Oshkosh Reflections

[Jay Honeck]

One of the problems with a 1 gig camera memory card is that it is possible
to take virtually unlimited pictures at OSH. If you figure it takes a
minimum of 1 minute per pic to look at, adjust, and save -- and I took 250
photos -- we're looking at a minimum of four hours just to save the pix onto
my computer!

Then they must be resized, captions added, webpages created... Sheesh, in
the old days, I sent the film canister into the processing place, and a few
days later -- voila! -- I had my pix... But I digress.

I will have a full write-up on our Oshkosh experience in a day or three --
with pix -- but I want to make a few points about OSH while they are still
fresh in my memory.

The Best of Times:
***************************
1. Our Iowa City fly-in pool party was a real gas, and -- with temperatures
approaching 100 degrees -- the pool was actually *used* throughout the day,
rather than being merely a pretty prop. (And stay tuned for pix of the
DOUBLE CANNON-BALL JUMP, executed by none other than our own Jim Weir and
John Osterhout!)

2. FREE BIKES! Goodwill (yes, *that* Goodwill) has revolutionized Oshkosh
for us. Here's how:

They have built a new Goodwill Store adjacent to the North 40 camping area.
On our first day at the show, we hiked over to the Pick N Save for supplies,
only to walk past dozens of used bicycles -- all on sale for (get this!) $10
apiece!

These weren't junkers -- there were 10-speed racers, mountain bikes, bikes
for the kids -- and all in good working order. Needless to say, we
immediately picked out four of them, paid our $40, and spent the next seven
days riding our bikes EVERYWHERE, in comfort, speed and (sorta) style.

In fact, we only rode the internal North 40 bus once, and that was only to
be sociable with folks who didn't have bikes. It was ASTOUNDING how much
this single act saved our feet and legs -- Oshkosh was never better, and my
feet were barely stressed by the end of the week!

Then -- best of all -- on our last day, we returned the bikes to the
Goodwill store, and they gave us a receipt for a $40 tax write-off! Free
bikes for the week!

3. THE SHOW. I've grown pretty jaded with the Oshkosh air shows, after 22
years. And with the loss of the "Masters of Disaster" it promised to be
pretty lame.

Not! Although not technically a part of the air show, the arrival of "White
Knight" with "SpaceShipOne" on its back, ranks high up as one of the most
thrilling moments at OSH. The Concorde arrival, the Voyager fly over, the
first appearance of the F-117 Stealth, and the SR-71 in OSH are the only
events that come close.

Global Flyer was pretty cool too -- and the flights of "Glacier Girl"
brought a tear to my eye. (And, best of all, the pilot wasn't babying that
ol' P-38. There were some high-G turns, steep pull-ups, and a few "Heritage
Flights" with dissimilar aircraft -- all of which must have had their
insurance agent crapping his pants... :-)

4. THE PEOPLE As always, Oshkosh was about airplanes and the people who
fly them. And what a bunch of people they are! For an entire week we were
immersed in the whole aviation experience, and the people we met -- from the
84 year old former WASP, to the Usenet lurkers at the rec.aviation party, to
Paul Poberezney himself -- EVERYONE was outstanding.

This extended to celebrities as well. One morning we found ourselves eating
breakfast at the Hilton, one table away from Harrison Ford, his kid, and his
wife, (who everyone tells me is Callista Flockhart? She looks starved!).

I am proud to say that -- with the exception of one guy and his son, who
begged an autograph -- NO ONE bothered the man. He was able to eat his eggs
and read "Airventure Today" just like the rest of us, enjoying the fly-in
and not (for once, I'm sure) being "Han Solo" or "Indiana Jones" for the
public. (This was truly a test of character for my 14 year old son, who
idolizes the man, but he came through without making a scene!)

5. The REC.AVIATION PARTY. On Wednesday night, we held our third annual
cookout/party at our campsite in the North 40. With the incredible help of
Jim & Tami Burns, and the inimitable Montblack, we were able to feed and
entertain 50 people from all over the world. Chris Blythe and his son were
there from jolly old England, Blanche Cohen was there from Colorado, the
Allison Brothers and the Weirs were there from the Left Coast, and Margy
Natalie was there from the Eastern Seaboard.

And folks were there from everywhere in between. Jim C, Edwin and Jim were
there from down South, Aaron Coolidge was there from, well, wherever Aaron
was from, Eric Rood was there (with some little French girl pilot who he
SWEARS is just a "friend" :-) -- and dozens of others were there from all
over the country.

It was a wonderful, happy, special evening, and everyone had a great time --
especially Mary and me!

The Worst of Times
*********************

1. No Bikes on the Grounds. I understand that bikes amongst the planes
could be a disaster -- but why not a "bikes only" path from the western part
of the North 40 (say, roughly near the shower building) running straight
South to the Ultralight area?

This path, located maybe 1/2 mile West of the flight line, would, of course,
have to cross the main roads into Airventure, from the main entrance all the
way down to the Ultralights. This "express bike lane" to the air show from
the North/South camping areas would REALLY help get us to the flight line,
the museum, and *might* even allow us to attend the "Theater In The Woods"
presentations each night.

2. SCOOTERS! This has already been beaten to death in another thread, but
what the hell is up with these things? We went from having NO scooters to
having hundreds of them, many driven by untrained, uncouth, inconsiderate
asses. Each day we had to dodge these damned things, and I was always
concerned about having one running over my toes -- or my children.

3. Golf carts/Gators/Cars -- This has become an OSH cliché, but JEESUS H
CRIMMINY -- are there *really* that many VIPS in OSH that require their own
cart/gator/car?

We had no problem forgiving the gators full of pop and ice, on a mission to
replenish the on-field restaurants, or the golf carts full of tired North 40
campers (being picked up by "ambassadors" who were simply outstanding) --
but that doesn't explain the other 80%. Why are we CONSTANTLY being run
down by these people?

