planes (for free) on Saturday 23rd and
> Sunday 24th? Show opens on Monday, July 25th. When do they start charging
> 'gate admission' at Oshkosh?
>
> What's open/available the first weekend vs. what's not up and running
> until Monday? Food vendors comes to mind.
>
> BTW, in your experience, what is the best place to watch the landings on
> the first weekend?
>

In years past passes were required on the day prior to opening day but not
the day before that one. The passes were dated for both days, so while a
pass was required there was no additional cost if you were going to attend
opening day.

[john smith]

Montblack wrote:
> BTW, in your experience, what is the best place to watch the landings on
> the first weekend?

Jay's campsite.

[PPT33R]

Jay did have the choicest spot last year!

I'll be looking for him this year.

[Montblack]

("PPT33R" wrote)
> Jay did have the choicest spot last year!
>
> I'll be looking for him this year.


For departures yes - it was great!! But what about arrivals on Sunday late
morning, early afternoon?

Assuming somewhat calm conditions, 18/36 or 09/27 ....which would people
recommend?

If it's a coin toss, I'll hang in the N40.


Montblack

[David Odum]

"Montblack" > wrote:

>Can you walk around looking at planes (for free) on Saturday 23rd and Sunday
>24th? Show opens on Monday, July 25th. When do they start charging 'gate
>admission' at Oshkosh?

I was about to post a similar question. If I were flying to OSH as in
years past, I could arrive a few days early and have de facto access
to the grounds and flight line prior to the official opening on July
25. Unfortunately, circumstances this year force me to drive there
instead (I haven't driven to OSH in over 20 years), but I'd still like
to arrive a few days early to photograph the early arrivals such as
the en masse caravans and perhaps some big iron.

I don't mind if I have to pay for grounds access prior to July 25, I
just don't want to arrive a few days early and discover that only
those with "official" biz are permitted grounds and/or flight line
access. Anyone have the poop?

David Odum -- email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

[Dave Stadt]

"David Odum" <MyFirstName@AirplaneZone> wrote in message
...
> "Montblack" > wrote:
>
> >Can you walk around looking at planes (for free) on Saturday 23rd and
Sunday
> >24th? Show opens on Monday, July 25th. When do they start charging 'gate
> >admission' at Oshkosh?
>
> I was about to post a similar question. If I were flying to OSH as in
> years past, I could arrive a few days early and have de facto access
> to the grounds and flight line prior to the official opening on July
> 25. Unfortunately, circumstances this year force me to drive there
> instead (I haven't driven to OSH in over 20 years), but I'd still like
> to arrive a few days early to photograph the early arrivals such as
> the en masse caravans and perhaps some big iron.
>
> I don't mind if I have to pay for grounds access prior to July 25, I
> just don't want to arrive a few days early and discover that only
> those with "official" biz are permitted grounds and/or flight line
> access. Anyone have the poop?
>
> David Odum -- email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

You will have free access until Sunday. Parking is free until Monday. You
will need a wrist band starting Sunday. Bands go on sale Saturday or
Sunday. A Monday band will get you in on Sunday. Things are pretty much
wide open until the day before the start. The exhibit buildings will be off
limits until Monday morning.

[Montblack]

("Dave Stadt" wrote)
> You will have free access until Sunday. Parking is free until Monday.
> You
> will need a wrist band starting Sunday. Bands go on sale Saturday or
> Sunday. A Monday band will get you in on Sunday. Things are pretty much
> wide open until the day before the start. The exhibit buildings will be
> off
> limits until Monday morning.


N40 perimeter buses? Trams? Are food vendors open on Sunday?


Montblack

[Dave Stadt]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Dave Stadt" wrote)
> > You will have free access until Sunday. Parking is free until Monday.
> > You
> > will need a wrist band starting Sunday. Bands go on sale Saturday or
> > Sunday. A Monday band will get you in on Sunday. Things are pretty
much
> > wide open until the day before the start. The exhibit buildings will be
> > off
> > limits until Monday morning.
>
>
> N40 perimeter buses? Trams? Are food vendors open on Sunday?
>
>
> Montblack

Food services will start Sunday. Trams will start Saturday or Sunday.
Don't know about N40 bus but I would guess they will be running Sunday and
probably Saturday.

[David Odum]

"Dave Stadt" > wrote:

>You will have free access until Sunday. Parking is free until Monday. You
>will need a wrist band starting Sunday. Bands go on sale Saturday or
>Sunday. A Monday band will get you in on Sunday. Things are pretty much
>wide open until the day before the start. The exhibit buildings will be off
>limits until Monday morning.

Thanks. I'll pick up my wrist band on Saturday or Sunday, then, and
pay for the whole week at that time if permitted.

