Airplane detailing?

[Jay Honeck]

Another opinion, please:

What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?

What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
> What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?

Depends what it included.
I love doing the detailing myself ... for me, that's part of the fun of
owning the airplane. Some days the weather looks iffy or it's crowded up
there or ya just don't feel 100% for flying, but it's still fun going to
the airport to clean/polish/fix.

> What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?

If I were going to have it done, I would think it would include washing,
waxing, vacuuming, upholstery cleaning/conditioning (if necessary), and
cleaning the panel, switches, knobs, etc. That's what *I* do when I set
out to give the airplane a thorough once over.

What do you do? or do you pay someone to do it?

[Mike W.]

I know a group at our local airport that charges $50 to wash a 150, $75 for
a 172/182, $100 for a twin etc. That's top to bottom, de-bugged, de-greased,
clean glass. So for a wax and interior clean you could probably easily
double the labor.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PeEZe.402587$xm3.345796@attbi_s21...
> Another opinion, please:
>
> What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?
>
> What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PeEZe.402587$xm3.345796@attbi_s21...
> Another opinion, please:
>
> What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?
>
> What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?

Scrubbing every nook and cranny of the bottomside, and removing all remnants
of oil, exhaust, and other gook for one! LoL!
--
Jim in NC

[Jim Burns]

Same here. That's part of what I love about owning and a great reason just
to go to the airport. I wouldn't mind if someone else washed it, but I'd
want to wax it myself. There's a certain hesitation to turning some one
else loose with all the tools to scratch the living H out of your paint and
windows.

And to have someone detail our Aztec, it would probably cost more than a
couple tanks of fuel. :(
Jim

> wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
> > What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?
>
> Depends what it included.
> I love doing the detailing myself ... for me, that's part of the fun of
> owning the airplane. Some days the weather looks iffy or it's crowded up
> there or ya just don't feel 100% for flying, but it's still fun going to
> the airport to clean/polish/fix.
>
> > What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?
>
> If I were going to have it done, I would think it would include washing,
> waxing, vacuuming, upholstery cleaning/conditioning (if necessary), and
> cleaning the panel, switches, knobs, etc. That's what *I* do when I set
> out to give the airplane a thorough once over.
>
> What do you do? or do you pay someone to do it?

[George Patterson]

Mike W. wrote:

> I know a group at our local airport that charges $50 to wash a 150, $75 for
> a 172/182, $100 for a twin etc. That's top to bottom, de-bugged, de-greased,
> clean glass. So for a wax and interior clean you could probably easily
> double the labor.

I've seen an A&P with professional cleaning equipment wash a plane the size of a
172 in about an hour. Since the shop rate was $60/hr, $75 would not be
unreasonable at all. Waxing takes *much* longer, so I would expect probably four
times the cost if you added on a wax and interior cleaning.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Jay Honeck]

>> What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?
>
> Scrubbing every nook and cranny of the bottomside, and removing all
> remnants
> of oil, exhaust, and other gook for one! LoL!

Well, that's exactly what my son does as a little business on the side.
He's been too busy to pursue it much recently, but when he's advertised he's
found a ready market of guys who absolutely don't want to clean the bottom
of their planes -- especially low-wing pilots -- and are willing to pay to
get out of having to do it!

I'm just trying to think of something else to add to a "getaway weekend
package for pilots" -- or whatever the heck we call it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> I'm just trying to think of something else to add to a "getaway weekend
> package for pilots" -- or whatever the heck we call it.

Check with the local Scout troops. The EAA chapter over at Sky Manor has an
arrangement that allows the scouts to earn money by washing planes. Perhaps you
could arrange something similar. Find someone with a typically dirty aircraft
and offer them the amount that Mike W. listed in his post. Let 'em do that one
for that amount and see if they want to do more.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
> Well, that's exactly what my son does as a little business on the side.
> He's been too busy to pursue it much recently, but when he's advertised
he's
> found a ready market of guys who absolutely don't want to clean the bottom
> of their planes -- especially low-wing pilots -- and are willing to pay to
> get out of having to do it!
>
> I'm just trying to think of something else to add to a "getaway weekend
> package for pilots" -- or whatever the heck we call it.