4. Food/Supplies. Once again, there were no provisions made for the campers
in the North 40. Why?

There used to be a camp store in the Warbirds area that charged outrageous
prices for the basics -- but at least it was there. We were able to buy
coffee, ice, soda, and breakfast items without hiking off-field. I'm sure
the logistics of a store with a one-week lifespan are daunting, but, damn,
with Piggly Wiggly gone it's a LONG ways to Pick N Save!

5. NO SMALL VENDORS. As Jim Weir pointed out, there are damned few
innovative vendors left on the field, simply because EAA has priced them out
of the market. Where were the little guys who were selling cool stuff?
Where was AvTek, with their slick wig-wag flasher for my wing tip landing
lights? Where was Dick Russ, with his innovative door seal for Cherokees?
Where was the guy who refurbishes shoulder harness inertial reels --
something that almost every 1970s-vintage aircraft could use?

Hell, where was Airtex interiors? They're not exactly small potatoes. And
how about Plane Plastics? Or the guys who make custom panels?

No where to be found -- all priced off the field, I suspect. We need to get
them back! EAA, are you listening?

6. POLITICS IN THE AIRSHOW. With the "Masters of Disaster" out of the
picture, you'd think that EAA would have an opportunity to bring in some of
the up-and-comers in the airshow industry. Skip Stewart, with his
incredibly innovative act (motorcycles jumping his airplane, while he cuts
through a ribbon!), comes to mind.

Instead, Sean Tucker wielded his clout to get his son's act in the show, the
aptly named "Stars of Tomorrow" (or something like that). They weren't
bad -- but it's pretty clear (after talking with some of Skip's sponsors)
that Tucker doesn't want his "heir apparent" to be anyone outside the
family...

All in all, griping aside (and they are small gripes, indeed) it was our
best Airventure yet. Packing up our tent and pulling the plane out of the
emptying rows in the North 40 becomes harder each year, and this year was
especially difficult. We just simply did NOT want it all to end, and it was
with a thick lump in my throat that we said goodbye to Oshkosh for another
year.

Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> One of the problems with a 1 gig camera memory card is that it is possible
> to take virtually unlimited pictures at OSH. If you figure it takes a
> minimum of 1 minute per pic to look at, adjust, and save -- and I took 250
> photos -- we're looking at a minimum of four hours just to save the pix onto
> my computer!
I just hope the air to air pics didn't end up in the bit bucket :-) For
those that don't know, Jay/Mary, Me/Steve, Jim/Gail and Edwin/Jim
departed IOW for OSH and tried flying in together. First, we left
Edwin/Jim in the dust as the rest of us were in the air before they
started to taxi. Next, Jim W's BlueOnBlue182 vanished from sight. He
was about four miles ahead of us and I swear he turned on the cloaking
device. Poof, no more 182 ahead. Fortunately, we had Jay and Mary in
sight. Mary did a great job of making a few close passes for some photos.

>
> Then they must be resized, captions added, webpages created... Sheesh, in
> the old days, I sent the film canister into the processing place, and a few
> days later -- voila! -- I had my pix... But I digress.
Don't feel bad Jay, Mine are still in the camera. Then again, I'm
having some computer issues as my laptop doesn't want to run for more
than 15 minutes after it boots (or rather, *if* it boots).

> 1. Our Iowa City fly-in pool party was a real gas, and -- with temperatures
> approaching 100 degrees
You know, the 105 temperatures I left behind in CA felt *much* better
than the weather in IOW and OSH the first couple of days. Ditto on the
pool party gas factor. It was great to see the Alexis Park Inn, see the
mighty grape in action, choose from way too many runways to land on (no,
wait, I mean find the airport in the crummy visibility when we landed).

> This extended to celebrities as well. One morning we found ourselves eating
> breakfast at the Hilton, one table away from Harrison Ford
Reminds me of two years ago at the Hilton when Steve said "Hey, I think
that's Bud Anderson sitting behind you". It was and folks were treating
him like a regular person as well

> 5. The REC.AVIATION PARTY.
I think we have the official food/beverage committee. Last year, Paul
knocks himself out with all the food/equipment. This year, it gets even
better with Jim and Tami getting involved. You guys went way above and
beyond. Everything was great. Missed out on a potato...but probably
was a good thing since I was absolutely stuffed.

> the Allison Brothers and the Weirs were there from the Left Coast,
Wow, we made the list! :-)

> Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!
While far from certain, preliminary indications look like a two ship
Allison brother convoy with spouses. Now, the big question is this:
Will Steve be renting? :-) Ok, second big question: Can we sell the
spouses on camping in the North-40?

It was a great week. I'm glad I'm taking a second week of time off from
work so that I can recover, change the oil in 04T and pay a visit to the
wash rack, etc. We had a great time and even made it back to the left
coast in two days/one night.

--
Jack Allison

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Roger]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:55:10 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>One of the problems with a 1 gig camera memory card is that it is possible
>to take virtually unlimited pictures at OSH. If you figure it takes a
>minimum of 1 minute per pic to look at, adjust, and save -- and I took 250
>photos -- we're looking at a minimum of four hours just to save the pix onto
>my computer!

I shoot more than that a week and that's not at Oshkosh. Each image
averages between 5 and 6 megs compressed raw as an NEF. Expanded to
TIFFs they are 30 to 35 megs. Going to OSH (which I missed this year)
I'd figure on probably two gigs for each of the first 3 day. Then I'd
be down to about one gig.
When I shot 35mm I carried two Nikons. An F8008s and an F4s along
with 3 lenses in addition to the ones mounted on the cameras. I
rolled my own using Ektachrome or Fuji ASA 100, 200, and 400.
E-6 took 10 minutes per batch whether I processed one roll or four at
a time. Negatives, using the Unicolor, or similar process took the
grand total of 3 minutes. (it didn't allow much time to make mistakes)
I didn't like to do batches of more than 2 rolls as the time to fill
and drain became significant portions of the processing times.
>
>Then they must be resized, captions added, webpages created... Sheesh, in

Batch process the resizing as well. Web pages can be done from
templates. I created my own. (I hate Front Page with a passion as it
is the prime example of bloat code) I can usually do a page in plain
HTML using about 10% of the lines required by FP. OTOH if you create
the page in straight HTML, then FP will let you do it the way you
want EXCEPT for line formatting. It uses at least three to five lines
to format every single line in the page.

