Co-Pilot Needed (URGENT)

[IFR_Pilot]

Co-Pilot Needed

Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).

Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).

[[email protected]]

IFR_Pilot wrote:

> Co-Pilot Needed
>
> Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
> Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).
>
> Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
> Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).

Are meals included?

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>IFR_Pilot wrote:
>
>> Co-Pilot Needed
>>
>> Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
>> Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).
>>
>> Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
>> Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).
>
>Are meals included?

It's a piece of cake - you just go out and do a bunch of turns around the
hold waypoint (Earth) and then come back. Kind of a long EFC time,
though.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me,
_help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop.
-- Tanuki

[Ben Jackson]

On 2005-07-12, Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>
> It's a piece of cake - you just go out and do a bunch of turns around the
> hold waypoint (Earth) and then come back. Kind of a long EFC time,
> though.

Ahh, but you do it all inverted.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Blanche]

Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>In a previous article, said:
>>IFR_Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> Co-Pilot Needed
>>>
>>> Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
>>> Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).
>>>
>>> Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
>>> Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).
>>
>>Are meals included?
>
>It's a piece of cake - you just go out and do a bunch of turns around the
>hold waypoint (Earth) and then come back. Kind of a long EFC time,
>though.

"Mission Control clears SMS to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up,
Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days."

[Marco Leon]

That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
clearing the airspace?

Marco Leon

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> "Mission Control clears SMS to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up,
> Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days."
>



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[john smith]

Marco Leon wrote:
> That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
> coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
> clearing the airspace?

Cancel IFR passing through FL600 on departure and request IFR clearance
prior to descending through FL600 on return. Watch the 250 knot below
10k airspeed restriction.

[Stubby]

Marco Leon wrote:

> That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
> coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
> clearing the airspace?
>
> Marco Leon
>
> "Blanche" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Mission Control clears SMS to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up,
>>Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days."

I sure would like to have a type certificate for a space shuttle!
Their IFR flight plan must be bizarre.

[Blanche]

Stubby > wrote:
>
>Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
>> coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
>> clearing the airspace?
>
>I sure would like to have a type certificate for a space shuttle!
>Their IFR flight plan must be bizarre.


Actually, the SMS does not have a type cert. It's officially
designated a rocket, not an aircraft. I got curious about this many
years ago and called Canaveral and talked with the head of air ops.
Delightful gentleman who graciously explained it during a lengthy
conversation.

There's more details for TTS (Titusville, which is the name for
NASA Shuttle Landing Facility) at

www.airnav.com/airport/KTTS

Then there's Patrick AFB at KXMR.

[Mark Hansen]

On 7/12/2005 11:36, Stubby wrote:

>
> Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
>> coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
>> clearing the airspace?
>>
>> Marco Leon
>>
>> "Blanche" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>"Mission Control clears SMS to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up,
>>>Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days."
>
> I sure would like to have a type certificate for a space shuttle!
> Their IFR flight plan must be bizarre.

The IFR flight plan is so you can play nice in the system with
everyone else. Given the Shuttle is the only vehicle in their
system, they don't have to play nice with anybody.

On the return flight, they're probably told:

"... if anyone gets in your airspace, give 'em the finger"

;-)

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

[john smith]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> "... if anyone gets in your airspace, give 'em the finger"

Subject: History of the middle finger
Well, now, here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it,
I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the
hope that they, too, will feel edified.
Isn't history more fun when you know something about it?

Giving the Finger

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory
over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured
English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to
draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be incapable
of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act
of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or "pluck yew").

Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset
and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the
defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! "PLUCK YEW!"

Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant
cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental
fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with! the
one-finger-salute!
It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the
longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird."

And you thought yew knew everything!

[Peter R.]

john smith > wrote:

> Subject: History of the middle finger

Yet another urban legend:

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm

--
Peter
























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[Jimmy B.]

Marco Leon wrote:
> That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
> coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
> clearing the airspace?
>
> Marco Leon

There is a huge restricted airspace east of Canaveral. It's active for
several hours before the shuttle comes down. I believe the inner slice
is ground to FL600 and the outer slice is ground to infinite.

Basically, the shuttle never comes withing 25 miles of another aircraft
coming down.
>
> "Blanche" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Mission Control clears SMS to Canaveral via thrust vectors, Up,
>>Hold Earth, right turns, expect further clearance in ten days."
>>
>
>
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[Roy Smith]

In article >,
john smith > wrote:
>Mark Hansen wrote:
>> "... if anyone gets in your airspace, give 'em the finger"
>
>Subject: History of the middle finger
>Well, now, here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it,
>I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the
>hope that they, too, will feel edified.
>Isn't history more fun when you know something about it?
>
>Giving the Finger

Good try, but seems to be an urban legend:

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm

[Roy Smith]

Jimmy B. > wrote:
>There is a huge restricted airspace east of Canaveral. It's active for
>several hours before the shuttle comes down. I believe the inner slice
>is ground to FL600 and the outer slice is ground to infinite.

