Garmin 396 'installation' in the Maule

[Maule Driver]

Well, it came yesterday. Great box. Looks like the challenge will be
'mounting' the GXM 30 XM antenna in the Maule.

The thing has a big non-removeable magnet so distance from the compass
is needed. It has an extension cord and mounting screws but needs good
sky exposure... any thoughts are welcome.

Otherwise, the yoke mount looks fine and the unit itself has me
drooling. NC to FL next week!

[Dan Luke]

"Maule Driver" wrote:

> Well, it came yesterday. Great box. Looks like the challenge will be
> 'mounting' the GXM 30 XM antenna in the Maule.
>
> The thing has a big non-removeable magnet so distance from the compass is
> needed. It has an extension cord and mounting screws but needs good sky
> exposure... any thoughts are welcome.

Yeah, this is a problem.

I put the XM antenna on the dash of the car for the drive home yesterday, and
it affected my aircraft compass from nearly two feet away. That's a hell of
a magnet; Garmin needs to provide a way for us to get rid of it without
voiding the warranty.

> Otherwise, the yoke mount looks fine and the unit itself has me drooling.
> NC to FL next week!

Nature put on a booming L-6 thunderstorm for my test drive yesterday, so the
396 got a nice workout on the way home. Wow. This thing is going to take a
lot of stress out of flying the Gulf Coast.


--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM
______________
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o/ \o

[George Patterson]

Maule Driver wrote:
>
> The thing has a big non-removeable magnet so distance from the compass
> is needed. It has an extension cord and mounting screws but needs good
> sky exposure... any thoughts are welcome.

Try tucking it up between the headliner and the fabric top of the fuselage. I
had my MBR antenna under the floor boards and it worked well through the fabric.
IIRC, M. Powell has a gps antenna mounted over the headliner in this way. If it
works, you can clamp a mounting plate to the frame tubes up there.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Dave Butler]

Maule Driver wrote:
> Well, it came yesterday. Great box. Looks like the challenge will be
> 'mounting' the GXM 30 XM antenna in the Maule.
>
> The thing has a big non-removeable magnet so distance from the compass
> is needed. It has an extension cord and mounting screws but needs good
> sky exposure... any thoughts are welcome.

Garmin should know better. What were they thinking?

>
> Otherwise, the yoke mount looks fine and the unit itself has me
> drooling. NC to FL next week!

Mine came Wednesday, been foolin' around with it in the car. I think I'm going
to like it a lot, but that antenna thing is a definite drawback: the fact that
you have 2 separate antennas with two wires to manage, and the magnet.

Let us know if you come up with an elegant solution.

Dave

[George Patterson]

Dan Luke wrote:
>
> That's a hell of
> a magnet; Garmin needs to provide a way for us to get rid of it without
> voiding the warranty.

If I read the manual I found on their web site correctly, it won't work without
the magnet. Dunno why an antenna would require a magnet, though.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
"Dan Luke" > wrote:
> I put the XM antenna on the dash of the car for the drive home yesterday, and
> it affected my aircraft compass from nearly two feet away. That's a hell of
> a magnet; Garmin needs to provide a way for us to get rid of it without
> voiding the warranty.


Good luck. The GPS10 has similar herculean magnets, and they affected
my compass no matter where I put the GPS10 on the glare shield. I
finally had to (carefully) pry open the unit and remove them.

Some folks with GPS10 units tried to get Garmin to take the magnets out,
even for a fee, and Garmin refused to do it.

My understanding is that the 396 XM antenna is glued shut in a similar
manner to the GPS10, and if so, some patient and careful prying will
open it up--but it will void the warranty.



JKG

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article <f8JPe.42$fP.7@trndny08>,
George Patterson > wrote:
> > That's a hell of
> > a magnet; Garmin needs to provide a way for us to get rid of it without
> > voiding the warranty.
>
> If I read the manual I found on their web site correctly, it won't work
> without
> the magnet. Dunno why an antenna would require a magnet, though.