>the old days, I sent the film canister into the processing place, and a few
>days later -- voila! -- I had my pix... But I digress.

I find it easier now and I can automate each of the batch processes. I
can also automate the owner, or copyright notice. The only thing I
can't is the custom text and that amounts to drawing a rectangle and
typing in the text.

Each 35 mm negative or slide made a minimum of a 60 meg file.

I pop the card out of the camera and into the card reader. I copy all
to one computer and *move* all from the card to the second computer.
I run photoshop CS in batch mode to create TIFFs, Then resize to a
standard screen size, or display size, and to a standard large
thumbnail. Otherwise if I want real thumbnails the system will do
that for me.
>
>I will have a full write-up on our Oshkosh experience in a day or three --
>with pix -- but I want to make a few points about OSH while they are still
>fresh in my memory.

Now that is difficult to automate. Hell, it's difficult to depend on
my memory when it was yesterday.

>
>The Best of Times:
>***************************
>1. Our Iowa City fly-in pool party was a real gas, and -- with temperatures
>approaching 100 degrees -- the pool was actually *used* throughout the day,
>rather than being merely a pretty prop. (And stay tuned for pix of the
>DOUBLE CANNON-BALL JUMP, executed by none other than our own Jim Weir and
>John Osterhout!)
>
>2. FREE BIKES! Goodwill (yes, *that* Goodwill) has revolutionized Oshkosh
>for us. Here's how:
>
>They have built a new Goodwill Store adjacent to the North 40 camping area.
>On our first day at the show, we hiked over to the Pick N Save for supplies,
>only to walk past dozens of used bicycles -- all on sale for (get this!) $10
>apiece!
>
>These weren't junkers -- there were 10-speed racers, mountain bikes, bikes
>for the kids -- and all in good working order. Needless to say, we
>immediately picked out four of them, paid our $40, and spent the next seven
>days riding our bikes EVERYWHERE, in comfort, speed and (sorta) style.
>
>In fact, we only rode the internal North 40 bus once, and that was only to
>be sociable with folks who didn't have bikes. It was ASTOUNDING how much
>this single act saved our feet and legs -- Oshkosh was never better, and my
>feet were barely stressed by the end of the week!

When Joyce has gone with me we have always taken our bikes.. We can
usually beat the traffic into and out of the grounds to the shopping
center although you really have to hustle going north past the end of
9/27 but the traffic was never any problem and if it's close to the
ending of the air show the roads going out of the grounds can get
really exciting such as the one across the south side of the north 40.

>
>Then -- best of all -- on our last day, we returned the bikes to the
>Goodwill store, and they gave us a receipt for a $40 tax write-off! Free
>bikes for the week!

I'd probably have brought them home. <:-))

>
>3. THE SHOW. I've grown pretty jaded with the Oshkosh air shows, after 22
>years. And with the loss of the "Masters of Disaster" it promised to be
>pretty lame.

I haven't gone that many years and a rarely pay any attention to the
aerobatics unless it's some one I really enjoy watching. I used to
love that Hawker Hurricane (as I recall that's what it was) flying to
the Phantom of the Opera. Another favorite, which really surprised me
was the aerobatic routine in the sail plane.

>
>Not! Although not technically a part of the air show, the arrival of "White
>Knight" with "SpaceShipOne" on its back, ranks high up as one of the most
>thrilling moments at OSH. The Concorde arrival, the Voyager fly over, the
>first appearance of the F-117 Stealth, and the SR-71 in OSH are the only
>events that come close.

I have a beautiful shot of the SR-71, the tanker and the F-18 in
formation in the upper left of the frame with the American Flag
bisecting the frame from the upper right to the lower left. That is
one of my favorite photos.
Of course there is the year I sent in a dozen rolls and they all came
back contaminated with little black spots. That was the year they had
the big formations of war birds. Only about 10% of the photos were
any good.

>
>Global Flyer was pretty cool too -- and the flights of "Glacier Girl"
>brought a tear to my eye. (And, best of all, the pilot wasn't babying that
>ol' P-38. There were some high-G turns, steep pull-ups, and a few "Heritage
>Flights" with dissimilar aircraft -- all of which must have had their
>insurance agent crapping his pants... :-)

Now that I'd like to have seen.


>
>4. THE PEOPLE As always, Oshkosh was about airplanes and the people who
>fly them. And what a bunch of people they are! For an entire week we were
>immersed in the whole aviation experience, and the people we met -- from the
>84 year old former WASP, to the Usenet lurkers at the rec.aviation party, to
>Paul Poberezney himself -- EVERYONE was outstanding.
>
>This extended to celebrities as well. One morning we found ourselves eating
>breakfast at the Hilton, one table away from Harrison Ford, his kid, and his
>wife, (who everyone tells me is Callista Flockhart? She looks starved!).
>
>I am proud to say that -- with the exception of one guy and his son, who
>begged an autograph -- NO ONE bothered the man. He was able to eat his eggs
>and read "Airventure Today" just like the rest of us, enjoying the fly-in
>and not (for once, I'm sure) being "Han Solo" or "Indiana Jones" for the
>public. (This was truly a test of character for my 14 year old son, who
>idolizes the man, but he came through without making a scene!)
>
>5. The REC.AVIATION PARTY. On Wednesday night, we held our third annual
>cookout/party at our campsite in the North 40. With the incredible help of
>Jim & Tami Burns, and the inimitable Montblack, we were able to feed and
>entertain 50 people from all over the world. Chris Blythe and his son were
>there from jolly old England, Blanche Cohen was there from Colorado, the
>Allison Brothers and the Weirs were there from the Left Coast, and Margy
>Natalie was there from the Eastern Seaboard.

