Lost flight plans

[Dan Luke]

The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
computers.

Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

--

Dan
C172RG at BFM

[John Doe]

I used it last week and it worked fine.

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened, and
> it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different computers.
>
> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>
> --
>
> Dan
> C172RG at BFM
>

[Peter R.]

Dan Luke > wrote:

> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
> and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
> computers.
>
> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

In the tradition of asking, "is the computer plugged in," how do you know
the flight plans were lost? Are you sure it wasn't a zulu/local time
mistake that led to the flight plan not being available to the controller?

I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet available
to the controller.

--
Peter


















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[Lynne]

Sounds like operator error.

[Maule Driver]

BTW, a great little writeup on filing IFR plans using DUATs in AOPA this
month. It was one of those monthly inserts on using DUATS. Learned stuff.

Dan Luke wrote:
> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
> and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
> computers.
>
> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>

[Scott D]

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>computers.
>
>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.


Scott D.

[Newps]

Peter R. wrote:

>
> I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and preflight
> much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
> discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
> am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
> estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet available
> to the controller.

Another difference with DUATS and AFSS filed flight plans is with an
AFSS filed flight plan I have access to it immediately via the Tower's
FDIO. A DUATs flightplan doesn't get sent to the center immediately
therefore when you show up early I have no access to your flightplan
because it isn't in the system yet.

[Steven Barnes]

<Scott D> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> > wrote:
>
> >The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> >was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> >Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
> >and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
> >computers.
> >
> >Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>
> As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
> them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
> was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
> refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>
>
> Scott D.

Did one last night for a flight today. No problem.

[Allan9]

In the old days it would be held in "temporary storage" at the flight plans
originating computer. It would then be printed out at the sector and
terminal facility approximately 30 minutes prior to the Proposed Departure
time. This was a site paramater that could be adjusted. Now it also may
have parameters from the DUATS.

Al

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Peter R. wrote:
>
>>
>> I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
>> preflight
>> much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
>> discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
>> am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
>> estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
>> available
>> to the controller.
>
> Another difference with DUATS and AFSS filed flight plans is with an AFSS
> filed flight plan I have access to it immediately via the Tower's FDIO. A
> DUATs flightplan doesn't get sent to the center immediately therefore when
> you show up early I have no access to your flightplan because it isn't in
> the system yet.

[Allan9]

If the first flight plan were still active in the system any subsequent
would possibly not be available since two clearances/active flight plans
cannot be active with the same aircraft identification
Al

<Scott D> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> > wrote:
>
>>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>>computers.
>>
>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>
> As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
> them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
> was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
> refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>
>
> Scott D.

[Dan Luke]

> Peter R. wrote:
>
>>
>> I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
>> preflight
>> much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
>> discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me
>> that I
>> am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
>> estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
>> available
>> to the controller.

<piggybacking - Peter R's post did not appear on my server>

I filed both these plans more than two hours prior to departure time,
and did not attempt to leave early.

--

Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Dan Luke]

<Scott D> wrote:

>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>
> As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
> them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
> was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
> refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.

Do you use the Cirrus interface software? I don't see how this could be
the problem, but I don't know what else it could be, either.

--

Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"Lynne" wrote:

> Sounds like operator error.

Why?

DUATS accepted the plans. The summaries printed back correctly.

--

Dan
C172RG at BFM

[John Doe]

<Scott D> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> > wrote:
>
>>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>>computers.
>>
>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>
> As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
> them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
> was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
> refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>

Now that I've had happen several times. The system does not seem to like
multiple flight plans in the system at the same time. I'm sure someone
smarter on the flight plan system can explain why.

[Peter Clark]

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:46:24 GMT, "John Doe" > wrote:

>
><Scott D> wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>>>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>>>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>>>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>>>computers.
>>>
>>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>>
>> As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
>> them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
>> was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
>> refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>>
>
>Now that I've had happen several times. The system does not seem to like
>multiple flight plans in the system at the same time. I'm sure someone
>smarter on the flight plan system can explain why.

