Currency

[jamin3508]

Hi all.

My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking? I looked
through the FARS and it really says nothing about who can be with you
during the six months after the currency has expired. I would love it if
a safty pilot could go up because its a lot cheaper and we both could use
the time. Any knowledge out there about this???? Thanks!

[Jose]

> My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
> six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
> instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking?

You can have a safety pilot and do the approaches VMC and VFR.

The FARs say that you can't do IFR unless "within the preceding six
months...". This does not BTW mean that "if within the preceding six
months..." you =can= do IFR, there may be other restrctions. In fact,
there is another - it also says that, if within the preceding year, you
haven't done the approaches, you need an IPC (or ICC, whatever the
flavor of the month is).

So, if you are more than a year out of courrency, you must get an IPC.
If you are less than a year out of currency, an IPC is sufficient, but
not necessary. Only the six approaches, holds, and intercepts are.

There is no prohibition against doing approaches, holds, or intercepts
VFR with a safety pilot, no matter what your IFR currency status is.
You can count those approaches towards currency (you did in fact do
them). So, within the year, you're good to go. Outside the year, you
still have to deal with the other regulation that requires the IPC.

Jose
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[Gary Drescher]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
>> My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
>> six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
>> instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking?
>
> You can have a safety pilot and do the approaches VMC and VFR.

Yup. Or you can do the approaches IFR (either IMC, or VMC with a hood) if
you bring an instrument-current pilot who is the PIC for the flight.

--Gary

[Roy Smith]

"jamin3508" > wrote:
> My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
> six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
> instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking?

As long as you operate under VFR, you can get yourself current again with
just a safety pilot (unless the safety pilot is able and willing to act as
PIC under IFR).

[Ron Natalie]

Roy Smith wrote:
> "jamin3508" > wrote:
>
>>My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
>>six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
>>instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking?
>
>
> As long as you operate under VFR, you can get yourself current again with
> just a safety pilot (unless the safety pilot is able and willing to act as
> PIC under IFR).

At which point he's not a safety pilot, he's the pilot in command.
Safety pilots only have regulatory menaing for simulated instrument
flight.

[Peter Clark]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:32:06 -0400, Ron Natalie >
wrote:

>Roy Smith wrote:
>> "jamin3508" > wrote:
>>
>>>My currency just ran out last month and I was wondering within the next
>>>six months Im allowed to have a safty pilot with me or do I need a
>>>instructor to perform the six approches holds and tracking?
>>
>>
>> As long as you operate under VFR, you can get yourself current again with
>> just a safety pilot (unless the safety pilot is able and willing to act as
>> PIC under IFR).
>
>At which point he's not a safety pilot, he's the pilot in command.
>Safety pilots only have regulatory menaing for simulated instrument
>flight.

Isn't that what Roy already said by saying "willing to act as PIC"?

[RST Engineering]

And at which point you can no longer log instrument time/maneuvers towards
currency because the safety pilot is now PIC. The obvious exception is if
the safety pilot happens to be a CFII.

Jim
>
> At which point he's not a safety pilot, he's the pilot in command. Safety
> pilots only have regulatory menaing for simulated instrument
> flight.

[Michael]

> And at which point you can no longer log instrument time/maneuvers towards
> currency because the safety pilot is now PIC. The obvious exception is if
> the safety pilot happens to be a CFII.

Incorrect. The safety pilot is PIC, but this does not preclude the
pilot flying from logging instrument time:

61.57(c) (1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an
aircraft, performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument
conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft
for the
instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator... --
(i) At least six instrument approaches;
(ii) Holding procedures; and
(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

Note that there is no requirement to be acting as pilot in command when
the approaches are performed or logged, nor event to log the time as
PIC (although one can, as per 61.51e). Logging requirements follow:

61.51(c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in this
section may be used
to: (2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of this
part.
(g) Logging instrument flight time. (1) A person may log instrument
time only
for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by
reference
to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.

Note that there is no requirement that the person be instrument
current, or actually act as PIC, in order to log instrument time. One
need not even be rated in category, class, and type. A copilot flying
an approach in an airliner for which he lacks a type rating can still
use that approach for airplane currency, even though he only logs SIC
time (even in a single, since the recent experience requirements are
based on category only, not category, class, and type)

Michael

[Ron Natalie]

Peter Clark wrote:

>>At which point he's not a safety pilot, he's the pilot in command.
>>Safety pilots only have regulatory menaing for simulated instrument
>>flight.
>
>
> Isn't that what Roy already said by saying "willing to act as PIC"?
>

Sorry, just being overly pedantic. When he "willing acts as PIC in IFR
conditions" he isn't a safety pilot anymore.

[vincent p. norris]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:11:29 -0400, Ron Natalie >
wrote:

>Peter Clark wrote:
>
>>>At which point he's not a safety pilot, he's the pilot in command.
>>>Safety pilots only have regulatory menaing for simulated instrument
>>>flight.
>>
>> Isn't that what Roy already said by saying "willing to act as PIC"?
>>
>Sorry, just being overly pedantic. When he "willing acts as PIC in IFR
>conditions" he isn't a safety pilot anymore.

But if someone else is PIC, can the "copilot" count the approaches
toward currency?

vince norris

[Jose]

> But if someone else is PIC, can the "copilot" count the approaches
> toward currency?

Yes.

That is, if by "copilot" you mean the pilot flying - the one with his
hands on the controls, whether or not he has the final authority for the
flight.

Jose
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