I gota make one of those parties! <:-))
>
>And folks were there from everywhere in between. Jim C, Edwin and Jim were
>there from down South, Aaron Coolidge was there from, well, wherever Aaron
>was from, Eric Rood was there (with some little French girl pilot who he
>SWEARS is just a "friend" :-) -- and dozens of others were there from all
>over the country.
>
>It was a wonderful, happy, special evening, and everyone had a great time --
>especially Mary and me!
>
>The Worst of Times
>*********************
>
>1. No Bikes on the Grounds. I understand that bikes amongst the planes

Did they do away with the "bike coral" just outside the gate?

>could be a disaster -- but why not a "bikes only" path from the western part
>of the North 40 (say, roughly near the shower building) running straight
>South to the Ultralight area?
<snip>
>All in all, griping aside (and they are small gripes, indeed) it was our
>best Airventure yet. Packing up our tent and pulling the plane out of the
>emptying rows in the North 40 becomes harder each year, and this year was
>especially difficult. We just simply did NOT want it all to end, and it was
>with a thick lump in my throat that we said goodbye to Oshkosh for another
>year.

Ahhhh...Maybe next year. I used to arrive a week early and stay until
nearly the end. Unfortunately, as I get older I find myself laying
under the wing and watching, rather than walking around. I can't
handle the heat when they do have hot days and my back can't handle
the standing.

I've missed it for the last few years.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>
>Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!

[Denny]

Jay, great write up... I was going to go this year as it's been two
years, then for whatever reason decided to keep making progress on my
projects... I did want to walk around Spaceship One, etc., but being an
adult means making hard decisions... Damn, I liked being a kid lots
better than I do being an adult...

One comment on the " . . EAA you listening?..":
AIRVENTURE is a separate corporation from the EAA with it's own board,
etc... It has full time employees who demand paychecks, perks,
retirement, health insurance, car mileage, secretaries, etc., etc...
They have mortgages to pay, kids to put through college, and on, and
on...

AIRVENTURE is no longer ours; US, the great unwashed members,
cognoscenti, builders, admirers, EAA members, and supporters.. US, who
haul the garbage, police the trash, put up the fences, wear the vests
and run around in the hot sun because we love airplanes... US, who
supply the aircraft for others to admire and for AIRVENTURE to profit
from...

AIRVENTURE is a corporation... And like all corporations it exists to
exist... Nothing more, nothing less... The only thing that will move
the AIRVENTURE board is the bottom line... They will change those
things that negatively hit the bottom line, and will not change those
things that enhance the bottom line, regardless of the "feelings" of
US...

I date back to Rockford, in my BC12D Taylorcraft when the girls in
their shorts and halters still smiled at me, and 'sir' was my father,
so I still see "The Big O" as a gathering of eagles, of builders, of
aficionado, of lovers.... I am a dinosauer... I am extinct... What I
want to see at "The Big O" no longer exists except in my head, in my
heart, in my memory... I will continue to go to "The Big O" from time
to time because I am an aficionado, a lover, and to meet the folks I
chat with here, but I have no illusions... This is not Rockford, this
is not the early days of"The Big O"...
AIRVENTURE exists to collect those big vendor fees, issue those press
releases, to make those corporate cross contracts, to get publicity and
pull in the paying public, to fill the corporate coffers, to pay those
executive salaries, educate those kids, and to continue to exist as a
corporation; and the wants of dinosauers like me, be damned...

Sorry for the rant...

denny

[Jim Burns]

> 5. The REC.AVIATION PARTY.

Big thanks go to Jay and Mary for putting up with all of us ruffiens. I'm
sure that that there are days when they both wish we'd let them rest.

It was really great putting faces with names and I had some great
conversations with Dave, Jack, Steve, Chris and others in between flipping
steaks and rolling brats. My wife really enjoyed doing something than the
normal all day OSH trek following her crazy husband around at break neck
speed.

I must once again thank Paul for the extra time and effort to drive over to
our place and back to OSH to haul our grill around. And for the great food.
And for the great times. Our kids absolutely had a blast with him when he
stayed with us Wednesday night and then again Saturday at OSH.

I also want to thank Paul for hanging out with us Sunday and helping us pull
one of the props off our Aztec and hauling it back with him to Minneapolis,
then delivering it Monday to Maxwell. Paul's the ultimate example of the
great people on the groups and at OSH.

>
> 5. NO SMALL VENDORS. >
> Hell, where was Airtex interiors? They're not exactly small potatoes.
And
> how about Plane Plastics? Or the guys who make custom panels?

Both Airtex and Plane Plastics were in Buildings A-D. I stopped briefly at
each, knowing that if I stayed too long my wallet would quickly be
lightened. I also found several custom panel outfits that caught my eye as
our Aztec still has it's 1966 vintage black on black plastic panel covers.
But I agree, what about all the small companys makeing that extra special
little gizmo that makes flying or airplane ownership that much more fun?
Closest thing I heard of but never saw was the automatic air pressure
sensors for tires as reported on the EAA website as being in the Fly-Mart.
>
> No where to be found -- all priced off the field, I suspect. We need to
get
> them back! EAA, are you listening?
>
>
> Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!
> --

No need to wait until next year, August 19th and 20th the EAA is hosting a
Murder Mystery evening at Pioneer Airport. Tami and I have already got our
reservation for the evening of the 20th.