Thanks again,

David Odum -- email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

[John T]

I was on the grounds the weekend before opening, and in fact, was
allowed to ride my bike on the grounds!
Didn't try that last year, so I don't know if bikes are still allowed.

John

[John T]

I was able to get into the dealer buildings on Sunday just fine,
snooping around for a good deal on a 196.

All them said they'd wouldn't give a firm price til monday. They wanted
to check the competition...

John

[John T]

You can get a weeklong wristband.

John

[Cy Galley]

Many that arrive early, volunteer and do many of the jobs of getting ready
for the convention.
--
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot

"David Odum" <MyFirstName@AirplaneZone> wrote in message
...
> "Montblack" > wrote:
>
>>Can you walk around looking at planes (for free) on Saturday 23rd and
>>Sunday
>>24th? Show opens on Monday, July 25th. When do they start charging 'gate
>>admission' at Oshkosh?
>
> I was about to post a similar question. If I were flying to OSH as in
> years past, I could arrive a few days early and have de facto access
> to the grounds and flight line prior to the official opening on July
> 25. Unfortunately, circumstances this year force me to drive there
> instead (I haven't driven to OSH in over 20 years), but I'd still like
> to arrive a few days early to photograph the early arrivals such as
> the en masse caravans and perhaps some big iron.
>
> I don't mind if I have to pay for grounds access prior to July 25, I
> just don't want to arrive a few days early and discover that only
> those with "official" biz are permitted grounds and/or flight line
> access. Anyone have the poop?
>
> David Odum -- email: David at AirplaneZone dot com
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

>I was able to get into the dealer buildings on Sunday just fine, snooping
>around for a good deal on a 196.
>
> All them said they'd wouldn't give a firm price til monday. They wanted to
> check the competition...

Yeah, that was my experience, too. Before the show starts, the vendors are
all psyched up and cocky -- and who can blame them? Why should they give
anyone a price right before 800,000 people descend on them?

Don't expect any "deals" until mid-week. And then don't expect any really
good deals on the "hot items" (whatever they are -- it changes every year).

However, if you're looking for something that's both (a) well represented by
many vendors, and (b) not "the new thing" on the field this year (like, for
instance, and JPI EDM-700 engine analyzer) you can expect to find really
good deals in OSH.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roy Page]

I am paying my first visit to OSH this year.
What kind of good deals have been given in the past ?

--
Roy
N5804F - PA28-181 Piper Archer II

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:7Zxwe.100462$x96.75640@attbi_s72...
> >I was able to get into the dealer buildings on Sunday just fine, snooping
> >around for a good deal on a 196.
>>
>> All them said they'd wouldn't give a firm price til monday. They wanted
>> to check the competition...
>
> Yeah, that was my experience, too. Before the show starts, the vendors
> are all psyched up and cocky -- and who can blame them? Why should they
> give anyone a price right before 800,000 people descend on them?
>
> Don't expect any "deals" until mid-week. And then don't expect any really
> good deals on the "hot items" (whatever they are -- it changes every
> year).
>
> However, if you're looking for something that's both (a) well represented
> by many vendors, and (b) not "the new thing" on the field this year (like,
> for instance, and JPI EDM-700 engine analyzer) you can expect to find
> really good deals in OSH.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Jay Honeck]

>I am paying my first visit to OSH this year.
> What kind of good deals have been given in the past ?

Congratulations! You're in for the time of your life.

Let's see. I bought by first, second and third GPS's at OSH, and was able
to beat any listed price, anywhere, on each of them.

I have bought five pairs of headsets at OSH -- and have always beaten any
published price. Hell, one year the president of Lightspeed GAVE me a pair.

My JPI engine analyzer was hundreds less than any price you'll see in a
catalog, as was my Narco 810+R com radio (the digital slide-in replacement
for the venerable Narco 120).

And I'm not even mentioning all the stuff we've obtained at OSH for our
aviation theme-suite hotel. Everything from wing ribs to propellers can be
obtained for pennies on the dollar at OSH, as compared to any other source.

Best of all, you get to see/touch/feel/play/twiddle all these things BEFORE
they arrive at your door. Seeing and testing a GPS with a qualified
manufacturing rep is worth hundreds right there -- and it's simply not an
experience that can be had when you live hundreds of miles from the nearest
major metropolitan area.

Oshkosh is heaven for pilots and aircraft owners. There is no substitute --
although Sun N Fun comes pretty close.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"T o d d P a t t i s t" > wrote in message
...
> "Cy Galley" > wrote:
>
> >Many that arrive early, volunteer and do many of the jobs of getting
ready
> >for the convention.
>
> The NOTAM says it starts on Saturday morning. Is there any
> particular arrival procedure for those arriving before
> Saturday, or do you treat it like a normal class D arrival?
>
>
> T o d d P a t t i s t
> (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)
> ___
> Make a commitment to learn something from every flight.
> Share what you learn.