I'm sure the distinction is very important to all of us who fly things
capable of getting above FL600 :-)

[Robert M. Gary]

No type certificate required for gov't owned/operated aircraft. Public
owned aircraft don't have the same FAA pilot requirements. This applies
to military as well. Any gov't agency may decide FAA type ratings are
required for their agency though.

[Robert M. Gary]

Calling the shuttle a "glider" is a bit of a stretch. It basically
comes straight down. Your Cessna in a red line power on nose dive could
never keep up with the rate of decent. There is the approach plate out
there for the space shuttle. As I recall, it turns base at about 30,000
feet. I'm sure it easily stays over 60,000 outside the Edwards
airspace.

-Robert

[Wizard of Draws]

On 7/12/05 7:44 AM, in article , "IFR_Pilot"
> spewed:

> Co-Pilot Needed
>
> Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
> Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).
>
> Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
> Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).
>
>
Do you need a current medical? Just asking for Dudley.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

[Ed]

Is there a website you can go to self-test for a sense of humor?

> Good try, but seems to be an urban legend:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm

[Ed]

Might need renters insurance too.

"Wizard of Draws" > wrote in
message news:BEF9D20F.80DAF%jeffbTAKEOUTALLCAPS@TOEMAILwiz ardofdraws.com...
> On 7/12/05 7:44 AM, in article , "IFR_Pilot"
> > spewed:
>
>> Co-Pilot Needed
>>
>> Urgent - for 12-day, long-range mission Departure tomorrow!
>> Space shuttle experience appreciated, but not necessary (will train).
>>
>> Pay scale : $12.50/hour (no shuttle time)
>> Up to $18.00/hour (type rated and current).
>>
>>
> Do you need a current medical? Just asking for Dudley.
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
>
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> http://www.wizardofdraws.com
>
> More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> http://www.cartoonclipart.com
>

[Matt Barrow]

"Ed" > wrote in message
. ..
> Is there a website you can go to self-test for a sense of humor?

Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL as
those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.


> > Good try, but seems to be an urban legend:
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm
>
>

[Roy Smith]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL as
> those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.

Would you put more faith in it if I could find a Wikipedia article on the
subject? :-)

[Matt Barrow]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> > Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL as
> > those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.
>
> Would you put more faith in it if I could find a Wikipedia article on the
> subject? :-)

Well, first of all, if you did provide such EVIDENCE (_real_ evidence, not
flatulent opinions ..especially opinions using selective data), I'd no
longer have to take it on "faith", right. So right there your credibility is
a bit stunted as you don't apparently comprehend what constitutes a proper
epistemology or method.

Secondly, I've seen stuff on Wikipedia (an open encyclopedia) that was
dubious. Noam Chomsky comes to mind.

Thirdly, well, I guess you are just an example of the former. :~)

[Matt Barrow]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roy Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> > > Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL
as
> > > those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.
> >
> > Would you put more faith in it if I could find a Wikipedia article on
the
> > subject? :-)
>
> Well, first of all, if you did provide such EVIDENCE (_real_ evidence, not
> flatulent opinions ..especially opinions using selective data), I'd no
> longer have to take it on "faith", right. So right there your credibility
is
> a bit stunted as you don't apparently comprehend what constitutes a proper
> epistemology or method.
>
> Secondly, I've seen stuff on Wikipedia (an open encyclopedia) that was
> dubious. Noam Chomsky comes to mind.
>
> Thirdly, well, I guess you are just an example of the former. :~)
>
Addendum:

You still haven't addressed that many Urban Legends are lame attempts at
humor.

[Jay Beckman]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Calling the shuttle a "glider" is a bit of a stretch. It basically
> comes straight down. Your Cessna in a red line power on nose dive could
> never keep up with the rate of decent. There is the approach plate out
> there for the space shuttle. As I recall, it turns base at about 30,000
> feet. I'm sure it easily stays over 60,000 outside the Edwards
> airspace.
>
> -Robert
>

IIRC,

The Shuttle Landing Trainer is a clip-winged Gulfstream that is flown at or
slightly above gross weight and it glides like a brick.

Saw in interview with a former Shuttle astronaut (didn't catch his name,
sorry) on CNN today who said that, back in the day, he flew over 1,000
approaches in the SLT Gulfstream while prepping for a flight.

Jay B

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Beckman" > said:
>The Shuttle Landing Trainer is a clip-winged Gulfstream that is flown at or
>slightly above gross weight and it glides like a brick.

I was under the impression that the SLT flies with thrust reversers on.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Violence, rude language, excessive drinking, paganism. It's hard to
find children's books like that these days.
-- Stig Morten Valstad

[Roy Smith]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote:
> The Shuttle Landing Trainer is a clip-winged Gulfstream that is flown at or
> slightly above gross weight and it glides like a brick.