The magnets do not affect the operation of the XM or GPS receiver.
There are reports on some forums of folks prying the antenna open and
removing them without a problem, but it does void the warranty.



JKG

[xyzzy]

Dave Butler wrote:

> Maule Driver wrote:
>
>> Well, it came yesterday. Great box. Looks like the challenge will be
>> 'mounting' the GXM 30 XM antenna in the Maule.
>>
>> The thing has a big non-removeable magnet so distance from the compass
>> is needed. It has an extension cord and mounting screws but needs
>> good sky exposure... any thoughts are welcome.
>
>
> Garmin should know better. What were they thinking?
>
>>
>> Otherwise, the yoke mount looks fine and the unit itself has me
>> drooling. NC to FL next week!
>
>
> Mine came Wednesday, been foolin' around with it in the car. I think I'm
> going to like it a lot, but that antenna thing is a definite drawback:
> the fact that you have 2 separate antennas with two wires to manage, and
> the magnet.
>
> Let us know if you come up with an elegant solution.
>
> Dave

They must have just sent out a big shipment, mine came yesterday
(promised ship date of 8/31). I came home to find it then had to leave
immediately for a flight lesson. Since it was a "preparation for
checkride" instrument lesson, playing with the new toy on the flight was
out of the question. Bummer.

I'll be taking it up on Saturday though.

I wonder why the GXM-30 has to have view of the sky? The WxWorx antenna
that comes with the ControlVision solution works fine in the side pocket
of a Cherokee. I may try my GXM-30 there just to see what happens.

And at any rate are we losing a little bit of perspective, complaining
that our W-compass's already marginal accuracy is negatively affected by
our much-more-accurate GPS?

--
"You can support the troops but not the president"
--Representative Tom Delay (R-TX), during the Kosovo war.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >, xyzzy >
wrote:
> I wonder why the GXM-30 has to have view of the sky? The WxWorx antenna
> that comes with the ControlVision solution works fine in the side pocket
> of a Cherokee. I may try my GXM-30 there just to see what happens.


I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that the XM antenna works while
stowed in the side pocket. I have a difficult time getting a good
signal for weather even when it's on the glare shield, unless it's in
just the right spot.

Are you sure that you aren't getting the antenna and receiver confused?
With the Control Vision solution, they are separate, but the receiver
and antenna are integrated into one unit with the 396.



JKG

[Mike Granby]

> Garmin needs to provide a way for us to
> get rid of it without voiding the warranty.

Would sticking a steel (or better, soft iron) disk to the antenna help
by keeping the field lines contained? My physics is a bit rusty, but
ISTR it would help...

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article . com>,
"Mike Granby" > wrote:
> > Garmin needs to provide a way for us to
> > get rid of it without voiding the warranty.
>
> Would sticking a steel (or better, soft iron) disk to the antenna help
> by keeping the field lines contained? My physics is a bit rusty, but
> ISTR it would help...


Didn't seem to help much for the GPS10.


JKG

[Maule Driver]

George, it's always a pleasure getting some Maule-specific advice.
Thanks, several times.

That's the question, will it work thru the fabric?

George Patterson wrote:
> Try tucking it up between the headliner and the fabric top of the
> fuselage. I had my MBR antenna under the floor boards and it worked well
> through the fabric. IIRC, M. Powell has a gps antenna mounted over the
> headliner in this way. If it works, you can clamp a mounting plate to
> the frame tubes up there.
>

[xyzzy]

Jonathan Goodish wrote:

> In article >, xyzzy >
> wrote:
>
>>I wonder why the GXM-30 has to have view of the sky? The WxWorx antenna
>>that comes with the ControlVision solution works fine in the side pocket
>>of a Cherokee. I may try my GXM-30 there just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that the XM antenna works while
> stowed in the side pocket. I have a difficult time getting a good
> signal for weather even when it's on the glare shield, unless it's in
> just the right spot.
>
> Are you sure that you aren't getting the antenna and receiver confused?
> With the Control Vision solution, they are separate, but the receiver
> and antenna are integrated into one unit with the 396.