It will be a normal class D until the NOTAM goes into effect. I'm going in
on Friday and will probably come in on the Ripon arrival just so it feels
right.

[David J. Zera]

John,

Good Afternoon, no officially bikes and not allowed. now with that said
bring it right it!!! before it is officially opened no one will stop you, my
belief is that you will not get hassled until Monday. in my 17 years working
there I never seen a person get hassled before the official start.

Dave J. Zera
Co-Chairman
Safety / Flight line
AirVenture

"John T" > wrote in message
...
>I was on the grounds the weekend before opening, and in fact, was allowed
>to ride my bike on the grounds!
> Didn't try that last year, so I don't know if bikes are still allowed.
>
> John
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Good Afternoon, no officially bikes and not allowed. now with that said
> bring it right it!!! before it is officially opened no one will stop you,
> my belief is that you will not get hassled until Monday. in my 17 years
> working there I never seen a person get hassled before the official start.

Thanks for jumping in here, Dave.

One more question, please:

What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
> can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-)

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

[David Odum]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
>golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
>our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
>driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
>can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. :)

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

[Matt Whiting]

David Odum wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
>>What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
>>golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
>>our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
>>driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
>>can't peddle a bike to save our feet?
>
>
> Jay,
>
> I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
> well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
> the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
> for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
> road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
> during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
> weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. :)
>
> David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com
>
>

I can't believe it would be that hard to set up a bike path or two. For
that matter, they should separate the golf carts and other conveyances
from the foot traffic. This isn't rocket science to figure out and not
that hard to implement.


Matt

[Jay Honeck]

>> -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike
>> to save our feet?
>
> You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-)

Danged stupid chell-specker...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
> well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
> the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
> for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
> road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
> during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
> weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. :)

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
either end, would do the trick?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ken Finney]

"David Odum" <MyFirstName@AirplaneZone> wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> >What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've
got
> >golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run
up
> >our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy
cars"
> >driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all
week
> >can't peddle a bike to save our feet?
>
> Jay,
>
> I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
> well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
> the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
> for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
> road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
> during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
> weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. :)
>

Last year was my first time at Oshkosh, and I understand that the weather
caused the attendance to be down 5 to 10% from previous years. I sure
would have hated to see bikes in the main areas, the congestion would have
been a lot worse. Lots of trams to ride. As for the out-lying areas, I can
see that bikes could be beneficial.

[David Odum]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
>use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
>the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.
>
>By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
>far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
>like to see in greater detail.
>
>It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
>either end, would do the trick?

I feel your pain, Jay. I've done my share of schlepping around the
grounds (but starting from the south end of the field). I just don't
think a bike path is practical, and I doubt that those advocating it
here or in the RAH thread have actually given it careful
consideration. Nevertheless, I hope I am proved wrong and that a bike
path is built on the grounds some day.

It's good to know, thanks to David Zera, that bikes would likely be
permitted on the grounds prior to Sunday, July 24. In fact, based on
his information, I'll be arriving on Friday instead of Saturday. :)

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

[David J. Zera]

> What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
> golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run
> up our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy
> cars" driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40
> all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet?


Jay,

I have been told that the bikes are banned due to congestion. Those rules
come from Security
not safety. I would love to be able to take my bike out as well.... I could
use the exercise :)

Now to address your issue about the trams and the golf carts and the fat
guys on scooters ( the scooter guy is me!!! ) ^)

Convention HQ has started to move the motorized equipment off the main drag
during the prime time. They have heard the very valid
issues about the courtesy cars and other equipment VS people and they are
trying very hard to them separate.

Ps. If you see an six foot one 270 lbs guy on a scooter in the AOA area by
the showplanes in the west ramp area keeping the kids and the props
separate say hi! that will be me.!!!

Pss... I tell ya, I love what I do out there, I do believe I make a
difference but the 12 hour days can cook you.

Dave J. Zera
Co-Chairman
Safety / Flight Line

[Jay Honeck]

> Ps. If you see an six foot one 270 lbs guy on a scooter in the AOA area by
> the showplanes in the west ramp area keeping the kids and the props
> separate say hi! that will be me.!!!

Will do! And don't forget our rec.aviation party at our campsite out in
the North 40 on Wednesday after the airshow! Food, adult beverages, and
lots of hangar lying, er, flying... :-)

> Pss... I tell ya, I love what I do out there, I do believe I make a
> difference but the 12 hour days can cook you.

We all really, REALLY appreciate what you guys do, although we may not
always show it.

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"