That sounds like a good thing to have as an option for any of your weekends
that don't involve using their planes. Perhaps you could take them for a
guided tour through your city's new "rain forest" while they are getting
their plane detailed? <smirk>
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> that don't involve using their planes. Perhaps you could take them for a
> guided tour through your city's new "rain forest" while they are getting
> their plane detailed? <smirk>

We are all hopeful that this embarrassment will be cancelled due to Katrina,
or Iraq, or *any* other good reason.

I can't believe Congress is appropriating $50 million (and that's just the
start!) to build a friggin' RAIN FOREST -- in Iowa!

Worse yet, I can't believe a voted for the idiot that is spear-heading the
effort.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Worse yet, I can't believe a voted for the idiot that is spear-heading the
> effort.

Effort? Somehow I got the impression that this was a done deal. If it's still
under discussion, do you have more details? What's the strategy? Is this a
particular bill, or is your congresscritter attempting to attach it to
everything he can?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Jay Honeck]

>> Worse yet, I can't believe a voted for the idiot that is spear-heading
>> the effort.
>
> Effort? Somehow I got the impression that this was a done deal. If it's
> still under discussion, do you have more details? What's the strategy? Is
> this a particular bill, or is your congresscritter attempting to attach it
> to everything he can?

No, it's already a done deal. But Katrina may result in "fluff" being
stripped from the budget. Let's hope this porky fluff goes by the
wayside...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Clyde]

Hey, Jay it is like spark plugs, you are better off doing it yourself.
Clyde
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PeEZe.402587$xm3.345796@attbi_s21...
> Another opinion, please:
>
> What would you pay to have your plane "detailed"?
>
> What, in your opinion, should be part of the "detailing"?
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Mike,

> I know a group at our local airport that charges $50 to wash a 150, $75 for
> a 172/182, $100 for a twin etc.
>

How well are they insured for damage they might inflict?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jay Honeck]

>> I know a group at our local airport that charges $50 to wash a 150, $75
>> for
>> a 172/182, $100 for a twin etc.
>>
>
> How well are they insured for damage they might inflict?

Well, in our case this would be my 15 year old son's small business venture.

He's terribly under-insured...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> Well, in our case this would be my 15 year old son's small business venture.
>
> He's terribly under-insured...
>

Wouldn't you as a parent be liable? And is the smiley justified in the legal
climate your son operates in, i.e. the US? Imagine a pilot crashes because
your son allegedly introduced water into the pitot-static-system...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Newps]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Jay,
>
>
>>Well, in our case this would be my 15 year old son's small business venture.
>>
>>He's terribly under-insured...
>>
>
>
> Wouldn't you as a parent be liable? And is the smiley justified in the legal
> climate your son operates in, i.e. the US? Imagine a pilot crashes because
> your son allegedly introduced water into the pitot-static-system...
>

Preflight.

[Jay Honeck]

> Wouldn't you as a parent be liable? And is the smiley justified in the
> legal
> climate your son operates in, i.e. the US? Imagine a pilot crashes because
> your son allegedly introduced water into the pitot-static-system...

Well, I suppose. But he's a pretty level headed kid, has been around planes
since birth, and never, EVER uses water to clean planes.

And, you know, if I was the type to worry about liability, I sure wouldn't
be in the business I'm in -- nor would I just toss the keys to my 6,000
pound Ford Van to any pilot who flies in.

You see, Tom, there are still parts of America where people trust each other
to do the right thing. That's why I choose to live in Iowa.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roy Page]

Well said Jay !