Strange, I've filed many plans simultaneously with 30min gaps between
the ETA of one plan and the departure time of the next without issue.
By the time I get there, top off, and call up clearance they're
waiting to give me the next route. Many a day I do 2 plans for a
quick-turn flight. I've done 3 plans at once for currency flights.
Even did 4 plans for a 10hr day once, filed all of them before I left
the hotel in the morning. Haven't had one disappear. Course, YMMV.

[Allan9]

That was one thing that used to happen
Al

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Peter R. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
>>> preflight
>>> much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
>>> discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that
>>> I
>>> am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
>>> estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
>>> available
>>> to the controller.
>
> <piggybacking - Peter R's post did not appear on my server>
>
> I filed both these plans more than two hours prior to departure time, and
> did not attempt to leave early.
>
> --
>
> Dan
> C172RG at BFM
>

[Scott D]

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:23:12 GMT, "Allan9" > wrote:

>If the first flight plan were still active in the system any subsequent
>would possibly not be available since two clearances/active flight plans
>cannot be active with the same aircraft identification
>Al
>
I have filed many of times with multiple plans at once. This was the
first time it had ever happened to me and thought it was strange that
someone had posted with the same problem. When I plan a multiple leg
flight with fuel stops, I place in there atleast a 30 min window for
fuel and whatever else may pop up. I don't use the Cirrus software. I
just do everything direct on DUATS. Once I get all my flight plans
in, I then go to the main menu and have it display all flight plans
for the plane. It will then bring up a screen of all plans that have
been filed so I know that they took. I then print that sheet off.
Something happend between DUATS and the FAA. But, like I said, this
was the first time and it was really no big deal to refile, since I
did have the sheet with the original plans, I just read it back to
them.

Scott D.

[Peter R.]

Dan Luke > wrote:

> "Lynne" wrote:
>
>> Sounds like operator error.
>
> Why?
>
> DUATS accepted the plans. The summaries printed back correctly.

She/he is probably implying some type of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)
error.

--
Peter

[Ross Richardson]

Not the few I have done..


Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Dan Luke wrote:
> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
> and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
> computers.
>
> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>

[Ross Richardson]

I have filed multiple and for the same day. The second departure is much
later thant the ETA. All were in the system.

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


John Doe wrote:
> <Scott D> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>>>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>>>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>>>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>>>computers.
>>>
>>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>>
>>As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
>>them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
>>was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
>>refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>>
>
>
> Now that I've had happen several times. The system does not seem to like
> multiple flight plans in the system at the same time. I'm sure someone
> smarter on the flight plan system can explain why.
>
>
>

[Allan9]

In the past being in the system and being "active" were two different
animals
Al

"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
...
>I have filed multiple and for the same day. The second departure is much
>later thant the ETA. All were in the system.
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI
>
>
> John Doe wrote:
>> <Scott D> wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:10:50 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>>>>was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>>>>Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>>>>and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>>>>computers.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, that happend to me yesterday. I filed three of
>>>them. One from COS to LBF, LBF to ICT, ICT back to COS. The first one
>>>was there but when I went open the other two, they were gone. Had to
>>>refile. And this was the first time I had ever had DUATS fail me.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Now that I've had happen several times. The system does not seem to like
>> multiple flight plans in the system at the same time. I'm sure someone
>> smarter on the flight plan system can explain why.
>>
>>

[Judah]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in news:11emo1rrop9tn28
@news.supernews.com:

> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
> and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
> computers.
>
> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>

Perhaps they converted DUATS to Windows.

[Mark]

I filed from N07 to KACY and back last weekend and the N07 to KACY leg was
fine but the KACY to N07 got lost. Fortunately the nice folks at ACY
approach plopped a plan in for me on the spot.

mark

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Dan Luke" > wrote in news:11emo1rrop9tn28
> @news.supernews.com:
>
>> The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
>> was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
>> Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
>> and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
>> computers.
>>
>> Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?
>>
>
> Perhaps they converted DUATS to Windows.