You may be right on my having the receiver and antenna confused,I'll
have to double check. I read it in an Aviation Consumer article, plus a
pilot I know who has one told me that, but they may have been referring
to the receiver now that I think about it.

[Maule Driver]

It seems to work just fine up there thru fabric and insulation -
perfect! I can get as far away from the compass as the cable allows.
Looks like the magnet naturally finds a crotch a in the tubing to
magnetize itself too.

Maule Driver wrote:
> That's the question, will it work thru the fabric?
> George Patterson wrote:
>> Try tucking it up between the headliner and the fabric top of the
>> fuselage. I had my MBR antenna under the floor boards and it worked
>> well through the fabric. IIRC, M. Powell has a gps antenna mounted
>> over the headliner in this way. If it works, you can clamp a mounting
>> plate to the frame tubes up there.
>>

[john smith]

Maule Driver wrote:
> That's the question, will it work thru the fabric?

Depends upon how much aluminum powder is in the primer.

[George Patterson]

Mike Granby wrote:
>
> Would sticking a steel (or better, soft iron) disk to the antenna help
> by keeping the field lines contained?

Don't think so. The steel or iron would become also magnetic, so it might make
the problem worse.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

Maule Driver wrote:
> It seems to work just fine up there thru fabric and insulation -
> perfect! I can get as far away from the compass as the cable allows.
> Looks like the magnet naturally finds a crotch a in the tubing to
> magnetize itself too.

Great! Just keep it away from the aileron cables.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[[email protected]]

Mike Granby > wrote:

> > Garmin needs to provide a way for us to
> > get rid of it without voiding the warranty.

> Would sticking a steel (or better, soft iron) disk to the antenna help
> by keeping the field lines contained? My physics is a bit rusty, but
> ISTR it would help...

It would be reduced if the iron formed a closed loop between the North
and South poles.

--
Jim Pennino

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[xyzzy]

Jonathan Goodish wrote:

> In article >, xyzzy >
> wrote:
>
>>I wonder why the GXM-30 has to have view of the sky? The WxWorx antenna
>>that comes with the ControlVision solution works fine in the side pocket
>>of a Cherokee. I may try my GXM-30 there just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that the XM antenna works while
> stowed in the side pocket. I have a difficult time getting a good
> signal for weather even when it's on the glare shield, unless it's in
> just the right spot.
>
> Are you sure that you aren't getting the antenna and receiver confused?
> With the Control Vision solution, they are separate, but the receiver
> and antenna are integrated into one unit with the 396.
>

Followup:

I got reception on the GXM-30 weather antenna with it sitting on my
dining room table, probably 15-20 feet from the nearest window. I
wasn't really expecting it to work; I was sitting there playing with it
and programming in my flight plan for the next day, and to my surprise
weather data started coming in.

In flight I haven't tried sticking the GXM30 into the side pocket of the
Warrior because when I put it on the glareshield (on the far left side,
where the glareshield slopes down sharply so there's probably actually a
good amount of stuff between it and the w-compass -- located there the
top of it was probably pointing out the left side more than up) I got
good reception and it didn't seem to have a noticeable effect on the
w-compass.

With the GPSMAP396 on the yoke mount of a Warrior, I got good GPS
reception without needing to use the external antenna. I hooked it up
and turned it on early in my preflight, by the time I started up it had
full reception and wx data downloaded.

Battery life seems excellent so far, I had it on for about three hours
without plugging it in, and the battery meter still showed at least 7/8
charge

I'm glad I waited to buy until this one came out, and glad I bought it.
Great box!

[Dave Butler]

xyzzy wrote:
>
> I got reception on the GXM-30 weather antenna with it sitting on my
> dining room table, probably 15-20 feet from the nearest window. I
> wasn't really expecting it to work; I was sitting there playing with it
> and programming in my flight plan for the next day, and to my surprise
> weather data started coming in.