Roy

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:IuJ_e.171089$084.47474@attbi_s22...
>> Wouldn't you as a parent be liable? And is the smiley justified in the
>> legal
>> climate your son operates in, i.e. the US? Imagine a pilot crashes
>> because
>> your son allegedly introduced water into the pitot-static-system...
>
> Well, I suppose. But he's a pretty level headed kid, has been around
> planes since birth, and never, EVER uses water to clean planes.
>
> And, you know, if I was the type to worry about liability, I sure wouldn't
> be in the business I'm in -- nor would I just toss the keys to my 6,000
> pound Ford Van to any pilot who flies in.
>
> You see, Tom, there are still parts of America where people trust each
> other to do the right thing. That's why I choose to live in Iowa.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Mark T. Dame]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> You see, Tom, there are still parts of America where people trust each other
> to do the right thing. That's why I choose to live in Iowa.

Too bad it's so far away from the ocean...


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[Jay Honeck]

> Too bad it's so far away from the ocean...

We're only 80 minutes from an inland ocean, Lake Michigan!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John Doe]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:IuJ_e.171089$084.47474@attbi_s22...
>> Wouldn't you as a parent be liable? And is the smiley justified in the
>> legal
>> climate your son operates in, i.e. the US? Imagine a pilot crashes
>> because
>> your son allegedly introduced water into the pitot-static-system...
>
> Well, I suppose. But he's a pretty level headed kid, has been around
> planes since birth, and never, EVER uses water to clean planes.
>
> And, you know, if I was the type to worry about liability, I sure wouldn't
> be in the business I'm in -- nor would I just toss the keys to my 6,000
> pound Ford Van to any pilot who flies in.
>
> You see, Tom, there are still parts of America where people trust each
> other to do the right thing. That's why I choose to live in Iowa.

Bless you.

Tell me your field and I'll fly in to have your son wash my plane.

If we don't allow our youth a chance at aviation, who will? (seperate
subject.......)

[zatatime]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:48:56 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Well, I suppose. But he's a pretty level headed kid, has been around planes
>since birth, and never, EVER uses water to clean planes.
>
How do you wash a plane without water?


>
>You see, Tom, there are still parts of America where people trust each other
>to do the right thing. That's why I choose to live in Iowa.

I'm jealous.

z

[Jay Honeck]

> Tell me your field and I'll fly in to have your son wash my plane.

Iowa City, IA (KIOW)!

> If we don't allow our youth a chance at aviation, who will?

Exactly. Fear of litigation threatens to neuter us as a people.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Glad to hear that you have your son working at this age. I had two
paper routes when I was twelve and washed dishes at Waffle King when I
was forteen. I think its never too early to teach responsibility.
Good to hear that there are still places that people will trust
strangers to use their vehicles.

[john smith]

> How do you wash a plane without water?

"Better living through modern chemistry."
(from the movie "North Dallas Forty")

[zatatime]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:17:23 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>> How do you wash a plane without water?
>
>"Better living through modern chemistry."
>(from the movie "North Dallas Forty")


Too Funny! I thought my dad invented that phrase (for real!).

I knew it was some chemical mix, but does that actually "wash" the
plane? Maybe I'm being picky about the word but what chemicals can do
just seems a bit different to me.

z

[Jay Honeck]

> Glad to hear that you have your son working at this age. I had two
> paper routes when I was twelve and washed dishes at Waffle King when I
> was forteen. I think its never too early to teach responsibility.
> Good to hear that there are still places that people will trust
> strangers to use their vehicles.

Both of my kids work, and have since they could understand the concept. My
son is the pool boy at the hotel, cleans the parking lots, mows the lawn at
home, has many other chores, and is in honors classes. My daughter, three
years younger, is the "gardener" at the hotel, has chores, and is also in
honors classes.

They both also have to save 50% of everything they earn -- and they earn a
TON of money, for kids their age. It's astounding what they accomplish
compared with their peers -- most of whom have everything handed to them.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> How do you wash a plane without water?

Lemon Pledge, various spray cleaners, and lots of cotton diapers.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Glad to hear that you have your son working at this age. I had two
>>paper routes when I was twelve and washed dishes at Waffle King when I
>>was forteen. I think its never too early to teach responsibility.
>>Good to hear that there are still places that people will trust
>>strangers to use their vehicles.
>
>
> Both of my kids work, and have since they could understand the concept. My
> son is the pool boy at the hotel, cleans the parking lots, mows the lawn at
> home, has many other chores, and is in honors classes. My daughter, three
> years younger, is the "gardener" at the hotel, has chores, and is also in
> honors classes.
>
> They both also have to save 50% of everything they earn -- and they earn a
> TON of money, for kids their age. It's astounding what they accomplish
> compared with their peers -- most of whom have everything handed to them.

