I had the craziest dream, last night...

[Bret Ludwig]

It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
cards. To make a long story short, I suspect the Underhanded One rigged
the game, because Jorge was made to make me the new FAA Administrator,
and provide me with some lackeys to make any evil and rotten fantasy of
mine come true, at least as the FAR's were invilved.

So I get in there and start regulating. Of course I am burned in
effigy at Oshkosh and wherever AOPA meets, assassination attempts are
made, etc. but to no avail. I'm your worst nightmare, and I'm here to
stay.

What kind of new regulations do I enact?


1.) ELTs need no longer use special certified battery packs, killing a
major profit center for ELT makers. The ELT must be certified to use a
standard off the shelf battery. But you have to change them at 180 day
intervals.

2.) Single pilot IFR is only permitted in aircraft with single lever
power controls. Otherwise, there must be a licensed pilot or flight
engineer (A&P mechanics could qualify for a GA FE rating) in the right
seat. Exception, if the pilot is flying solo, or with a student in the
left seat.

3.) Homebuilders are only permitted to build and sell one aircraft
every two years, not counting their first one. However, they may not
build and sell another substantially identical aircraft for four years.
If they hold the A&P license or are otherwise determined to be
professionally engaged in aircraft maintenance, it's six years. This
only covers aircraft in the "Experimental Amateur-Built" subcategory,
not Experimental Exhibition, Racing, or R&D.

4.) Certificated engines operated as such in Experimental aircraft, or
nonaviation applications (e.g. PT-6's in gensets, et al) are explicitly
allowed to retain their certificated status as long as maintenance is
performed as it would be in certificated aircraft service. However, to
obtain benefits such as reduced test restrictions, Experimental
aircraft must use certificated engines under these conditions,
including the use of a propeller and other ancilliaries specifically
certificated for that engine and maintenance must be under the above
conditions.


There's more, much more, but that should get things started.

[Juan Jimenez]

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
> cards.

Didn't anyone tell you to never, ever mix taco bell, jack daniels and dove
bars?

[John Ammeter]

Welcome back, Juan... it's been pretty quiet here recently without you.

John

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
>>cards.
>
>
> Didn't anyone tell you to never, ever mix taco bell, jack daniels and dove
> bars?
>
>

[Jerry Springer]

And this is one time I totally agree with Juan.:-)

Jerry

John Ammeter wrote:
> Welcome back, Juan... it's been pretty quiet here recently without you.
>
> John
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>> It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
>>> cards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Didn't anyone tell you to never, ever mix taco bell, jack daniels and
>> dove bars?
>>

[jerry wass]

Jerry Springer wrote:
> And this is one time I totally agree with Juan.:-)
>
> Jerry
>
> John Ammeter wrote:
>
>> Welcome back, Juan... it's been pretty quiet here recently without you.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>>> It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
>>>> cards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Didn't anyone tell you to never, ever mix taco bell, jack daniels and
>>> dove bars?

Wot the ell is a dove bar??----No, really I never heard of one--(small
town in Okla.)
>>>

[[email protected]]

Please keep in mind that Dove Bars also have about 3000 grams of
saturated fat in each one, so when those chest pains start shooting
down your left arm and up your neck while you gasp for breath, try to
remember how many of them you ate and how good they tasted.

[Juan Jimenez]

A 6.6 pound Dove Bar. And that's just the saturated fat. What a concept.
Not.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Please keep in mind that Dove Bars also have about 3000 grams of
> saturated fat in each one, so when those chest pains start shooting
> down your left arm and up your neck while you gasp for breath, try to
> remember how many of them you ate and how good they tasted.
>

[Juan Jimenez]

You people are like the foam-at-the-mouth right wingers who used to hang out
in Jerry Pournelle's roundtable on the GEnie info service. They absolutely
hated it when I would stroll by, rattle the cages and got everyone's
feathers out of whack. They'd ask the management to have me thrown out (by
which time I was already home, drinking coffee and reading the paper), then
they'd complain the place was awfully boring without me, so they'd all get
together and ask me to please come back. Sheesh.