Ditto for my dining room table. :-) I was surprised that it also was able to get
a GPS position on the dining room table. My Garmin 196 was unable to get a
position with the two of them sitting side-by-side. The 396 seems to have more
sensitive GPS receivers.

>
> In flight I haven't tried sticking the GXM30 into the side pocket of the
> Warrior because when I put it on the glareshield (on the far left side,
> where the glareshield slopes down sharply so there's probably actually a
> good amount of stuff between it and the w-compass -- located there the
> top of it was probably pointing out the left side more than up) I got
> good reception and it didn't seem to have a noticeable effect on the
> w-compass.

Good news. Thanks for that report. I haven't been able to fly with mine yet.

> With the GPSMAP396 on the yoke mount of a Warrior, I got good GPS
> reception without needing to use the external antenna. I hooked it up
> and turned it on early in my preflight, by the time I started up it had
> full reception and wx data downloaded.

More good news! My 196 wouldn't work on the yoke of the Mooney without the
external antenna. I'll try out the 396 as soon as I get the plane back from
Sparkchasers.

> Battery life seems excellent so far, I had it on for about three hours
> without plugging it in, and the battery meter still showed at least 7/8
> charge

Now that's really good news. I was concerned about the number of wires. If the
GPS reception is good on the yoke, and the battery life is good enough to leave
it unplugged, then life will indeed be good.


> I'm glad I waited to buy until this one came out, and glad I bought it.
> Great box!

I agree. Haven't flown with it yet, but it's great for watching Katrina on the
dining room table (that's the hurricane, wise guys).

DGB

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article <1125329228.174415@sj-nntpcache-5>, Dave Butler >
wrote:
> > Battery life seems excellent so far, I had it on for about three hours
> > without plugging it in, and the battery meter still showed at least 7/8
> > charge
>
> Now that's really good news. I was concerned about the number of wires. If
> the
> GPS reception is good on the yoke, and the battery life is good enough to
> leave
> it unplugged, then life will indeed be good.


You can't get live weather without the external GXM30 antenna, because
that is where the XM receiver resides.



JKG

[xyzzy]

xyzzy wrote:

> Jonathan Goodish wrote:
>
>> In article >, xyzzy > wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why the GXM-30 has to have view of the sky? The WxWorx
>>> antenna that comes with the ControlVision solution works fine in the
>>> side pocket of a Cherokee. I may try my GXM-30 there just to see
>>> what happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that the XM antenna works while
>> stowed in the side pocket. I have a difficult time getting a good
>> signal for weather even when it's on the glare shield, unless it's in
>> just the right spot.
>>
>> Are you sure that you aren't getting the antenna and receiver
>> confused? With the Control Vision solution, they are separate, but
>> the receiver and antenna are integrated into one unit with the 396.
>
>
> You may be right on my having the receiver and antenna confused,I'll
> have to double check. I read it in an Aviation Consumer article, plus a
> pilot I know who has one told me that, but they may have been referring
> to the receiver now that I think about it.
>

Btw you were right, I checked with teh guy who had it and he said that
the receiver went in the side pocket and the antenna was a much smaller
piece that he had to put on the glareshield.

--
"You can support the troops but not the president"
--Representative Tom Delay (R-TX), during the Kosovo war.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >, xyzzy >
wrote:
> >> Are you sure that you aren't getting the antenna and receiver
> >> confused? With the Control Vision solution, they are separate, but
> >> the receiver and antenna are integrated into one unit with the 396.
> >
> >
> > You may be right on my having the receiver and antenna confused,I'll
> > have to double check. I read it in an Aviation Consumer article, plus a
> > pilot I know who has one told me that, but they may have been referring
> > to the receiver now that I think about it.
> >
>
> Btw you were right, I checked with teh guy who had it and he said that
> the receiver went in the side pocket and the antenna was a much smaller
> piece that he had to put on the glareshield.


That's what I thought, as the little antenna seems to be sensitive to
position.

On the other hand, the Garmin GPS10 (Bluetooth GPS) that I use can get a
3D lock in the middle of the first floor of my 2-story house. It's
incredible. It doesn't surprise me to hear that the 396 has similar
capabilities.