I think you should be turned in for child abuse! How can you ever
expect your children to survive in our welfare society with this sort of
preparation? :-)


Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> I think you should be turned in for child abuse! How can you ever expect
> your children to survive in our welfare society with this sort of
> preparation? :-)

Funny thing is, when my parents did it to me, I really thought it *was*
"child abuse"... :-)

I wish more parents would impress upon their children that the world really
doesn't owe them a nickel. Just imagine what we, as a society, could
accomplish?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I think you should be turned in for child abuse! How can you ever expect
>>your children to survive in our welfare society with this sort of
>>preparation? :-)
>
>
> Funny thing is, when my parents did it to me, I really thought it *was*
> "child abuse"... :-)
>
> I wish more parents would impress upon their children that the world really
> doesn't owe them a nickel. Just imagine what we, as a society, could
> accomplish?

Actually, we did accomplish a lot, but that was all before the 1930s
when we began the shift to our current welfare society.


Matt

[Flyingmonk]

My wife spoils our girls rotten : -) (material wise and money wise).
She is spoiled herself. Woes me... : -)

[Jay Honeck]

> Actually, we did accomplish a lot, but that was all before the 1930s when
> we began the shift to our current welfare society.

Well, I think in retrospect our downfall began in the '30s -- but I'd say
the zenith of American life was somewhere around 1985 -- roughly the end of
the Cold War.

At that point we still had leaders at the helm who lived through the
Depression and World War II, and could appreciate the fact that life was
very precious, and hard work was rewarded. But by then, of course, the
seeds for our own slow, painful self-destruction had been planted deep.

Oh well. It will sort itself out, as it always does, and our grand-children
will all either be speaking Chinese, or Farsi.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

>our grand-children will all either be speaking Chinese, or Farsi.

Our schools are already teaching in two languages, English and Spanish.
At Parent/Teacher meetings, the entire discussion is translated into
spanish, LIVE. I had enough of it one day and asked the translator to
translate into Lao or Thai for my wife and me. I said that if they
were going to translate, than translate for everyone or not at all.
She said they are working on that. Oh Boy... What's wrong with just
plain English, if they don't understand now, they'll understand later.
If it gets translated for them now, they will always want it translated
for them. Am I wrong?

[Mike W.]

My brother is in the Navy, married a Mexican gal who has a 9 yr old daughter
by her first marriage. My brother and his wife currently live in San Diego,
but are moving to Fallon, NV next year. The daughter lives primarily with
her granparents in TJ, they want to take her with them when they move. She
speaks some english, but whenever she is up visiting her mom, they always
speak to her in spanish. That's fine until they get to Nevada. I think they
are making it harder for her in the long run, by not making her practice her
english when she visits.

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> >our grand-children will all either be speaking Chinese, or Farsi.
>
> Our schools are already teaching in two languages, English and Spanish.
> At Parent/Teacher meetings, the entire discussion is translated into
> spanish, LIVE. I had enough of it one day and asked the translator to
> translate into Lao or Thai for my wife and me. I said that if they
> were going to translate, than translate for everyone or not at all.
> She said they are working on that. Oh Boy... What's wrong with just
> plain English, if they don't understand now, they'll understand later.
> If it gets translated for them now, they will always want it translated
> for them. Am I wrong?
>

[Jay Masino]

zatatime > wrote:
> I knew it was some chemical mix, but does that actually "wash" the
> plane? Maybe I'm being picky about the word but what chemicals can do
> just seems a bit different to me.

No, it doesn't. The other Jay has been strangely obsessed about letting
water touch his plane for years. The rest of us have been washing our
planes for many more years, with no ill effect. If you're worried about
water remaining in some nook or cranny, just slap it around the pattern,
once, after you finish washing it. Jay's method of "washing" is really
just smearing the dirt around in a slurry of wax.