Jim Burns

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> [snip] Eric Rood was there (with some little French girl pilot who he
> SWEARS is just a "friend" :-)

Do I have a great wife, or what? She lets me go to AirVenture with other
women!
The "little French girl pilot" is Laurence Bonneau.
You may recall the posting I made in late January about spending a day
in the emergency room with a friend who slipped on the ice and separated
their shoulder when we were preparing to go flying. That was Laurence.

[LCT Paintball]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:yeXHe.214762$_o.161611@attbi_s71...
> One of the problems with a 1 gig camera memory card is that it is possible
> to take virtually unlimited pictures at OSH. If you figure it takes a
> minimum of 1 minute per pic to look at, adjust, and save -- and I took 250
> photos -- we're looking at a minimum of four hours just to save the pix
> onto my computer!
>

Jay, thanks for the great review. I've drooled over OSH for years, but since
I'm not a flyer, and it's hard to get off work, I've never been able to
attend.

Now, for your picture problem. We use 512K cards and a little toy called a
roadstor. You plug your card into the portable, battery powered device, and
it burns them right onto a $0.25 cd. Now, you can take as many pictures as
you want without buying a bunch of expensive cards, or taking your laptop
with you. When you get home, you can do whatever you want to the pictures
right off your cd rom without filling up your hard drive. It also doubles as
a DVD player if you plug it into a television.

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> One of the problems with a 1 gig camera memory card is that it is possible
> to take virtually unlimited pictures at OSH. If you figure it takes a
> minimum of 1 minute per pic to look at, adjust, and save -- and I took 250
> photos -- we're looking at a minimum of four hours just to save the pix onto
> my computer!
>
> Then they must be resized, captions added, webpages created... Sheesh, in
> the old days, I sent the film canister into the processing place, and a few
> days later -- voila! -- I had my pix... But I digress.

Film cannister? Last time, I hauled my dozen or so rolls of exposed film to the
processor and paid ~$12/roll. A few days later I had my pix. About six months
later they were all sorted and in the albums. Of course, you gotta come to my
house if you wanna see 'em.

Quitcherbitchen.

> Then -- best of all -- on our last day, we returned the bikes to the
> Goodwill store, and they gave us a receipt for a $40 tax write-off! Free
> bikes for the week!

Uh.... Jay ...... A $40 tax writeoff isn't the same as a refund. Those bikes
cost you about $25-30. Cheap, but it ain't free.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[pittss1c]

I must say, I was rather suprised by the red barn prices. I never looked
too closely before, but I noticed that Johnsonville brats were cheaper
in the Scholer red barn then in normal stores (at least here in
Illinois), and they had a decent collection of steaks.

Mike

<snip>
> 4. Food/Supplies. Once again, there were no provisions made for the campers
> in the North 40. Why?
>
<snip>

[[email protected]]

On 2-Aug-2005, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Instead, Sean Tucker wielded his clout to get his son's act in the show,
> the
> aptly named "Stars of Tomorrow" (or something like that). They weren't
> bad -- but it's pretty clear (after talking with some of Skip's sponsors)
> that Tucker doesn't want his "heir apparent" to be anyone outside the
> family...

I'll take issue with this one. We attended a forum presented by Sean Tucker
and the three young people in the Stars of Tomorrow. SOT was started by
Mike Goulian and Sean Tucker in 2003. They had six young people flying that
year, and according to what was said at the forum, Eric Tucker was rejected
as not being good enough. Eric was not pleased (to say the least), but his
dad told him straight-up to go work on his flying, win some aerobatic
competitions, and try out again. Eric did that, and this year was selected
for the team. Eric and his father both stressed that Eric wasn't given any
favoritism. Sean and the other team members all said Eric EARNED his place
on the team, it wasn't a "gimme". The other team members and Sean both said
if anything, Eric's tryout was even tougher than everyone elses.
Chandy Clanton, who also flew at OSH this year (red, white and blue
Extra), was one of the original SOT performers, for what it's worth. In
2003, they had six team members, but their financial backer insisted on
the team being reduced to three. The SOT now have the addition of Wayne
Handley (flew airshows in a plane called the Raven) and Bill Stein,
right-wing on the Red Baron Pizza Squadron who serve as mentors for the
kids. They are not above "firing" someone who isn't performing up to
standards. During the forum, they mentioned having to drop a female from
the team who just wasn't working out, and Jessy Panzer was selected to
take her place.
Anyway, my wife and I came away from the forum absolutely impressed with
Sean Tucker and the SOT members. Sean's motives seemed to be purely to
help deserving, hard-working young people break into the airshow business.
I have no idea if Sean pulled any strings to get the SOT in the EAA
lineup, but with all the backing they have from other big-names in the
airshow business, I doubt it was necessary.
Scott WIlson

[Rob]

Great write-up Jay. I got stuck here at my desk at work last week and
couldn't pull off what would've been my first great cross-country
adventure in the new (to me) Tiger. I followed along on Google News
and the Airventure web site all week and it's great to read here that a
good time was had by all.

-R

[Michelle P]

Jay,
These are the reasons I prefer Sun-N-Fun. A lot of cool stuff not too
many people.
Michelle

Jay Honeck wrote:

[Jay Honeck]

>> [snip] Eric Rood was there (with some little French girl pilot who he
>> SWEARS is just a "friend" :-)
>
> Do I have a great wife, or what? She lets me go to AirVenture with other
> women!

Hell, yes!

> The "little French girl pilot" is Laurence Bonneau.
> You may recall the posting I made in late January about spending a day in
> the emergency room with a friend who slipped on the ice and separated
> their shoulder when we were preparing to go flying. That was Laurence.

I'm just kidding you, Eric. She was really nice, and fun to talk with at
the party. And she knew her flying stuff, too.

I'm surprised she's single! I can think of about 200 pilots who would love
to meet a chick like her...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>> Then -- best of all -- on our last day, we returned the bikes to the
>> Goodwill store, and they gave us a receipt for a $40 tax write-off!
>> Free bikes for the week!
>
> Uh.... Jay ...... A $40 tax writeoff isn't the same as a refund. Those
> bikes cost you about $25-30. Cheap, but it ain't free.