JKG

[Maule Driver]

Well, it definitely can sit up there in the tubing crotch, well clear of
cables, etc. But it definitely won't be removeable.

I'm now looking at just laying it on the floor in the baggage area and
stringing the cable along the floor. The extension plug will end up
right under my seat. The question I haven't answered yet is whether it
will receive well from there but I think it might given the extensive
composite construction on the Maule (composite = tubing, sheet metal,
fabric, and glass :-) )



George Patterson wrote:
> Maule Driver wrote:
>
>> It seems to work just fine up there thru fabric and insulation -
>> perfect! I can get as far away from the compass as the cable allows.
>> Looks like the magnet naturally finds a crotch a in the tubing to
>> magnetize itself too.
>
>
> Great! Just keep it away from the aileron cables.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[xyzzy]

Dave Butler wrote:
> xyzzy wrote:
>> Battery life seems excellent so far, I had it on for about three hours
>> without plugging it in, and the battery meter still showed at least
>> 7/8 charge
>
> Now that's really good news. I was concerned about the number of wires.
> If the GPS reception is good on the yoke, and the battery life is good
> enough to leave it unplugged, then life will indeed be good.

Not so fast on this one. I turned on the GPS this morning for the first
time after that flight and the battery showed over 3/4 charge, so I
drove into work with it, about a 40 minute drive. Just as I was pulling
into my parking space it complained of low battery and immediately
turned itself off. I turned it back on and the battery meter showed
over 1/2 charge.

Conclusion: Don't trust the battery monitoring software, and don't
expect any real warning of an impending low-battery shutdown.

Btw adding the flight and the drive I figure I got a little over 3.5
hours out of a full battery charge, with the GXM-30 plugged in the whole
time. I guess I can't really complain given Garmin's promise of 4 hours
and Aviation Consumer's observation of 2 hours.

[Mike Granby]

> Conclusion: Don't trust the battery monitoring software,
> and don't expect any real warning of an impending
> low-battery shutdown.

Amen! Mine was showing 17 hours' life, so I didn't bother taking the
power cable into the plane, and 40 mins later, the thing died! :(

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article . com>,
"Mike Granby" > wrote:

> > Conclusion: Don't trust the battery monitoring software,
> > and don't expect any real warning of an impending
> > low-battery shutdown.
>
> Amen! Mine was showing 17 hours' life, so I didn't bother taking the
> power cable into the plane, and 40 mins later, the thing died! :(

Don't you have to cycle Lion batteries a few times before they reach
maximum charge? For my laptop batteries, the manufacturer suggests
running them low and recharging once in a while to help ensure a more
accurate battery life indication, so there's some tie-in with the
software that guesstimates the battery life.



JKG

[Mike Granby]

I've cycled it, but either way, the life estimation is way off.

[Doug Vetter]

Mike Granby wrote:
> I've cycled it, but either way, the life estimation is way off.

For what it's worth, after charging overnight my unit's battery life
indicates 3:45 at full brightness (about 4:30 at moderate brightness)
with the XM antenna installed. It shows anywhere from 10-12 hours
without the antenna -- again, depending on brightness.

At this time, I have no reason to think these numbers don't represent
reality, but then again I haven't run it down yet.

-Doug

--
--------------------
Doug Vetter, CFIMEIA

http://www.dvcfi.com
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[Mike Granby]

I've had silly numbers (30+ hours) without the antenna, so perhaps it
varies from unit to unit. Still, it's not a big deal. I'm planning to
wire the unit into ship's power this weekend, so it'll be rather
academic after that. As long as it can last long enough to get me
somewhere safe if I lose electrical power, that's good enough.

[Doug Vetter]

Mike Granby wrote:
> I've had silly numbers (30+ hours) without the antenna, so perhaps it
> varies from unit to unit. Still, it's not a big deal. I'm planning to
> wire the unit into ship's power this weekend, so it'll be rather
> academic after that. As long as it can last long enough to get me
> somewhere safe if I lose electrical power, that's good enough.