--- Jay


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http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Jay Honeck]

> > I knew it was some chemical mix, but does that actually "wash" the
> > plane? Maybe I'm being picky about the word but what chemicals can do
> > just seems a bit different to me.
>
> No, it doesn't. The other Jay has been strangely obsessed about letting
> water touch his plane for years. The rest of us have been washing our
> planes for many more years, with no ill effect. If you're worried about
> water remaining in some nook or cranny, just slap it around the pattern,
> once, after you finish washing it. Jay's method of "washing" is really
> just smearing the dirt around in a slurry of wax.

Well, by using this method this "other Jay" fellow has 20 year old
paint on his motorcycle that still turns heads, and ten year old paint
on the plane that still wins admiring comments.

In my opinion, the only reason to ever wash a vehicle with water is if
it's been exposed to salt, which (unfortunately) happens frequently in
the Midwest. And even then it's the underside that really needs to be
flushed clean.

Since my airplane, motorcycle, and convertible never see salt, they
never see water. And they still look like they just rolled off the
assembly line.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> >our grand-children will all either be speaking Chinese, or Farsi.
>
> Our schools are already teaching in two languages, English and Spanish.
> At Parent/Teacher meetings, the entire discussion is translated into
> spanish, LIVE. I had enough of it one day and asked the translator to
> translate into Lao or Thai for my wife and me. I said that if they
> were going to translate, than translate for everyone or not at all.
> She said they are working on that. Oh Boy... What's wrong with just
> plain English, if they don't understand now, they'll understand later.
> If it gets translated for them now, they will always want it translated
> for them. Am I wrong?

No. You are 100% on the mark.

If we ALL protest it, maybe the government "do-gooders" who mistakenly
think they're doing these people a favor will get the message?

As I've reported here before, when I'm presented with a credit card
machine that gives me a choice of languages (at Wal-Mart, for example)
I *always* complain. I feel sorry for the poor clerk who has to hear
it, but what other outlet do we really have?

If everyone bitched, this short-sighted stupidity would be corrected.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Well, by using this method this "other Jay" fellow has 20 year old
> paint on his motorcycle that still turns heads, and ten year old paint
> on the plane that still wins admiring comments.

I agree with your method with respect to motorcycles. It's just too
difficult to get all the water spots, etc off the chrome and other nooks
and crannys. This doesn't extend to a painted airplane.

> In my opinion, the only reason to ever wash a vehicle with water is if
> it's been exposed to salt, which (unfortunately) happens frequently in
> the Midwest. And even then it's the underside that really needs to be
> flushed clean.

Other types of grease and grime can benefit from a good, soapy washing,
and it doesn't hurt anything in the airplane.



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[Flyingmonk]

Can you imagine a Prent/Teacher meeting where after every sentence
spoken, an Army of translators translating into each and every
language? The meeting would be a month long...

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[John Clonts]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message oups.com...
> Can you imagine a Prent/Teacher meeting where after every sentence
> spoken, an Army of translators translating into each and every
> language? The meeting would be a month long...
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

No, technology will "solve" that problem by allowing you to pick up a headphone or earpiece on the way into
the meeting, color coded to which language you want to hear it in. Another example of technology solving the
"wrong" problem.

Or creating other, unintended sociological problems. You ever notice that with the proliferation of cellphones
etc., people rarely talk to each other while waiting for something in a group (in a line or for a plane or
whatever)?

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[Montblack]

("John Clonts" wrote)
[snip]
> You ever notice that with the proliferation of cellphones etc., people
> rarely talk to each other while waiting for something in a group (in a
> line or for a plane or whatever)?


I had a fun one a month ago: Guy was on his cell phone, in line to pay at
our local gas station / convenience store. Lady in front of him pays and
leaves.

He walks up to pay, still talking on his phone - I'm behind him ...so (being
me <g>) I start talking to one of the gals behind the counter, "How's that
old car of yours running? How's was your vacation?" that sort of thing.