Anyway, I've been busy working on the prep for the first condition
inspection, the one the FAA wants because it's exhibition, not
amateur-built. After 4 long years of hard work finishing the crazy pocket
rocket dream, it passed on Friday.

http://www.bd5.com/airworthy.pdf


"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
> Welcome back, Juan... it's been pretty quiet here recently without you.
>
> John
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>>It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
>>>cards.
>>
>>
>> Didn't anyone tell you to never, ever mix taco bell, jack daniels and
>> dove bars?

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "JJ" == Juan Jimenez > writes:

JJ> Anyway, I've been busy working on the prep for the first
JJ> condition inspection, the one the FAA wants because it's
JJ> exhibition, not amateur-built. After 4 long years of hard work
JJ> finishing the crazy pocket rocket dream, it passed on Friday.

JJ> http://www.bd5.com/airworthy.pdf

Dude! Where's the airplane?? Pix, ya know....

[Stealth Pilot]

On 22 Oct 2005 17:38:56 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" >
wrote:

> It involv
> 1.) ELTs need no longer use special certified battery packs, killing a
>major profit center for ELT makers. The ELT must be certified to use a
>standard off the shelf battery. But you have to change them at 180 day
>intervals.
>
that elt battery stuff has always perplexed me. I put fresh batteries
in my gps before launching off on a cross country. why cant I just do
that with the elt as well????


>
> 3.) Homebuilders are only permitted to build and sell one aircraft
>every two years, not counting their first one. However, they may not
>build and sell another substantially identical aircraft for four years.
>If they hold the A&P license or are otherwise determined to be
>professionally engaged in aircraft maintenance, it's six years. This
>only covers aircraft in the "Experimental Amateur-Built" subcategory,
>not Experimental Exhibition, Racing, or R&D.
>
how about for each aircraft put up for sale beyond the first it has to
be inspected for quality of workmanship and must pass without an error
or fault being found before sale. it also must have a full flight
program conducted and documented on it prior to sale.

the point is who gives a stuff who built the aircraft. what is
required is sound airworthy workmanship.
I can show you some absolutely shonky rivetting that came out of a
pranged commercial twin.(amazingly it fared as well as the good
rivetting)


> 4.) Certificated engines operated as such in Experimental aircraft, or

all this is bull****. you have a mental framework based on the
legislation around you. go have a look at what the canadians allow in
their regulations and be prepared for an eyeopener.
real people can maintain real aircraft in really arduous environments
to a quality and level of serviceability that most of the regulators
believe impossible....and their regulations reflect their disbelief.

Stealth(keep on dreamin' though :-) ) Pilot
Australia

[George Patterson]

wrote:
> Please keep in mind that Dove Bars also have about 3000 grams of
> saturated fat in each one,

Try posting something that's true once in a while.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[John Kunkel]

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It involved me, George W. Bushusuru, and the Devil and a deck of
> cards. To make a long story short, I suspect the Underhanded One rigged
> the game, because Jorge was made to make me the new FAA Administrator,
> and provide me with some lackeys to make any evil and rotten fantasy of
> mine come true, at least as the FAR's were invilved.
>
> So I get in there and start regulating. Of course I am burned in
> effigy at Oshkosh and wherever AOPA meets, assassination attempts are
> made, etc. but to no avail. I'm your worst nightmare, and I'm here to
> stay.
>
> What kind of new regulations do I enact?
>
>
> 1.) ELTs need no longer use special certified battery packs, killing a
> major profit center for ELT makers. The ELT must be certified to use a
> standard off the shelf battery. But you have to change them at 180 day
> intervals.

You mean like the ACK which has been around for ages, takes off the shelf
Duracell batteries with a life of 4+ years?

[Roger]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:42:38 -0700, Bashir Salamati
> wrote:


.. A ‘Frozen Novelty’ to be exact. Every time the guy
>thrust his hand into the freezer to pull out the novelty all I could
>think of was how nice it would be to put my head in that freezer. Not
>for a long time. Just long enough to cool off, but not long enough
>for the police to arrive.