You probably already did this, but upgrade the firmware to 2.40 and try
again. There's nothing specific in the release notes for 2.40
indicating a power management-related fix (and I didn't bother to read
back to the notes on the previous versions), but it shouldn't hurt to
upgrade.

If the problem persists the battery is likely at fault, as it contains
logic to transmit the state of the battery to the GPS firmware. The GPS
firmware, then, merely reports what it's being told. Try to borrow
someone else's battery and see if the problem goes away.

-Doug

--
--------------------
Doug Vetter, CFIMEIA

http://www.dvcfi.com
--------------------

[Mike Granby]

Good points, Doug. I'll try the firmware, and if that doesn't fix it,
no big deal. I notice, too, that the firmware notes mention an
improvement to Aviation In format. I'm hoping that fixes the CR vs.
CR-LF issue I've discovered that prevents use with King panel-mount
GPSs. That'll save me some work...

[Mike Noel]

FWIW, I set up my 296 to keep the display backlight on for only about 30
seconds after it detects an input from me. This makes my battery last much
longer and the display is still reasonably legible with the backlight off.


"xyzzy" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Butler wrote:
> > xyzzy wrote:
> >> Battery life seems excellent so far, I had it on for about three hours
> >> without plugging it in, and the battery meter still showed at least
> >> 7/8 charge
> >
> > Now that's really good news. I was concerned about the number of wires.
> > If the GPS reception is good on the yoke, and the battery life is good
> > enough to leave it unplugged, then life will indeed be good.
>
> Not so fast on this one. I turned on the GPS this morning for the first
> time after that flight and the battery showed over 3/4 charge, so I
> drove into work with it, about a 40 minute drive. Just as I was pulling
> into my parking space it complained of low battery and immediately
> turned itself off. I turned it back on and the battery meter showed
> over 1/2 charge.
>
> Conclusion: Don't trust the battery monitoring software, and don't
> expect any real warning of an impending low-battery shutdown.
>
> Btw adding the flight and the drive I figure I got a little over 3.5
> hours out of a full battery charge, with the GXM-30 plugged in the whole
> time. I guess I can't really complain given Garmin's promise of 4 hours
> and Aviation Consumer's observation of 2 hours.
>

[Maule Driver]

Further testing shows the floor doesn't work. Back to the tubing crotch.

BTW, I tried and rejected the yoke mount. It places the display to
close to my eyes compared to the rest of the panel (aging eyes). I
fabricated a bracket to hang it from the panel over the flap handle.
May be OK but taking a trip this weekend to test.

This is my first 'portable'. I am not happy with the wires and location
options. Definitely a compromise over panel mounts, but I guess that's
no surprise.

Maule Driver wrote:
> Well, it definitely can sit up there in the tubing crotch, well clear of
> cables, etc. But it definitely won't be removeable.
>
> I'm now looking at just laying it on the floor in the baggage area and
> stringing the cable along the floor. The extension plug will end up
> right under my seat. The question I haven't answered yet is whether it
> will receive well from there but I think it might given the extensive
> composite construction on the Maule (composite = tubing, sheet metal,
> fabric, and glass :-) )
>
>> Maule Driver wrote:
>>> It seems to work just fine up there thru fabric and insulation -
>>> perfect! I can get as far away from the compass as the cable allows.
>>> Looks like the magnet naturally finds a crotch a in the tubing to
>>> magnetize itself too.

>> Great! Just keep it away from the aileron cables.

[George Patterson]

Maule Driver wrote:
> Further testing shows the floor doesn't work. Back to the tubing crotch.

Try putting it high behind the rear bulkhead. You'll be able to get it out
easily, but it might work better there. Michelle has her ELT back there. If it
works well, you could screw a metal plate onto the rear bulkhead (above the
removable part) and attach it to that with the magnet.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Dan Luke]

"Maule Driver" wrote:

> BTW, I tried and rejected the yoke mount. It places the display to
> close to my eyes compared to the rest of the panel (aging eyes).