Guy on the phone turns to me (he's taken the bait) and says, "Do you mind?"
motioning to his phone. Without missing a beat I politely say, "Not at all,"
and proceed to tell the gal about buying new tires for our Honda.

Juvenile fun.


Montblack

[Sylvain]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> As I've reported here before, when I'm presented with a credit card
> machine that gives me a choice of languages (at Wal-Mart, for example)
> I *always* complain. I feel sorry for the poor clerk who has to hear
> it, but what other outlet do we really have?

never travelled abroad have you? or worse, you might be one
of these 'ugly american' tourists demanding that the locals
speak english regardless of the location...

--Sylvain

[Mike W.]

I don't think it's juvenile at all, it was he that was rude. Good for you.

I have a cell phone, but I never take it with me into a reastaurant, etc. I
don't understand what is so f*&%ing important that these people think they
have to carry on conversations while in line at the bank, at dinner etc that
can't wait ten minutes. It is impolite to all around them.

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("John Clonts" wrote)
> [snip]
> > You ever notice that with the proliferation of cellphones etc., people
> > rarely talk to each other while waiting for something in a group (in a
> > line or for a plane or whatever)?
>
>
> I had a fun one a month ago: Guy was on his cell phone, in line to pay at
> our local gas station / convenience store. Lady in front of him pays and
> leaves.
>
> He walks up to pay, still talking on his phone - I'm behind him ...so
(being
> me <g>) I start talking to one of the gals behind the counter, "How's that
> old car of yours running? How's was your vacation?" that sort of thing.
>
> Guy on the phone turns to me (he's taken the bait) and says, "Do you
mind?"
> motioning to his phone. Without missing a beat I politely say, "Not at
all,"
> and proceed to tell the gal about buying new tires for our Honda.
>
> Juvenile fun.
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Jay Honeck]

>> As I've reported here before, when I'm presented with a credit card
>> machine that gives me a choice of languages (at Wal-Mart, for example)
>> I *always* complain. I feel sorry for the poor clerk who has to hear
>> it, but what other outlet do we really have?
>
> never travelled abroad have you? or worse, you might be one
> of these 'ugly american' tourists demanding that the locals
> speak english regardless of the location...

Of course not. When I'm in a foreign country, I expect to speak the native
tongue.

Which is, after all, my point.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Mike wrote:
>My brother is in the Navy, married a Mexican gal who has a 9 yr old daughter
>by her first marriage. My brother and his wife currently live in San Diego,
>but are moving to Fallon, NV next year. The daughter lives primarily with
>her granparents in TJ, they want to take her with them when they move. She
>speaks some english, but whenever she is up visiting her mom, they always
>speak to her in spanish. That's fine until they get to Nevada. I think they
>are making it harder for her in the long run, by not making her practice her
>english when she visits.

Yes, they are making it harder for him in the long run. When I got
here to the US at the age of nine, I didn't speak a word of English.
There was no English as a Second Language (ESL) class. Within two
weeks, I was playing with all the other boys and girls my age and
getting along just fine with our made-up sign language and within six
seven months, I was speaking broken English. A year or two, maybe
three, I was getting A's in the English class.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Newps]

Mike W. wrote:


>
> I have a cell phone, but I never take it with me into a reastaurant, etc. I
> don't understand what is so f*&%ing important that these people think they
> have to carry on conversations while in line at the bank, at dinner etc that
> can't wait ten minutes. It is impolite to all around them.

You must not have teenage kids.

[Thomas Borchert]

Newps,

> > have to carry on conversations while in line at the bank, at dinner etc that
> > can't wait ten minutes. It is impolite to all around them.
>

My axiom is that people who can't behave with regard to cell phones can't behave
at all. The axiom has held well in everyday testing.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Newps]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Newps,
>
>
>>>have to carry on conversations while in line at the bank, at dinner etc that
>>>can't wait ten minutes. It is impolite to all around them.
>>
>
> My axiom is that people who can't behave with regard to cell phones can't behave
> at all. The axiom has held well in everyday testing.


That's great but I didn't write that.