That's strange as Dove is a copyrighted name and they sell soap.

Dove bar = bar of soap at least if you ask for a Dove bar here in
Central Michigan that's what you get.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[George Patterson]

Roger wrote:

> That's strange as Dove is a copyrighted name and they sell soap.

There's also a company that makes chocolate under the Dove name. They own the
Dove trademark. That's the company that makes Dove bars, which are chocolate
covered ice cream bars.

http://www.dovebar.com/dove/index.htm

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[UltraJohn]

Roger wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:42:38 -0700, Bashir Salamati
> > wrote:
>
>
> . A ‘Frozen Novelty’ to be exact. Every time the guy
>>thrust his hand into the freezer to pull out the novelty all I could
>>think of was how nice it would be to put my head in that freezer. Not
>>for a long time. Just long enough to cool off, but not long enough
>>for the police to arrive.
>
> That's strange as Dove is a copyrighted name and they sell soap.
>

Incorrect copyrighting is for literature, trademarks are for symbols etc.

Below are two entries from the usto office (of 441 entries under dove mind
you).


Word Mark DOVE
Goods and Services IC 030. US 046. G & S: Confectionery, namely candy, and
frozen confections
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 011525 060303 080325 260126 261121
Serial Number 78569469
Filing Date February 17, 2005
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Mars, Incorporated CORPORATION DELAWARE 6885 Elm Street
McLean VIRGINIA 221013883
Attorney of Record Leslie K. Mitchell, Esq.
Prior Registrations 1404307;2012056;2185474
Description of Mark The mark consists of the word "DOVE" in stylized letters
with a stylized underlining below the letters "O", "V" and "E". There are
two pieces of candy falling into a swirl. Rays appear in the left hand
corner.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Word Mark DOVE
Goods and Services IC 003. US 001 004 006 050 051 052. G & S: skin lotion
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78551868
Filing Date January 21, 2005
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Chesebrough-Pond's Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 501
Silverside Road Wilmington DELAWARE 19809
Attorney of Record Kenneth C. Leonard
Prior Registrations 2803161;2839060;2897852;AND OTHERS
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Roger > writes:

> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:42:38 -0700, Bashir Salamati
> > wrote:
>
>
> . A ‘Frozen Novelty’ to be exact. Every time the guy
> >thrust his hand into the freezer to pull out the novelty all I could
> >think of was how nice it would be to put my head in that freezer. Not
> >for a long time. Just long enough to cool off, but not long enough
> >for the police to arrive.
>
> That's strange as Dove is a copyrighted name and they sell soap.
>
> Dove bar = bar of soap at least if you ask for a Dove bar here in
> Central Michigan that's what you get.

That kind of brand name is protected by trademark, not by copyright.
And trademark is divided up into market segments, and a trademark
registration is valid in only one market segment. I presume soap and
candy (or ice-cream treats) are in different market segments, because
I'm familiar with both the soap *and* the candy and ice-cream treats.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

[Roger]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:42:07 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>
>> That's strange as Dove is a copyrighted name and they sell soap.
>
>There's also a company that makes chocolate under the Dove name. They own the
>Dove trademark. That's the company that makes Dove bars, which are chocolate
>covered ice cream bars.

Makes you wonder if it's the same company and they just use different
wrappers. Man, but those bars clean you right out!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>http://www.dovebar.com/dove/index.htm
>
>George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[George Patterson]

Roger wrote:

> Makes you wonder if it's the same company and they just use different
> wrappers. Man, but those bars clean you right out!

Dunno. I never tried to eat the soap. Come to that, I haven't tried to shower
with the ice cream, either. :-)

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Roger]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:56:39 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>
>> Makes you wonder if it's the same company and they just use different
>> wrappers. Man, but those bars clean you right out!
>
>Dunno. I never tried to eat the soap. Come to that, I haven't tried to shower
>with the ice cream, either. :-)
>
Conserve water, Shower with a friend!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[[email protected]]

>You mean like the ACK which has been around for ages, takes off the shelf
>Duracell batteries with a life of 4+ years?

And the Ameri-King, too.

Dan