Hey, your crappy reality can't burst my fantasy bubble!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I have no idea if Sean pulled any strings to get the SOT in the EAA
> lineup, but with all the backing they have from other big-names in the
> airshow business, I doubt it was necessary.

You make many good points, Scott. And I have no way to refute them.

However, the fact remains that one of the best new airshow performers in the
country, Skip Stewart -- a guy who has recently been written up and profiled
in half a dozen top-notch aviation magazines as being THE up-and-comer in
the airshow industry -- sat on the ground WITH HIS PLANE, itching to go up,
while three relative unknowns took to the skies over OSH.

That is crap, IMHO, and stinks of nepotism, whether it was or not.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QqgIe.235695$xm3.48861@attbi_s21...
> > I have no idea if Sean pulled any strings to get the SOT in the EAA
> > lineup, but with all the backing they have from other big-names in the
> > airshow business, I doubt it was necessary.
>
> You make many good points, Scott. And I have no way to refute them.
>
> However, the fact remains that one of the best new airshow performers in
the
> country, Skip Stewart -- a guy who has recently been written up and
profiled
> in half a dozen top-notch aviation magazines as being THE up-and-comer in
> the airshow industry -- sat on the ground WITH HIS PLANE, itching to go
up,
> while three relative unknowns took to the skies over OSH.
>
> That is crap, IMHO, and stinks of nepotism, whether it was or not.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"


Could be Skip Stewart was not willing to fly for free. None of the airshow
pilots at OSH get paid. Could also be he had a scheduling conflict. Could
be a multitude of factors other than nepotism.

[Jay Honeck]

> Could be Skip Stewart was not willing to fly for free. None of the
> airshow
> pilots at OSH get paid. Could also be he had a scheduling conflict.
> Could
> be a multitude of factors other than nepotism.

I sat with one of his (very frustrated) sponsors several times during the
week, who told me that Skip would have PAID for the privilege of performing
at OSH.

His plane was there, he was there, and he was waiting for the call. It
never came, and it sure is hard to say why.

I, for one, would have been thrilled to see his new "motorcycle jumping over
the airplane while it cuts the ribbon" trick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,
As others have said, thanks for the North 40 party!

I just got home tonight from my 5600 mile road trip. It was worth every
mile.

Not sure if you remember me among all the other party goers, but I'm the 20
year old blonde guy building a Stits Flutterbug in California. I wish I
could have made it back up to the North 40 after Wednesday but that hike
from Scholler was a long one, and the trams always seemed to disappear when
I decided I needed one. Besides, as a first timer to Oshkosh I was always
busy running around looking at stuff and generally being amazed at how vast
it all was. I'm proud to say that I saw just about everything I wanted to
see, including a quick trip to the museum (and the Eagle Hangar Wall of
Honor to find my late father's name). This was one of the best experiences
of my life. It was truly moving and spectacular. The aircraft and airshow
were great, but experiencing the entire event and meeting others in the
aviation community were beyond words. I will be making the pilgrimage every
year from now on and wouldn't have traded this year's trip for anything in
the world.

So thanks, Jay, for the hospitality, and thanks to the entire aviation
community for demonstrating just how great a group it is. I won't be
forgetting this one for a while.

And just to make sure of that, I get to sort through 2000 digital
pictures...


-Tony Goetz
355 days until Airventure 2006 via Flutterbug.

[RST Engineering]

Just suggest to him that he should run for the EAA Board Of Directors and
wait for the call...until hell froze over. It IS hard to say why.

Jim
(Who ME ****ed off? MOI???)]





>
> His plane was there, he was there, and he was waiting for the call. It
> never came, and it sure is hard to say why.
>
> I, for one, would have been thrilled to see his new "motorcycle jumping
> over the airplane while it cuts the ribbon" trick.

[John]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>> [snip] Eric Rood was there (with some little French girl pilot who he
>>> SWEARS is just a "friend" :-)
>>
>> Do I have a great wife, or what? She lets me go to AirVenture with other
>> women!
>
> Hell, yes!
>
>> The "little French girl pilot" is Laurence Bonneau.
>> You may recall the posting I made in late January about spending a day in
>> the emergency room with a friend who slipped on the ice and separated
>> their shoulder when we were preparing to go flying. That was Laurence.
>
> I'm just kidding you, Eric. She was really nice, and fun to talk with at
> the party. And she knew her flying stuff, too.
>
> I'm surprised she's single! I can think of about 200 pilots who would
> love to meet a chick like her...


Yeah and some of those pilots (about 5%) are probably single too! ;-)
John

[Jim Burns]

Let me try to make you feel a little better....

Since the $40 is such a small amount, you would simply "expense" it, I can't
imagine putting a couple bikes on a depreciation schedule.... so the $40
that you paid you can deduct from your taxable income... if you're at a 30%
rate, the real cost of your bikes was $28.

But then you took them back and got a reciept for a $40 donation to
Goodwill... if you're able to deduct 100% of that amount from your taxable
income, you can take another $12 off your tax bill.

So I'd say that the use of the bikes cost you about $16.

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:1ngIe.235818$nG6.198967@attbi_s22...
> >> Then -- best of all -- on our last day, we returned the bikes to the
> >> Goodwill store, and they gave us a receipt for a $40 tax write-off!
> >> Free bikes for the week!
> >
> > Uh.... Jay ...... A $40 tax writeoff isn't the same as a refund. Those
> > bikes cost you about $25-30. Cheap, but it ain't free.
>
> Hey, your crappy reality can't burst my fantasy bubble!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> So I'd say that the use of the bikes cost you about $16.

Compare THAT to Peninsula State Park (in Door County, WI), where bike rental
is close to that per HOUR for a single bike....

