Fair Share

[Mike Granby]

I flew to a fly-in today with my two sons (aged 1 and 2) and two adult
coworkers. My buddies want to pay their fair share, but as I private
pilot I am obviously limited under FAR 61.118 as to what I can accept.
So, what share of the direct costs should I take from each coworker?
33%? 20%? Or their weight divided by the total weight of all pax? :)

[JohnH]

Mike Granby wrote:
> I flew to a fly-in today with my two sons (aged 1 and 2) and two adult
> coworkers. My buddies want to pay their fair share, but as I private
> pilot I am obviously limited under FAR 61.118 as to what I can accept.
> So, what share of the direct costs should I take from each coworker?
> 33%? 20%? Or their weight divided by the total weight of all pax? :)

Go for 20% and accept more ;)


Has anyone in the history of aviation ever been audited for this? I mean
really....

[Mike Granby]

Well, quite, I don't expect an audit.

Just delighting in the minute details of the rules! :)

[TaxSrv]

"JohnH" wrote:
>
> Has anyone in the history of aviation ever been audited for this? I
mean
> really....
>
FAA only maybe responds to informants, like after you ****ed off one
of your coworkers enough, and he knows you've done wrong and that FAA
even enforces stuff which will sound dinky to them. That can't happen
if you tell them simply that FAA rules say that the adults share the
costs, should they offer more than 33. They won't be aware of the FAR
which states every pilot's rule interpretation must be 100% accurate.
:-)

Fred F.

[Jon Kraus]

You can have your two co-wrokers each "contribute" one-third.

Jon Kraus

Mike Granby wrote:
> I flew to a fly-in today with my two sons (aged 1 and 2) and two adult
> coworkers. My buddies want to pay their fair share, but as I private
> pilot I am obviously limited under FAR 61.118 as to what I can accept.
> So, what share of the direct costs should I take from each coworker?
> 33%? 20%? Or their weight divided by the total weight of all pax? :)
>

[Mike Granby]

Someone on another forum just pointed out that the rules says that a
pilot must not pay less than his fair share. Thus, I could pay 20%, and
let the pax decide how to split the 80% between them. I'm sure my
co-workers would agree with the kids that the adults should pay, so by
taking the kids along, I can collect 80% instead of just 66%. Better
get working on some more...... :)

[Doug Semler]

In oups.com,
Mike Granby > slavered, and posted this:
> Someone on another forum just pointed out that the rules says that a
> pilot must not pay less than his fair share. Thus, I could pay 20%, and
> let the pax decide how to split the 80% between them. I'm sure my
> co-workers would agree with the kids that the adults should pay, so by
> taking the kids along, I can collect 80% instead of just 66%. Better
> get working on some more...... :)


??? Your math needs a bit of work. Since you are legally responsible for
the children, your "fair share" would be 60% (3/5) of the cost. I don't
think child labor laws allow 1 and 2 year old children to work off the
debt...and since they can't enter into a legal contract, you can't get an
"IOU" from them for the flights :)


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[Jay Honeck]

> Just delighting in the minute details of the rules! :)

That's a sickness, you know...

;-)
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[Mike Granby]

They are seperate persons, and they can enter into contracts; such
contracts just can't be enforced against them! Since someone else would
be paying for them out of their choice, they'd be no need to enforce
anything. As to working it off, well, we'll add it to their chores list
when they're a little older...... :)

[Jon Kraus]

< snip >

so by taking the kids along, I can collect 80% instead of just 66%.

Yea and in the process screw yourself because you would be covering your
kids share. I never include kids in the "pay your fair share"
calculation. :-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

[[email protected]]

Who says you have to pay for your kids?
Let your friends pay for them :-)

I've never heard of anybody getting officially questioned about this,
anybody else?

Dave
Jon Kraus wrote:
> < snip >
>
> so by taking the kids along, I can collect 80% instead of just 66%.
>
> Yea and in the process screw yourself because you would be covering your
> kids share. I never include kids in the "pay your fair share"
> calculation. :-)
>
> Jon Kraus
> '79 Mooney 201
> 4443H @ TYQ
>

[Sylvain]

wrote:

> I've never heard of anybody getting officially questioned about this,
> anybody else?

I see two aspects to the questions; on the one hand, the
aspect already discussed in this thread of keeping the FAA
happy, and on the other hand, etiquette; I have been
a little peeved (once or twice :-) by passengers who
agree on sharing the cost of a flight, but don't quite
grasp that their SO or buddies should count as full shares
(but I digress)

--Sylvain

[Mike Granby]

I don't have to pay for the kids. The rule says that "[a] private pilot
may not pay less than the pro rata share of the operating expenses of a
flight with passengers [...]" It doesn't say anything about who pays
the rest. As long as I pay 20%, the pax can divide the rest up among
themselves as they like.

[Jon Kraus]

If your pax are willing to throw in your kids' part then I'd hold on to
them as my dearest friends. I don't know many folks who would do that...

Like I said it is easier to just divide it up between the adults but to
each his own...

Jon Kraus

Mike Granby wrote:

> I don't have to pay for the kids. The rule says that "[a] private pilot
> may not pay less than the pro rata share of the operating expenses of a
> flight with passengers [...]" It doesn't say anything about who pays
> the rest. As long as I pay 20%, the pax can divide the rest up among
> themselves as they like.
>

[Mike Granby]

Well, since I'm covering all the non-direct costs that Part 61 won't
let me claim back...

[Drew Dalgleish]

Just tell them how much it cost and that you'll take whatever they
think is fair. You'll almost always come out ahead that way. Just
don't give receipts and accept only cash.

>
>I flew to a fly-in today with my two sons (aged 1 and 2) and two adult
>coworkers. My buddies want to pay their fair share, but as I private
>pilot I am obviously limited under FAR 61.118 as to what I can accept.
>So, what share of the direct costs should I take from each coworker?
>33%? 20%? Or their weight divided by the total weight of all pax? :)
>

[Jon Kraus]

Point taken...

Jon Kraus

Mike Granby wrote:

> Well, since I'm covering all the non-direct costs that Part 61 won't
> let me claim back...
>

[tony roberts]

You could try the BS the Pax technique :)
Pax know zip, so
Tell them the aircraft costs $600 per hour to operate,
They each dutifully pay their third,
You say thanks, and now you have two good and true citizens who will
vouch that they each paid one third :)

And that advice only cost you 10% - you're making money everywhere :)

Tony

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Tony Roberts
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Cessna 172H C-GICE


In article . com>,
"Mike Granby" > wrote:

> I flew to a fly-in today with my two sons (aged 1 and 2) and two adult
> coworkers. My buddies want to pay their fair share, but as I private
> pilot I am obviously limited under FAR 61.118 as to what I can accept.
> So, what share of the direct costs should I take from each coworker?
> 33%? 20%? Or their weight divided by the total weight of all pax? :)