Trifocals.

I got my first pair eight years ago for precisely this reason. They're
perfect for flying. The bottom lens makes a yoke-mounted GPS clear, and
the middle lens is perfect for the panel (you can get the eye doc to
write the prescription for the distance you want).

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Maule Driver]

Well, I ended up with it in the overhead crotch. I might stay with that
awhile until I figure out how much I'll want to remove it for land use.

Turns out that it can easily and securely be popped in and out right
thru one of the the headliner zippers and I just let the cable hang. OK
for now.

I'll have to write a trip report for the weekend. What a machine!!

George Patterson wrote:
> Maule Driver wrote:
>
>> Further testing shows the floor doesn't work. Back to the tubing crotch.
>
>
> Try putting it high behind the rear bulkhead. You'll be able to get it
> out easily, but it might work better there. Michelle has her ELT back
> there. If it works well, you could screw a metal plate onto the rear
> bulkhead (above the removable part) and attach it to that with the magnet.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

Maule Driver wrote:
> Well, I ended up with it in the overhead crotch. I might stay with that
> awhile until I figure out how much I'll want to remove it for land use.

You might consider buying another antenna for land use. IIRC, the price is about
$240.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article <8zjTe.15758$aG.13842@trndny01>,
George Patterson > wrote:

> Maule Driver wrote:
> > Well, I ended up with it in the overhead crotch. I might stay with that
> > awhile until I figure out how much I'll want to remove it for land use.
>
> You might consider buying another antenna for land use. IIRC, the price is
> about
> $240.


There's a catch: The 396 XM antenna is also the XM receiver. XM will
only allow one receiver to be assigned to each subscription.


JKG

[Maule Driver]

I guessed that was the case.

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
> There's a catch: The 396 XM antenna is also the XM receiver. XM will
> only allow one receiver to be assigned to each subscription.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
Maule Driver > wrote:
> I guessed that was the case.
>
> Jonathan Goodish wrote:
> > There's a catch: The 396 XM antenna is also the XM receiver. XM will
> > only allow one receiver to be assigned to each subscription.

It's a shame that they couldn't get the GPS antenna in the same package
with the XM antenna/receiver. It seems to me that unless you mount it
on the yoke and keep it there (i.e. don't move it to your lap), you're
likely to lose GPS sats unless you're using the external GPS
antenna--which is another wire. Same story in the car.

One question: Do you guys protect the screen lens with anything, like a
PDA screen protector? Or is it pretty resistant to scratching?


JKG

[john smith]

In article >,
Jonathan Goodish > wrote:

> In article >,
> Maule Driver > wrote:
> > I guessed that was the case.
> >
> > Jonathan Goodish wrote:
> > > There's a catch: The 396 XM antenna is also the XM receiver. XM will
> > > only allow one receiver to be assigned to each subscription.
>
> It's a shame that they couldn't get the GPS antenna in the same package
> with the XM antenna/receiver. It seems to me that unless you mount it
> on the yoke and keep it there (i.e. don't move it to your lap), you're
> likely to lose GPS sats unless you're using the external GPS
> antenna--which is another wire. Same story in the car.
>
> One question: Do you guys protect the screen lens with anything, like a
> PDA screen protector? Or is it pretty resistant to scratching?

I do on my 195.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
john smith > wrote:
> > It's a shame that they couldn't get the GPS antenna in the same package
> > with the XM antenna/receiver. It seems to me that unless you mount it
> > on the yoke and keep it there (i.e. don't move it to your lap), you're
> > likely to lose GPS sats unless you're using the external GPS
> > antenna--which is another wire. Same story in the car.
> >
> > One question: Do you guys protect the screen lens with anything, like a
> > PDA screen protector? Or is it pretty resistant to scratching?
>
> I do on my 195.


The 195 was particularly bad because the screen lens was not recessed
like it is on just about every model after the 195, including the
296/396. However, it does seem that the screen would be easy to scratch
without too much difficulty.


JKG