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> So thanks, Jay, for the hospitality, and thanks to the entire aviation
> community for demonstrating just how great a group it is. I won't be
> forgetting this one for a while.

You're welcome, Tony! This newsgroup is chock-full of wonderful folks -- as
is the aviation community as a whole. You'll always find good camaraderie
and advice in a group of pilots, that's for sure -- it was our pleasure
meeting you.

> And just to make sure of that, I get to sort through 2000 digital
> pictures...

My Gawd. And I was ****ed about having to sort through 2 HUNDRED pix!
Shoot, just looking at them will fill your days until the NEXT Oshkosh!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns]

Dang.... don't remind me.... thinking of doing the Mackinac Island thing yet
this summer.... even $45 per day is crazy. Let me know when Goodwill has
some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:G5oIe.219407$_o.51931@attbi_s71...
> > So I'd say that the use of the bikes cost you about $16.
>
> Compare THAT to Peninsula State Park (in Door County, WI), where bike
rental
> is close to that per HOUR for a single bike....
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> I'm just kidding you, Eric. She was really nice, and fun to talk with at
> the party. And she knew her flying stuff, too.

Give her another year and she will have her Commercial, CFI, MEA, Multi-I.

> I'm surprised she's single! I can think of about 200 pilots who would love
> to meet a chick like her...

And she is an IT-Techi, too!

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> I'm surprised she's single! I can think of about 200 pilots who would love
> to meet a chick like her...

She's probably still single because they think of her as a "chick."

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

Jim Burns wrote:
>
> Let me know when Goodwill has
> some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)

Well, if the weather here in NJ is any indication, hell isn't getting any colder.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Roger]

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:03:39 -0500, "Jim Burns"
> wrote:

>Dang.... don't remind me.... thinking of doing the Mackinac Island thing yet
>this summer.... even $45 per day is crazy. Let me know when Goodwill has
>some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)

Depends on your airplane, but I've found that many are capable of
taking a full size bikd if you take the wheels off. With modern bikes,
that only takes seconds and maybe a minute to put them back on.

It all depends on accessable the baggage compartment. On our's (low
wing) you have to put the bikes in over the seats, but in many high
wing planes it's pretty easy.

There's nothing like having a good quality bike that fits you compared
to most rentals. Then again, it's easy to get spoiled. Of course you
can get carried away with quality and easily put several grand in one.
Mine was a lot cheaper and "used".

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>Jim
>
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>news:G5oIe.219407$_o.51931@attbi_s71...
>> > So I'd say that the use of the bikes cost you about $16.
>>
>> Compare THAT to Peninsula State Park (in Door County, WI), where bike
>rental
>> is close to that per HOUR for a single bike....
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"
>>
>>
>

[Jim Burns]

The problem is, I need four! ;)
If we took the rear seat out of the Aztec, we'd have plenty of room for
them. The rear seat back is the "front" of the rear baggage compartment.
Someday (year) we'll get that rear bench out of there and get the two
buckets installed back there.
Jim

[Matt Whiting]

Dave Stadt wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:QqgIe.235695$xm3.48861@attbi_s21...
>
>>> I have no idea if Sean pulled any strings to get the SOT in the EAA
>>> lineup, but with all the backing they have from other big-names in the
>>> airshow business, I doubt it was necessary.
>>
>>You make many good points, Scott. And I have no way to refute them.
>>
>>However, the fact remains that one of the best new airshow performers in
>
> the
>
>>country, Skip Stewart -- a guy who has recently been written up and
>
> profiled
>
>>in half a dozen top-notch aviation magazines as being THE up-and-comer in
>>the airshow industry -- sat on the ground WITH HIS PLANE, itching to go
>
> up,
>
>>while three relative unknowns took to the skies over OSH.
>>
>>That is crap, IMHO, and stinks of nepotism, whether it was or not.
>>--
>>Jay Honeck
>>Iowa City, IA
>>Pathfinder N56993
>>www.AlexisParkInn.com
>>"Your Aviation Destination"
>
>
>
> Could be Skip Stewart was not willing to fly for free. None of the airshow
> pilots at OSH get paid. Could also be he had a scheduling conflict. Could
> be a multitude of factors other than nepotism.

Yes, it would be nice to know the real reason. I read the profile on
Skip in a recent issue of AOPA Pilot and was a little turned off when
the last two paragraphs focused on money, especially his comment about
getting his fee up closer to five figures...

Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> >Dang.... don't remind me.... thinking of doing the Mackinac Island thing yet
> >this summer.... even $45 per day is crazy. Let me know when Goodwill has
> >some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)
>
> Depends on your airplane, but I've found that many are capable of
> taking a full size bikd if you take the wheels off. With modern bikes,
> that only takes seconds and maybe a minute to put them back on.

Well, we would need four bikes. While that is technically possible
with the smallest folding bikes (barely), it would leave no room for
the baggage, tents, etc. we carry to OSH.

No, the Goodwill bike thing has absolutely improved OSH 100% for us --
and I didn't think it could *get* any better! To be able to ride
around all week, to get to the bathroom in the middle of the night in
SECONDS (rather than minutes), to save literally MILES of wear and tear
on my feet -- wow, what a great thing.

And, best of all, it benefits a really good cause. My only fear is
that they will wake up next year and realize that they could have
charged twice as much!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> These are the reasons I prefer Sun-N-Fun. A lot of cool stuff not too
> many people.