I read an article about that once. If memory serves, it's got more mods
than just cliped wings. The use reverse thrust on the engines in flight to
get the (lack of) glide characteristics they need.

[xyzzy]

Matt Barrow wrote:

> "Roy Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>>
>>>Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL as
>>>those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.
>>
>>Would you put more faith in it if I could find a Wikipedia article on the
>>subject? :-)
>
>
> Well, first of all, if you did provide such EVIDENCE (_real_ evidence, not
> flatulent opinions ..especially opinions using selective data), I'd no
> longer have to take it on "faith", right. So right there your credibility is
> a bit stunted as you don't apparently comprehend what constitutes a proper
> epistemology or method.
>
> Secondly, I've seen stuff on Wikipedia (an open encyclopedia) that was
> dubious. Noam Chomsky comes to mind.
>
> Thirdly, well, I guess you are just an example of the former. :~)
>

I think what Matt is trying to say in so many words is that for him to
believe it, you'll have to get Rush Limbaugh to say it.

HTH.

[Matt Barrow]

"xyzzy" > wrote in message
...
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> > "Roy Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Unfortunately not...and there are a lot of "humor challenged" AS WELL
as
> >>>those that think if it's not on SNOPES it must be true.
> >>
> >>Would you put more faith in it if I could find a Wikipedia article on
the
> >>subject? :-)
> >
> >
> > Well, first of all, if you did provide such EVIDENCE (_real_ evidence,
not
> > flatulent opinions ..especially opinions using selective data), I'd no
> > longer have to take it on "faith", right. So right there your
credibility is
> > a bit stunted as you don't apparently comprehend what constitutes a
proper
> > epistemology or method.
> >
> > Secondly, I've seen stuff on Wikipedia (an open encyclopedia) that was
> > dubious. Noam Chomsky comes to mind.
> >
> > Thirdly, well, I guess you are just an example of the former. :~)
> >
>
> I think what Matt is trying to say in so many words is that for him to
> believe it, you'll have to get Rush Limbaugh to say it.
>

I think you are a pompous ass and totally full of ****. Based on this last,
it's proven AFAIC.

AMF.

[plonk]

[Ross Richardson]

Interesting that the airport is "Open to the public" but has "- RSTD:
OFFL BUS ONLY. FOR PPR FONE C321-867-2100. AFLD UNATTENDED HOL." in the
Remarks section.


Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Blanche wrote:
> Stubby > wrote:
>
>>Marco Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That actually brings up an interesting point. Does anyone know what
>>>coordination needs to happen with the FAA? Are they even involved other than
>>>clearing the airspace?
>>
>>I sure would like to have a type certificate for a space shuttle!
>>Their IFR flight plan must be bizarre.
>
>
>
> Actually, the SMS does not have a type cert. It's officially
> designated a rocket, not an aircraft. I got curious about this many
> years ago and called Canaveral and talked with the head of air ops.
> Delightful gentleman who graciously explained it during a lengthy
> conversation.
>
> There's more details for TTS (Titusville, which is the name for
> NASA Shuttle Landing Facility) at
>
> www.airnav.com/airport/KTTS
>
> Then there's Patrick AFB at KXMR.
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Jay Beckman]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Jay Beckman" > said:
>>The Shuttle Landing Trainer is a clip-winged Gulfstream that is flown at
>>or
>>slightly above gross weight and it glides like a brick.
>
> I was under the impression that the SLT flies with thrust reversers on.

You are correct. I double checked and they do use the reversers in flight
to give the proper descent profile.

Jay B

[John R. Copeland]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message =
...
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote:
>> The Shuttle Landing Trainer is a clip-winged Gulfstream that is flown =
at or=20
>> slightly above gross weight and it glides like a brick.
>=20
> I read an article about that once. If memory serves, it's got more =
mods=20
> than just cliped wings. The use reverse thrust on the engines in =
flight to=20
> get the (lack of) glide characteristics they need.

I don't think the G-II wings were clipped, but there is a pair of =
ventral fins
added under the fuselage to make lateral stability more like the =
shuttle's.
They use up to 90% thrust in reverse, and fly about a 20=BA glide slope,
with a 14000 fpm rate of descent.

There's a photograph of the Shuttle Training Aircraft in this good =
article:
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/ncof/lo_nfm05.htm

During the orbit prior to the shuttle's re-entry burn,
one of the other astronauts runs approach after approach,
starting from somewhere around FL300,
getting all the speed-brake settings just right for the existing wind =
profile,
so the shuttle pilot won't have to guess at much.
While the shuttle is undergoing re-entry, the G-II pilot will make
at least one more "proof" run to verify that all the settings are still =
satisfactory.
There would still be time to send up any needed final tweaks.