Epic LT

[Flyingmonk]

Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot
Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think
AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that.
When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not
that.

Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the
Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits.

Anyone have more info on it?

Thanks,
Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[City Dweller]

http://www.epicaircraft.com

I saw it too, wonderful machine.


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot
> Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think
> AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that.
> When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not
> that.
>
> Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the
> Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits.
>
> Anyone have more info on it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

[Flyingmonk]

Dude! Thanks a bunch for the link. Very sleek looking.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"City Dweller" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.epicaircraft.com
>
> I saw it too, wonderful machine.
>
>
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot
>> Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think
>> AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that.
>> When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not
>> that.
>>
>> Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the
>> Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits.
>>
>> Anyone have more info on it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>>
>
>

That is a very nice looking plane, the jet design is very cool as well, I
bet the prop plane isn't cheap.

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DW

[Jimbob]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:15:52 -0500, "Darkwing \(Badass\)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:

>That is a very nice looking plane, the jet design is very cool as well, I
>bet the prop plane isn't cheap.
>
>---------------------------------------
>DW
>


If the pricing link has a "Contact us for pricing information" form,
you'd better be sitting down when you get the response.

I filled out one of those forms once and actually had some bozo tell
me he'd sell his software package outright for $1,000,000 or 10% of my
companies gross revenue. *Blink*




Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

[Flyingmonk]

The article in Aiplane mag saids below two mil.

[Kyle Boatright]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot
> Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think
> AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that.
> When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not
> that.
>
> Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the
> Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits.
>
> Anyone have more info on it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

The Epic folks have run into a bit of a brick wall. Their current program
is that you bring them a check for the better part of $1,000,000 and you get
to assemble your "Experimental/Amateur built" airplane in their factory with
their "factory assistance". Unfortunately, the FAA denied the initial
"homebuilt" Epic's certification, using the rationale that they didn't
believe the aircraft met the 51% rule. I.E. they thought the customer more
or less paid Epic to build it for him.

So, we have a guy who owns an uncertifiable airframe that he's paid a
million dollars for. Also, there are 3 or 4 other aircraft on the assembly
line at the factory assistance center. Those customers are probably more or
less screwed too.

Epic says it plans to certify the aircraft, but little work has been done
towards that goal. Without the income from their "Experimental/ Amateur
built" sales, I have doubts about their ability to keep the doors open
through the certification process...

KB

[Flyingmonk]

I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through
certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up
tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many
others will also, I think they have a very good product.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Kyle Boatright]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through
> certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up
> tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many
> others will also, I think they have a very good product.
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

Lots of companies plan to certify their aircraft, but it is a very expensive
and time consuming process. Ask the folks at Eclipse or the folks who have
the push me pull you twin and a jet version of the same airframe. Unless
you're very well funded, certification is a huge barrier to entering the GA
market.

My thoughts are that Epic planned to use the cash generated by kit sales to
fund certification. Unfortunately for them, that isn't going to happen. Not
only does that hurt their cashflow, it has to make investors scratch their
heads and wonder "If they screwed up the kit business this bad, can they
succeed in the certified market?" My guess is they don't have a lot of
investors beating down the doors these days.

In addition, they probably have to worry about their 4 or 5 customers (the
ones who spent a million bucks on the Epic kit) suing them for failing to
keep their promises regarding the finished kits being certifiable as
Experimental/Amateur Built. If MY million bucks was sitting in Epic's shop
and it was obvious that it would never leave the ground due to certification
issues, I'd be all over them to recover my $...

KB

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> The article in Aiplane mag saids below two mil.
>

That is one expensive Turbo Prop.

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DW

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through
>> certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up
>> tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many
>> others will also, I think they have a very good product.
>>
>> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>>
>
> Lots of companies plan to certify their aircraft, but it is a very
> expensive and time consuming process. Ask the folks at Eclipse or the
> folks who have the push me pull you twin and a jet version of the same
> airframe. Unless you're very well funded, certification is a huge barrier
> to entering the GA market.


Just wait until China decides to build "certified" aircraft. I deal with
Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is ****.

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Dw

[Flyingmonk]

I guess you have never heard of the Yaks and the Chinese made Migs, not
as bad as one might guess.

[Flyingmonk]

Sure is expensive : ^). Too much for by blood, but maybe one day...

[George Patterson]

Darkwing (Badass) wrote:
>
> I deal with
> Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is ****.