I love Sun N Fun, too. It just doesn't work with my kids school
schedule, and there ALWAYS seems to be a huge cold front riding the
Florida panhandle at that time of year. We usually make it down (or
back)okay, but never vice versa.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>Dang.... don't remind me.... thinking of doing the Mackinac Island thing yet
>>>this summer.... even $45 per day is crazy. Let me know when Goodwill has
>>>some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)
>>
>>Depends on your airplane, but I've found that many are capable of
>>taking a full size bikd if you take the wheels off. With modern bikes,
>>that only takes seconds and maybe a minute to put them back on.
>
>
> Well, we would need four bikes. While that is technically possible
> with the smallest folding bikes (barely), it would leave no room for
> the baggage, tents, etc. we carry to OSH.
>
> No, the Goodwill bike thing has absolutely improved OSH 100% for us --
> and I didn't think it could *get* any better! To be able to ride
> around all week, to get to the bathroom in the middle of the night in
> SECONDS (rather than minutes), to save literally MILES of wear and tear
> on my feet -- wow, what a great thing.

Well, it could get better. They could have scooters... :-)

Sorry, just couldn't resist!

Matt

[Morgans]

"Jim Burns" > wrote

> Dang.... don't remind me.... thinking of doing the Mackinac Island thing
yet
> this summer.... even $45 per day is crazy. Let me know when Goodwill has
> some foldup mountain bikes, will ya? :)

Get creative! Cut the frames, add some tube on the inside, drill for a pin,
and, there you have it. Biggest hassle is the full size wheel, but that
means they ride better.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> She's probably still single because they think of her as a "chick."

George, you need to hang around women pilots more often. They ALL refer to
themselves as "chicks", and a flight of just women is a "chick flight"...

We host the Iowa 99s meetings at the inn, and that's pretty much all you'll
hear throughout...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Hmm... I may have to take a trip back to the Goodwill at OSH and pick up a
> couple "victims"!

That 10-speed racer I was on all week was really quite excellent -- I was
effortlessly outpacing the others on their "mountain bikes" all day long.

At one time that was a truly top-dollar bicycle, and if you could hinge the
frame somehow it would make a great traveling bike. I hated to give it
back!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns]

Hmm... I may have to take a trip back to the Goodwill at OSH and pick up a
couple "victims"!
Jim Burns

>
> Get creative! Cut the frames, add some tube on the inside, drill for a
pin,
> and, there you have it. Biggest hassle is the full size wheel, but that
> means they ride better.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> That 10-speed racer I was on all week was really quite excellent -- I was
> effortlessly outpacing the others on their "mountain bikes" all day long.
> At one time that was a truly top-dollar bicycle, and if you could hinge the
> frame somehow it would make a great traveling bike. I hated to give it
> back!

I'll bring a hacksaw next year!

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> At one time that was a truly top-dollar bicycle, and if you could hinge the
> frame somehow it would make a great traveling bike. I hated to give it
> back!

Last time I was there, UPS had a booth set up outside the Fly-Mart.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Rich S.]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:78NIe.6$Im1.4@trndny02...
>
> Last time I was there, UPS had a booth set up outside the Fly-Mart.

Strange thing about that UPS booth. We sent a box of clothes to our B&B in
Oshkosh for $13. Sending the same box back home from the booth cost $30. It
was within a pound or so of the same weight.

Wonder if Poberezny & Co. gets a bit of a kickback? Naw, he wouldn't do
that. . .

Rich S.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Rich S." > wrote in message
...
> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> news:78NIe.6$Im1.4@trndny02...
>>
>> Last time I was there, UPS had a booth set up outside the Fly-Mart.
>
> Strange thing about that UPS booth. We sent a box of clothes to our B&B in
> Oshkosh for $13. Sending the same box back home from the booth cost $30.
> It was within a pound or so of the same weight.
>
> Wonder if Poberezny & Co. gets a bit of a kickback? Naw, he wouldn't do
> that. . .
>

They probably charge for the booth space and as has already been discussed
booth space is expensive.

[Morgans]

"john smith" > wrote

> I'll bring a hacksaw next year!

Tube cutters make a better square cut, plus they are magnitudes easier.
--
Jim in NC

[Blanche]

For future reference...

The FedExKinko's store is in the strip mall a block up the
street from Target. I sent a suitcase filled with stuff (mostly
shoes and laundry) for $8.45 and that included the box to put
everything in.

[Roger]

On 05 Aug 2005 23:50:28 GMT, Blanche > wrote:

>For future reference...
>
>The FedExKinko's store is in the strip mall a block up the
>street from Target. I sent a suitcase filled with stuff (mostly
>shoes and laundry) for $8.45 and that included the box to put
>everything in.


Which reminds me.

One year a guy pulled up next to us in the
antique/classic/contemporary parking/camping. He disappeared and
about an hour later returned on the welcome wagon with a whole bunch
of FEDX packages. It looked like he had sent *everything*, including
tent and extra clothes via FEDX so his stuff was some where near there
waiting for him.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Tom McQuinn]

Not realizing that the smart people like Jay were buying ten dollar
bikes, - I am so jealous I could scream - I stopped into the UPS booth
to see what kind of service they offer. From the card she gave me:

The UPS Store
1528 S Koeller Rd
Oshkosh, WI 54902
(920)231-1623

*Please specify one of the following on your packages:
"BRING TO TENT" or "LEAVE AT STORE"

I told her that I doubted I could keep the shipping boxes dry and
useable for the trip back. She said they will are able to repackage
your stuff and ship it back.

It's easy to imagine that this might cost a pretty penny. But compared
to buying a bigger plane........

Tom

Roger wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2005 23:50:28 GMT, Blanche > wrote:
>
>
>>For future reference...
>>
>>The FedExKinko's store is in the strip mall a block up the
>>street from Target. I sent a suitcase filled with stuff (mostly
>>shoes and laundry) for $8.45 and that included the box to put
>>everything in.
>
>
>
> Which reminds me.
>
> One year a guy pulled up next to us in the
> antique/classic/contemporary parking/camping. He disappeared and
> about an hour later returned on the welcome wagon with a whole bunch
> of FEDX packages. It looked like he had sent *everything*, including
> tent and extra clothes via FEDX so his stuff was some where near there
> waiting for him.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com