I deal with Chinese-built carpentry tools daily, and they're not.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Flyingmonk]

Some things made in china are decent, some are not. The SCUDD missiles
wre not, the AK rounds worked find. Most things they make are a 'good
bang for the buck', no pun intended. They have proven to have made
decent aircrafts, although most, if not all are Russian copies,
including the SCUDD missile and the AK 47.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[W P Dixon]

I have no problems with my Chinese SKS, which by the way has 5,10,20,30,and
40 round mags. Alot of states require a 5 round mag for hunting.I don't use
mine for hunting. Winchester Model 70 for that ;) Just don't buy Chinese
tools ;) The quality there may have gotten better, but maybe, so has a
Chrysler ;) Won't buy either!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Some things made in china are decent, some are not. The SCUDD missiles
> wre not, the AK rounds worked find. Most things they make are a 'good
> bang for the buck', no pun intended. They have proven to have made
> decent aircrafts, although most, if not all are Russian copies,
> including the SCUDD missile and the AK 47.
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

[Flyingmonk]

Your SKS takes detachable mags? Did you convert it to accept AK mags
or do the mags have that 2/12" thing hanging out in front? I heard
that once converted, they had feeding problems.

I had a Colt CAR-15 - "a shorty M-16, but semi mode only w/ telescoping
stock and shorter barrel", but for some reason, it fired in bursts when
I use one of the old mags. It fires fine with new mags. I sold it
later when I got an offer I couldn't refuse on it. That was long time
ago when I didn't know the value of a Colt. All I can find now are
copies for the price I got for mine.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[W P Dixon]

Yep,
The mags have that funky part on the front! It will unload a 40 round
banana like there is no tommorrow! They actually make mags for the SKS and
have for a longggg time. No need to try to convert to an Ak setup. Slower to
put another mag in versus an AK-47, but for the money you put in an SKS a
very effective weapon. Mine is complete with spike bayonet....it keeps the
neighbors kids in their own backyard! ;) I much prefer the AK-47 to any
M-16. M-16 is a great target rifle, very accurate even when stock. But it's
problem is it is made to well.
The AK's advantage is loose fitting parts, the Colt has close tolerance
parts. That's why the AK-47 can get dropped in a mud puddle and come out
firing, and the Colt gets alittle dirt in it and it jams. So you take that
into account as well as the rounds for the Ak and SKS are so dern
cheap,...really hard to beat them. My son has an Albanian and Yugoslavian
made SKS, and I must say they are even better made than the Chinese. But
bang for the buck, can't be beat !

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Your SKS takes detachable mags? Did you convert it to accept AK mags
> or do the mags have that 2/12" thing hanging out in front? I heard
> that once converted, they had feeding problems.
>
> I had a Colt CAR-15 - "a shorty M-16, but semi mode only w/ telescoping
> stock and shorter barrel", but for some reason, it fired in bursts when
> I use one of the old mags. It fires fine with new mags. I sold it
> later when I got an offer I couldn't refuse on it. That was long time
> ago when I didn't know the value of a Colt. All I can find now are
> copies for the price I got for mine.
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:dtMUe.4063$c27.1639@trndny01...
> Darkwing (Badass) wrote:
>>
>> I deal with Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is ****.
>
> I deal with Chinese-built carpentry tools daily, and they're not.
>
> George Patterson


Well probably most of the electronics in my house are made in China but I
guess the difference would be the automotive stuff is designed and made by a
Chinese company to sell to other companies/end user, the electronics are
designed outside of China and the QC is much higher since it is made for a
multi-national company (Sony, Panasonic, Microsoft etc.).

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DW

[Matt Barrow]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:dtMUe.4063$c27.1639@trndny01...
> Darkwing (Badass) wrote:
> >
> > I deal with
> > Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is ****.
>
> I deal with Chinese-built carpentry tools daily, and they're not.
>

My sub-contractors do, daily and extensively, and they are.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Matt Barrow]

"Darkwing (Badass)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>
> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> news:dtMUe.4063$c27.1639@trndny01...
> > Darkwing (Badass) wrote:
> >>
> >> I deal with Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is ****.
> >
> > I deal with Chinese-built carpentry tools daily, and they're not.
> >
> > George Patterson
>
>
> Well probably most of the electronics in my house are made in China but I
> guess the difference would be the automotive stuff is designed and made by
a
> Chinese company to sell to other companies/end user, the electronics are
> designed outside of China and the QC is much higher since it is made for a
> multi-national company (Sony, Panasonic, Microsoft etc.).

What is the life expectancy of consumer electronics nowadays?

BTW, last I heard, most consumer electronics for Japanese companies is made
in Korea or Singapore. Does that still hold?


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO