Cat in plane

[soxinbox]

Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?

[Drew Dalgleish]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:14:39 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:

>Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
>out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>
>
mine used to barf after exactly 20 min. never fly more than 19 min
with a cat in your plane.

[xyzzy]

soxinbox wrote:

> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?


I once flew four cats, in carriers, in a Warrior at about 5000 feet for
an hour and a half flight. Three were in the baggage compartment and
one was in the back seat.

They flew fine. No vomiting and very little noise from them. They had
no adverse effects after the flight. Of course it was also a pretty
smooth night flight. The story might have been different if it was
turbulent.

It's probably like dogs or children or spouses or any other passenger:
it depends on the personality of the cat.

--
"You can support the troops but not the president"
--Representative Tom Delay (R-TX), during the Kosovo war.

[Grumman 236]

The hair will compromise many of the critical systems in the plane. I
would only fly with one if it was put in a large zip-lock bag for the
duration of the flight:>)

[Walter Kronester]

Cat as the only passenger of an airline flight!

A report in several European Newspapers today:
"Czech Airlines (CSA) said Friday it had to cancel a regular flight from
Frankfurt to Prague on Thursday morning after technicians had failed
to catch a cat that got lost in the cargo space of the plane. CSA
spokeswoman Jitka Novotna said the scared animal had hidden
somewhere in the plane after technicians had been trying
to catch it with little success for several hours. A substitute crew
arrived from Prague to pick up the plane at the Frankfurt airport
and, with the cat as the only passenger, flew to Prague in the end,
said Novotna. Czech technicians finally managed to catch the cat
and handed it over to vets."
From the Prague Daily Monitor
--
regards Walter

[Maule Driver]

I interviewed my cat once, he said, "put me in a box, I don't want to
see anything. Don't hold me, feed me, or show me anything. I just want
it to be over with and I'd prefer if it were a round trip so I can spit
up hairballs in all the usual places. Thank you"




soxinbox wrote:
> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>
>

[Paul kgyy]

Ours hates just riding in a car.

I'd be inclined to use a carrier, maybe covered with something that
will keep it dark but breathable.

[john smith]

In article >,
"soxinbox" > wrote:

> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?

I believe it was Bax that wrote of the cat and duck method of instrument
flying.

[Ben Hallert]

> I believe it was Bax that wrote of the cat and duck method of instrument
> flying.
Let me guess, the cat provides artificial horizon (as the cat will
always be oriented feet down for landing) and the duck would provide
compass inputs?

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

[Jimmy B.]

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:14:39 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:
>
>
>>Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
>>out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>>
>>
>
> mine used to barf after exactly 20 min. never fly more than 19 min
> with a cat in your plane.


I can hear it now:

"Tower, request priority handling for approach."

"What's the nature of your problem?"

"My cat's getting ready to barf."

"Roger, number one to land."

:-)

[DavidM]

soxinbox wrote:

> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?

In summer 2005, we bought two one-year-old cats from a breeder in
upstate New York and flew them back to Canada (in travel crates, tied
down in the luggage area). As with our dog, a Border Collie who flies
frequently, they just settled down for the flight.

I would never fly with a cat unless it was in a cage, though.


All the best,


David

[BillJ]

soxinbox wrote:
> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>
>
We have high strung Siamese (2) and our son has 2. We exchange them back
and forth on a 1.5 hr flight often. Always in carriers. They usually
drool big time. Towel gets wet back there.

One time we had a 10 week old kitten on the flight and decided to let it
out of the cage for holding and petting. All fine UNTIL it looked out
the window. Went nuts, tail puffed up, and hissed and paced. After that
flight, it does fine with no interest in looking.

Always use a carrier. No altitude or noise effects (plane noise that is,
lots of cat noises). We cover the carriers up with old blankets unless
it is hot.

[zatatime]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:12:00 GMT,
(Drew Dalgleish) wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:14:39 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:
>
>>Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
>>out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>>
>>
>mine used to barf after exactly 20 min. never fly more than 19 min
>with a cat in your plane.


You made me laugh so hard I spit!!!!!!!!!!!

A good thing at the end of the day.

z

[George Patterson]

Maule Driver wrote:
> I interviewed my cat once, he said, ...

Well, I just interviewed mine. Mercury said "Cool, can I ride up front?" Vixen
said it's fine if she can sit in my lap the whole way. Jezebel wants to know
what a plane is, but she fell asleep during the explanation. Attila promptly hid
under the bed. Lucy decided to follow Attila. Meercat said "No way. I've got to
sit in the front window and stand guard for the Feline Opposable Thumb Project."

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Gene Seibel]

This one did well on the flight, but has refused to come near me since.
http://pad39a.com/gene/cat.html
--
Gene Seibel
Confessions of a Pilot - http://pad39a.com/publishing/
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[David Lesher]

Does anyone else recall Ed Gauss's post about the hunter's dog????


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[N93332]

"Paul kgyy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Ours hates just riding in a car.


See http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Ford_sportka2.wmv

;-?

[Dan Luke]

"Ben Hallert" wrote:

>> I believe it was Bax that wrote of the cat and duck method of
>> instrument
>> flying.
> Let me guess, the cat provides artificial horizon (as the cat will
> always be oriented feet down for landing)

Yep.

> and the duck would provide compass inputs?

Nope. The duck is for getting you out of the clouds. Ducks don't fly
instruments, so if you find yourself in trouble in the clag, throw the
duck out of the airplane and follow him to VMC.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Michael]

> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?

I've had a cat in the plane. It wasn't fun.

After a long day of flying, hanging out, eating burgers, and generally
having fun, it was time to depart for home. But as often happens on a
beautiful warm evening, I didn't get around to going until after dark.
I had flown the plane several times that day with no issues, so a
walkaround with a flashlight quickly convinced me that there were no
issues that would prevent me from making the 15 minute flight home.

I got in, strapped in, started up, did a quick runup and pulled out
onto the runway. The runway was grass with no markings, but it did
have lights. Off the end of the runway there were only open fields,
so there was something of a black hole effect, but the plane had a
full gyro panel and I was prepared for this.

I was not prepared for what happened at rotation. There was a sharp
pain in my left shoulder, and then a big fat fuzzy thing climbed into
my lap, completely blocking my view of the instrument panel. It was a
cat from one of the hangar homes.

I generally like cats, and really don't mind them climbing on my lap
to be petted under normal circumstances, but this was a little much.
Keeping one hand on the yoke, I used the other to try and shoo the cat
away. I didn't dare lower the nose - there were power lines that I
had to clear - so I stared off into the darkness trying to discern a
horizon. There were a few lights in the distance, and by holding
those in position relative to the bracing tubes in the cockpit, I
maintained some semblance of a wings-level climb attitude.

The cat, now throughly miffed, climbed off my lap and onto the dash.
This was an improvement of sorts - I could now see the instruments -
but a big chunk of my view forward was blocked and that would not do
for landing. The cat curled up in the corner of the windshield to
sulk.

More prodding got the feline to move, and as she tried to cross to the
other side of the dash, I grabbed the furball and threw her into the
back seat. All this took about a minute, I think, since I was now at
about 600 ft. I turned crosswind, flew a pattern, and landed without
further incident to an accompaniment of annoyed meowing from the back.
I then reached into the back, opened the rear door, and the stowaway
made her escape.

My second attempt at returning home was uneventful.

Michael

[Maule Driver]

George Patterson wrote:
> Well, I just interviewed mine. Mercury said "Cool, can I ride up front?"
> Vixen said it's fine if she can sit in my lap the whole way. Jezebel
> wants to know what a plane is, but she fell asleep during the
> explanation. Attila promptly hid under the bed. Lucy decided to follow
> Attila. Meercat said "No way. I've got to sit in the front window and
> stand guard for the Feline Opposable Thumb Project."
>
Hee Hee!

I knew we shouldn't have removed our cat's needle and ball....

[Tri-Pacer]

>
> More prodding got the feline to move, and as she tried to cross to the
> other side of the dash, I grabbed the furball and threw her into the
> back seat.

Didn't you have a window that opened? <Grin>

[Jay Honeck]

N93332 wrote:
> > Ours hates just riding in a car.
>
> See http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Ford_sportka2.wmv
>
> ;-?

Hee hee!

As my grand-father used to say, "the only good cat is a...tennis
racket..."

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Clyde]

A few years back I remember reading about a "Never again" or "I learned
about flying from that", concerning a flight in a C-150. The flight was
going south on the east coast, and there was a wife, mother-in-law and her
cat involved. It was a humorous story, I believe the ending was a scratched
up pilot, ripped up interior of the aircraft and one disowned mother-in-law.
Not sure what happen to the cat, but I know what I would of done with the
cat, test out the nine lives theory.
Clyde

"soxinbox" > wrote in message
. ..
> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in
altitude?
>
>

[Robert M. Gary]

I assume the purpose is to drop them at altitude to see if they really
do always land on their feet?
-Robert

[skym]

I hope this is a joke. Cats are not likely to try to hump your leg,
drool on you or your stuff, have terrible breath, fart like hell, or
crap indiscriminately. They beat the hell out of dogs. This is a very
touchy subject, as you might well imagine. ;)

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skym > wrote:
> I hope this is a joke. Cats are not likely to try to hump your leg,
> drool on you or your stuff, have terrible breath, fart like hell, or
> crap indiscriminately. They beat the hell out of dogs. This is a very
> touchy subject, as you might well imagine. ;)

Hmmm, the wife's cat sneezes on me all the time, has terrible breath,
trys to chew on me when attention is wanted and farts on a regular basis.

Sounds more like a which is better, Coke or Pepsi, proposition.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Jay Honeck]

>> I hope this is a joke. Cats are not likely to try to hump your leg,
>> drool on you or your stuff, have terrible breath, fart like hell, or
>> crap indiscriminately. They beat the hell out of dogs. This is a very
>> touchy subject, as you might well imagine. ;)
>
> Hmmm, the wife's cat sneezes on me all the time, has terrible breath,
> trys to chew on me when attention is wanted and farts on a regular basis.

What clinches the cat versus dog debate for me is the sure knowledge that
when a cat is looking at you, it's only trying to figure out how to eat
you -- if only you weren't so danged big!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> What clinches the cat versus dog debate for me is the sure knowledge that
> when a cat is looking at you, it's only trying to figure out how to eat
> you -- if only you weren't so danged big!

No, it's not. It's trying to figure out why you can work the can opener and it
can't.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Robert M. Gary]

At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.
-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

Holy cow! I just got that. A Cessna 150 with a pilot, the wife and the
mother-in-law w/ cat? That's one tight C-150!
-Robert

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

> What clinches the cat versus dog debate for me is the sure knowledge
> that when a cat is looking at you, it's only trying to figure out how
> to eat you -- if only you weren't so danged big!

No cat has ever gone out of its way to attack me without provocation.
Dogs did twice when I was a child.

More people are killed by dogs every year in the U. S. than by sharks
and poisonous snakes combined. That clinches the cat versus dog debate
for me.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

> At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
> stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.

Dogs suck up to you because they perceive you as the pack leader. Do
not confuse ass-kissing with love.

A cat bonds with a human as a mother substitute; not exactly true love,
but closer.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Jay Honeck]

> No cat has ever gone out of its way to attack me without provocation. Dogs
> did twice when I was a child.
>
> More people are killed by dogs every year in the U. S. than by sharks and
> poisonous snakes combined. That clinches the cat versus dog debate for
> me.

Well, there are "dogs" and there are "DOGS."

Everything from a tiny Peek-a-poo to a giant Rottweiler is counted as a
"dog". I, for one, regard the breeding of giant dogs for in-home use to be
goofy in the extreme. It's cruel to the animal, and can result in
disasters like you mention.

The equivalent in the cat world would be to try to keep a full-sized cougar
in your home -- which few are dumb enough to try.

With good reason, I might add. Back to my original point.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Dogs and women, you can't tell who the owner is without a license!

[Robert M. Gary]

> More people are killed by dogs every year in the U. S. than by sharks
> and poisonous snakes combined. That clinches the cat versus dog debate
> for me.

How many people keep sharks in their house as pets. I think you are
comparing apples and oranges.

[Dan Luke]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> More people are killed by dogs every year in the U. S. than by sharks
>> and poisonous snakes combined. That clinches the cat versus dog debate
>> for me.
>
> How many people keep sharks in their house as pets. I think you are
> comparing apples and oranges.

Are all victims of dog attacks killed by their own pets?

A powerful dog is a hazard to the public in the same way a poisonous snake
is--except that dogs are much more aggressive. You can be killed in a random
encounter with either one, but the snake will not chase you down to kill you.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
>> No cat has ever gone out of its way to attack me without provocation.
Dogs
>> did twice when I was a child.
>>
>> More people are killed by dogs every year in the U. S. than by sharks and
>> poisonous snakes combined. That clinches the cat versus dog debate for
>> me.
>
> Well, there are "dogs" and there are "DOGS."
>
> Everything from a tiny Peek-a-poo to a giant Rottweiler is counted as a
> "dog". I, for one, regard the breeding of giant dogs for in-home use to
> be goofy in the extreme. It's cruel to the animal, and can result in
> disasters like you mention.

One of the dogs that attacked me as a child was a Cocker Spaniel. Size has
nothing to do with the canine inclination to violence, as anyone who has been
bitten by a Chihuahua could tell you.

> The equivalent in the cat world would be to try to keep a full-sized cougar
> in your home -- which few are dumb enough to try.

No, it wouldn't. House cats and cougars are different species. Unlike
domestic dogs and cats, cougars have not been subjected to thousands of years
of breeding by humans for tameness. Apparently, we still have a way to go
with dogs.

> With good reason, I might add. Back to my original point.

Your original point was that you could read cats' minds, and this amazing
power informed you that cats harbor secret carnivorous yearnings for humans.
Pardon me if, absent any evidence that this is so, I have my doubts.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"George Patterson" wrote:
>> What clinches the cat versus dog debate for me is the sure knowledge that
>> when a cat is looking at you, it's only trying to figure out how to eat
>> you -- if only you weren't so danged big!
>
> No, it's not. It's trying to figure out why you can work the can opener and
> it can't.

My daughter contends that cats spend most of their time with their brains on
"standby" to preserve what few neurons they possess. Thus a cat that appears
to be studying you is in reality just zoned out.

--
Dan

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

[Dave]

well..

I guess pets mirror their environment....and their owners
ery well...especially cats.....

I like animals..and have two cats that are very affectionate,
great buddies and friends. And they are different as night and day.

Never taken them in the Warrior, but if it was necessary,
would have them in a carrier regardless.

They have the freedom of our boat, and have a LOT of sea miles
on them... no issues.

But they travel in the carrier in the car to and from the
boat. I would equate the plane to the car as far as travelling with
the cats..

Dave


On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:59 -0600, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>
>"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>
>> At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
>> stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.
>
>Dogs suck up to you because they perceive you as the pack leader. Do
>not confuse ass-kissing with love.
>
>A cat bonds with a human as a mother substitute; not exactly true love,
>but closer.

[DavidM]

skym wrote:

> I hope this is a joke. Cats are not likely to try to hump your leg,
> drool on you or your stuff, have terrible breath, fart like hell, or
> crap indiscriminately.

My cats do 4 out of the 5; my dog does only 2.


All the best,


David

[Eduardo K.]

In article om>,
Robert M. Gary > wrote:
>At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
>stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.
>

I beg to differ... I have a cat (Prudencia) and she for sure loves me. She's
always 3 feet from me when ever I'am awake, and waits until I'm asleep or
gone to work before going out of the house. If she misbehaves and I
yell at her, she ignores me for a day (which means 10 feet instead of 3).

She's a very nice cat. And she comes when I call her...


--
Eduardo K. |
http://www.carfun.cl | Freedom's just another word
http://e.nn.cl | for nothing left to lose.
|

[Dave]

Agreed...

We treat ours like family, and get the same in return..I get met at
the door when arriving home etc.

They sence when things are good or bad, sad or happy etc.

When my wife was ill some time ago, the cats were always near, the
little girl never left her side....

They respond in kind...

Dogs seem willing to do anything to please the pack leader..Cats are
independent, and the relationship has to be earned.

Dave



meOn Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:41:26 GMT, B A R R Y
> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:28:47 +0000 (UTC), Eduardo K.
> wrote:
>
>>She's a very nice cat. And she comes when I call her...
>
>I have a cat that does the same.
>
>It's all in the interaction!

[George Patterson]

Robert M. Gary wrote:

> Both appear equally as loving.

Perhaps to you. I've had several cats that loved me. Of the ones we have now,
Vixen thinks I hung the moon because I dug her kittens out of a collapsed
groundhog hole years ago. Jezebel dotes on Elisabeth because Elisabeth broke her
out of the humane society jail. Meercat is like a sister to Peter because they
grew up together. As with most siblings, that's a love/hate relationship.

Of the other three, Mercury likes everybody, but I can't say he loves anyone.
Lucy is retarded (literally). She loves Mercury (sometimes) and chicken (all the
time). Atilla is scared of people.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Dan Luke]

"George Patterson" wrote:

> Perhaps to you. I've had several cats that loved me.

Have you noticed that all cat haters you've met are people who were not
raised with cats as pets? I think this is because these folks simply do
not speak Cat, a language one must learn young, apparently. Thus they
misinterpret cat signals as hostility, aloofness, sneakiness, etc. I've
met only one person who came to like cats as an adult, and never met a
cat hater who was raised with them.

A cat is a project. It requires proper rearing to become a good pet.
Some people have the knack for it (it seems your family does), some
don't. The best pets usually happen when the animals are acquired very
young and handled with gentle discipline and love.

Exactly the same thing is true of dogs, of course, but one can get away
with ignoring the proper rearing of a cat with less dire consequences
than one suffers from a delinquent dog. Cats are lower maintenance than
dogs and thus tend to get ignored more often, resulting in the aloof,
shy animals that contribute to cats' reputation among non-cat people.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[George Patterson]

Dan Luke wrote:

> Have you noticed that all cat haters you've met are people who were not
> raised with cats as pets?

I suspect you're right; at least, I've noticed many cases of that. The reverse
isn't 100% true, however. We never had cats at my parent's house. I got adopted
by one when I was 22 years old.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Dave]

That is probably the least understood part about cats... once we
learned "catspeak" and understood what the cat's body language and
sounds meant, we were amazed how well they communicate..

Call a dog by name and it (usually) comes instantly, tail wagging,
OBVIOUSLY happy to see you..

The SAME response by a cat is usually an exaggerated squint...both
eyes.....

To the casual observer, the cat has not responded at all...

But to those who understand cat... the message is very clear...

There is lots more, but this an aviation thread right? :)

For those who have, cat carrier on a seat or in the baggage
compartment?

I think I would keep it on the seat, if space was available...

Dave


On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:31:14 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Have you noticed that all cat haters you've met are people who were not
>> raised with cats as pets?
>
>I suspect you're right; at least, I've noticed many cases of that. The reverse
>isn't 100% true, however. We never had cats at my parent's house. I got adopted
>by one when I was 22 years old.
>
>George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you noticed that all cat haters you've met are people who were not
> raised with cats as pets?

Actually, the one, over-arching most common trait of cat-haters is being
allergic to them.

I've always been fascinated by cats, but they make me sneeze and puff up.
Therefore, I hate them just as much as I hate ragweed...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

> I've always been fascinated by cats, but they make me sneeze and puff
> up. Therefore, I hate them just as much as I hate ragweed...

I'll bet if you'd been around them from infancy you wouldn't be
allergic. I believe there is evidence that exposure to allergens from
an early age--even prenatally--confers immunity.

[George Patterson]

Dan Luke wrote:

> I'll bet if you'd been around them from infancy you wouldn't be
> allergic. I believe there is evidence that exposure to allergens from
> an early age--even prenatally--confers immunity.

According to an allergist I used to see, it works both ways. You can develop an
allergy by excessive exposure to the allergen. In fact, he's absolutely certain
that I will have to get rid of my cats sooner or later.

And it is true that I developed an extreme allergy to dogs by keeping Scottish
terriers in the house for a couple decades.

I think your statement applies more to plants than other items. I grew up in the
South and have no allergies to any plant common in the area. I'm allergic to a
few that are common up here, though.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Jay Honeck]

> I'll bet if you'd been around them from infancy you wouldn't be allergic.
> I believe there is evidence that exposure to allergens from an early
> age--even prenatally--confers immunity.

Well, that theory certainly didn't work for me with Timothy grass.

According to the "scratch tests", I'm as allergic to the stuff as a human
can be. And, of course, it's everywhere.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roger]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:48:29 -0800, "Clyde" >
wrote:

>A few years back I remember reading about a "Never again" or "I learned
>about flying from that", concerning a flight in a C-150. The flight was

There was the story, titled "Cat's Don't Fly Well" in one of the mags
a few years back, but as I recall he was flying a twin. Ended up
doing an emergency landing in field after the cat tried to imitate a
starfish draped over his head. Last he saw of the cat was it heading
for the woods. It was his girlfriends cat.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>going south on the east coast, and there was a wife, mother-in-law and her
>cat involved. It was a humorous story, I believe the ending was a scratched
>up pilot, ripped up interior of the aircraft and one disowned mother-in-law.
>Not sure what happen to the cat, but I know what I would of done with the
>cat, test out the nine lives theory.
>Clyde
>
>"soxinbox" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
>> out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in
>altitude?
>>
>>
>

[Roger]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:28:47 +0000 (UTC), Eduardo K.
> wrote:

>In article om>,
>Robert M. Gary > wrote:
>>At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
>>stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.
>>
>
>I beg to differ... I have a cat (Prudencia) and she for sure loves me. She's
>always 3 feet from me when ever I'am awake, and waits until I'm asleep or
>gone to work before going out of the house. If she misbehaves and I
>yell at her, she ignores me for a day (which means 10 feet instead of 3).
>
>She's a very nice cat. And she comes when I call her...

When I pull into the driveway Streak comes running across the yard to
greet me just like a dog. OTOH he's darn near as big as some and even
bigger than the little ones. 40" toes to toes 16#, and about 13 to
14" tall at the shoulders and hates dogs, although the neighbors had a
little shih-zu (sp?) he'd play with.

He minds ... fairly well. Unbelievably well for a cat. If he gets
scolded he'll hide for a little while and then he'll be underfoot
(kissing up) trying to make up what ever upset me even though he knows
he couldn't have done anything wrong. If he want's out he'll stand on
his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
knob. Reaching it is no problem as he can even reach the dead bolt.
He likes to share and brings me mouse parts every once in a while, but
I wish he'd quite putting them on my magazines before I've finished
reading them.

Streak is mostly cat, but the one we had before him minded better than
most people's kids, understood about 20 words. You could tell him to
go in the house and which room and he'd do it. He loved to ride in
cars. He and the same neighbor's dog would rough house
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/smokydog.htm

Both cats liked to play catch where I'd toss them up and catch them.
Streak wraps his front legs around the hind ones and curls up into a
ball when I play "toss the cat" with him. I've been told Streak has
figured it's time to kiss his ass good by in case I miss catching him.
I have incentive not to miss as that cat has claws!
Big, sharp claws.

Streak does not like cars! That means Vet and he want's nothing to do
with going there. Ever since his first trip to the Vet he's forgotten
why he want's to go out at night. He still want's to go, he just
doesn't remember why.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Margy]

Roger wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:28:47 +0000 (UTC), Eduardo K.
> > wrote:
>
>
>>In article om>,
>>Robert M. Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>At least a dog loves you in return. What's the difference between a
>>>stuffed dog and a cat? Both appear equally as loving.
>>>
>>
>>I beg to differ... I have a cat (Prudencia) and she for sure loves me. She's
>>always 3 feet from me when ever I'am awake, and waits until I'm asleep or
>>gone to work before going out of the house. If she misbehaves and I
>>yell at her, she ignores me for a day (which means 10 feet instead of 3).
>>
>>She's a very nice cat. And she comes when I call her...
>
>
> When I pull into the driveway Streak comes running across the yard to
> greet me just like a dog. OTOH he's darn near as big as some and even
> bigger than the little ones. 40" toes to toes 16#, and about 13 to
> 14" tall at the shoulders and hates dogs, although the neighbors had a
> little shih-zu (sp?) he'd play with.
>
Fred comes when called even if she knows it's for her medicine. She's
not happy about it, but she comes. Once in a while it's tuna instead.

> He minds ... fairly well. Unbelievably well for a cat. If he gets
> scolded he'll hide for a little while and then he'll be underfoot
> (kissing up) trying to make up what ever upset me even though he knows
> he couldn't have done anything wrong. If he want's out he'll stand on
> his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
> knob. Reaching it is no problem as he can even reach the dead bolt.
> He likes to share and brings me mouse parts every once in a while, but
> I wish he'd quite putting them on my magazines before I've finished
> reading them.
We had one that would ring the bell. We always knew it was him, he was
the only one who rang the back door bell.
>
> Streak is mostly cat, but the one we had before him minded better than
> most people's kids, understood about 20 words. You could tell him to
> go in the house and which room and he'd do it. He loved to ride in
> cars. He and the same neighbor's dog would rough house
> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/smokydog.htm
That dog is tethered! Takes all the fun out of of it!

[George Patterson]

Roger wrote:

> It was his girlfriends cat.

ex-girlfriend.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

[George Patterson]

Roger wrote:

> If he want's out he'll stand on
> his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
> knob.

I had a big black tom many years ago who could turn the knob. He never figured
out how to pull a door open that way, but he could push one open after the latch
went. He topped out at 17.5 pounds and none of it was fat.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

[Roger]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:41:52 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>
>> It was his girlfriends cat.
>
>ex-girlfriend.
>


She was his girlfriend at the time, but soon to be ex when she found
her cat was gone. <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>George Patterson
> If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
> radio.

[Roger]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:36:42 -0500, Margy > wrote:

<snip>
>the only one who rang the back door bell.
>>
>> Streak is mostly cat, but the one we had before him minded better than
>> most people's kids, understood about 20 words. You could tell him to
>> go in the house and which room and he'd do it. He loved to ride in
>> cars. He and the same neighbor's dog would rough house
>> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/smokydog.htm

>That dog is tethered! Takes all the fun out of of it!

True, but you'll note that both of them get bowled over at times.

Actually the dog is on a leash to keep it from running away. It was
high strung and would just take off if let go. It got out a couple of
time. The cat minded a lot better than the dog. <:-))

That cat is the one that got shot. We came home to find him on the
back door step. He wasn't moving real good when we opened the door and
then I noticed the black spot just behind the shoulders. It had gone
through low enough to miss his spine and high enough it didn't hit
anything vital. Before that he was anyone's friend. After that he was
afraid of kids and would hide just hearing their voices.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:45:48 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>
>> If he want's out he'll stand on
>> his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
>> knob.
>
>I had a big black tom many years ago who could turn the knob. He never figured
>out how to pull a door open that way, but he could push one open after the latch
>went. He topped out at 17.5 pounds and none of it was fat.

Sounds a bit like a bigger version of Streak.
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/cat_files/Lunch.htm

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>George Patterson
> If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
> radio.

[[email protected]]

On 14-Nov-2005, Margy > wrote:

> Fred comes when called even if she knows it's for her medicine. She's
> not happy about it, but she comes. Once in a while it's tuna instead.

Why not have it be tuna all the time? When our geriatric 17-year-old cat
developed hyperthyroidism, we had to give her a pill twice a day. After
many struggles and having the cat end up spitting the pill back out half the
time, someone I know suggested a solution that worked like a charm. We
bought cheap cans of tuna, the ones that have a lot of broth and mushy fish,
and each time it was "pill time" we crushed the pill in a little of the
broth, then stirred in a little of the fish. The cat LOVED taking her
medicine! We extended the broth for a few days, up to almost a week, by
adding a little tap water each day. After adding water each day, eventually
the tuna didn't taste as good, and our cat didn't take to it as well. At
that point our dog got a treat, and we opened another can of tuna. Plastic
pet food lids fit the tuna cans perfectly, by the way.You'll have to
experiment and see how little broth and fish you can get away with before
your cat won't eat it up. You may also have to try two or three brands of
tuna to find the one your cat adores. Our cat loved one brand, but when I
went to a different store once and they didn't have it, I bought their cheap
brand. Our cat refused it.
Scott Wilson

[Dan Luke]

>
> Sounds a bit like a bigger version of Streak.
> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/cat_files/Lunch.htm

Haw! That's a beauty.

Cats crack me up.

[Don Hammer]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:14:39 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:

>Has any got any experience with taking a cat in an airplane. Do they freak
>out from the loud noise. Do they have problems with the change in altitude?
>

Years ago a friend and I decided to give a ride in a 172 to Ole Tom
from the local FBO. Gentle old sole you could kick and he'd just roll
over. Threw him in the back seat and he promply went to sleep -- at
least for a while. At 5000 feet over Ohio he woke up and looked
outside. All of a sudden he went into overdrive and was tearing
aroung the cabin in vertical and horizontal circles. Skin and
headliner were being shreaded big time. Only thing I could do was
open the side window. Poof - - - I always wondered if he landed on
his feet.

Long and the short of it. If you fly with an uncaged cat, leave the
window open.

[Margy]

George Patterson wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>
>> If he want's out he'll stand on
>> his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
>> knob.
>
>
> I had a big black tom many years ago who could turn the knob. He never
> figured out how to pull a door open that way, but he could push one open
> after the latch went. He topped out at 17.5 pounds and none of it was fat.
>
> George Patterson
> If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
> radio.
I had a GREAT cat when I was in college. My apartment mate kept
accusing me of eating her baloney, which wasn't exactly my favorite
food. We couldn't figure it out, until one day when she caught Tyler in
the act. He would hook his claw in the rubber seal of the door and pull
it open. Then, he would ever so carefully flip the top open just enough
to slip a paw in and hook ONE slice of baloney with his claw. He would
close the door and no one was the wiser. She said if she hadn't seen it
with her own two eyes she would never have believed it.

Margy

[Margy]

wrote:
> On 14-Nov-2005, Margy > wrote:
>
>
>>Fred comes when called even if she knows it's for her medicine. She's
>>not happy about it, but she comes. Once in a while it's tuna instead.
>
>
> Why not have it be tuna all the time? When our geriatric 17-year-old cat
> developed hyperthyroidism, we had to give her a pill twice a day. After
> many struggles and having the cat end up spitting the pill back out half the
> time, someone I know suggested a solution that worked like a charm. We
> bought cheap cans of tuna, the ones that have a lot of broth and mushy fish,
> and each time it was "pill time" we crushed the pill in a little of the
> broth, then stirred in a little of the fish. The cat LOVED taking her
> medicine! We extended the broth for a few days, up to almost a week, by
> adding a little tap water each day. After adding water each day, eventually
> the tuna didn't taste as good, and our cat didn't take to it as well. At
> that point our dog got a treat, and we opened another can of tuna. Plastic
> pet food lids fit the tuna cans perfectly, by the way.You'll have to
> experiment and see how little broth and fish you can get away with before
> your cat won't eat it up. You may also have to try two or three brands of
> tuna to find the one your cat adores. Our cat loved one brand, but when I
> went to a different store once and they didn't have it, I bought their cheap
> brand. Our cat refused it.
> Scott Wilson
It's a liquid in a syringe and it's only for a week! I had a dog who
would eat anything if you wrapped it in peanut butter.

Margy

[Darrel Toepfer]

Dan Luke wrote:

> Cats crack me up.

http://www.grab.com/games/view.php?game=395

Me2...

[George Patterson]

Margy wrote:

> Fred comes when called even if she knows it's for her medicine.

Vixen will eat her meds (prednisone) if they're sprinkled on top of canned cat food.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

[George Patterson]

Roger wrote:

> Sounds a bit like a bigger version of Streak.

Sort of. Elemanzer was solid black and short haired and lean like your cat. By
the time he hit full weight, he had that sagging section just in front of the
back legs that most toms get. Some superstitious ******* ran him down. Had to
peel rubber and hit the wrong side of the road to get him, but she succeeded.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

[Jay Masino]

wrote:
> bought cheap cans of tuna, the ones that have a lot of broth and mushy fish,
> and each time it was "pill time" we crushed the pill in a little of the
> broth, then stirred in a little of the fish. The cat LOVED taking her
> medicine! We extended the broth for a few days, up to almost a week, by
> adding a little tap water each day. After adding water each day, eventually
> the tuna didn't taste as good, and our cat didn't take to it as well. At
> that point our dog got a treat, and we opened another can of tuna. Plastic
> pet food lids fit the tuna cans perfectly, by the way.You'll have to
> experiment and see how little broth and fish you can get away with before
> your cat won't eat it up. You may also have to try two or three brands of
> tuna to find the one your cat adores. Our cat loved one brand, but when I
> went to a different store once and they didn't have it, I bought their cheap
> brand. Our cat refused it.

One of my cats has to take a pill daily for a heart problem. I use to use
tuna, but after a few years he actually got tired of tuna. I was able to
find a conventional wet cat food that he really likes, and mix the
crushed pill in that.

--- Jay




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[Jay Masino]

Don Hammer > wrote:
> outside. All of a sudden he went into overdrive and was tearing
> aroung the cabin in vertical and horizontal circles. Skin and
> headliner were being shreaded big time. Only thing I could do was
> open the side window. Poof - - - I always wondered if he landed on
> his feet.


That wasn't the "only thing" you could do. Good thing you weren't based
at my airport, or else I would have beaten you to death with a baseball
bat, once you had landed.

--- Jay
(who values the lives of cats more than most people's)



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[Javier Henderson]

Jay Masino wrote:
> Don Hammer > wrote:
>> outside. All of a sudden he went into overdrive and was tearing
>> aroung the cabin in vertical and horizontal circles. Skin and
>> headliner were being shreaded big time. Only thing I could do was
>> open the side window. Poof - - - I always wondered if he landed on
>> his feet.
>
>
> That wasn't the "only thing" you could do. Good thing you weren't based
> at my airport, or else I would have beaten you to death with a baseball
> bat, once you had landed.

What would you have done in the same situation?

-jav

[Jay Masino]

Javier Henderson > wrote:
> What would you have done in the same situation?

I wouldn't be so stupid as to "experiment" with taking a cat in my plane,
but I would have pushed it away or let it claw me (and take it like a
man), while I landed the plane.

--- Jay



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[Javier Henderson]

Jay Masino wrote:
> Javier Henderson > wrote:
>> What would you have done in the same situation?
>
> I wouldn't be so stupid as to "experiment" with taking a cat in my plane,
> but I would have pushed it away or let it claw me (and take it like a
> man), while I landed the plane.

OK, well, if the cat was really mad, I could see how landing would've
been really difficult or maybe even impossible.

Anyway... I haven't felt compelled to take my Siamese in my plane, but
she does like car rides. Maybe she'd like a plane ride. I wouldn't know
though, she refuses to tell me.

-jav

[Roger]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:04:08 -0500, Javier Henderson
> wrote:

>Jay Masino wrote:
>> Javier Henderson > wrote:
>>> What would you have done in the same situation?
>>
>> I wouldn't be so stupid as to "experiment" with taking a cat in my plane,
>> but I would have pushed it away or let it claw me (and take it like a
>> man), while I landed the plane.

Depending on the cat, you'd probably end up in the emergency room.
>
>OK, well, if the cat was really mad, I could see how landing would've
>been really difficult or maybe even impossible.

I'd experiment in a car, but not an airplane.

People underestimate just how dangerous a cat can be.

One local store had a cat with kittens. She was actually just a little
thing that probably weighed well less than 10#. One guy who hung
around a lot didn't like cats and picked on her a lot. One day he
made the mistake of grabbing one of the kittens which let out a howl.
That little, friendly kitty went right up that guy's left leg digging
in all the way. She left some almost unbelievable cuts going up his
leg and lots of them. They looked like knife cuts several inches long
and they were deep. Just missed the artery in the inside. I'd never
have expected the cuts to be long like that. Deep, yes, but not long.
They had to take him to the emergency room. I think it was over 60
stitches to fix him up. Even a small cat that has gone "over the
edge" would be extremely dangerous in an airplane. You need to wrap
your arms around your head and protect your eyes.

Oh. They managed to stop her before she got high enough to do some
"hereditary" damage, but she only had a few more inches to go.

(What happened to you? Cat bit and clawed me! Say what? Never mind, I
don't want to know)

You're better off to have one get motion sick. A cat barfing and
crapping all over the inside of the airplane is much preferable to
losing your eyes.

*IF* you are lucky enough to catch them by the hide on the back of the
neck they'll curl up and just about freeze, but that'd take a lot of
luck and be like trying to grab a splinter out of a buzz saw without
getting caught.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>Anyway... I haven't felt compelled to take my Siamese in my plane, but
>she does like car rides. Maybe she'd like a plane ride. I wouldn't know
>though, she refuses to tell me.
>
>-jav

[Jay Masino]

Roger > wrote:
>>Jay Masino wrote:
>>> Javier Henderson > wrote:
>>>> What would you have done in the same situation?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be so stupid as to "experiment" with taking a cat in my plane,
>>> but I would have pushed it away or let it claw me (and take it like a
>>> man), while I landed the plane.

> Depending on the cat, you'd probably end up in the emergency room.

That would be fine. Remember, this poor cat didn't *ask* to be taken for
an airplane ride.

--- Jay




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[Jay Honeck]

>> Depending on the cat, you'd probably end up in the emergency room.
>
> That would be fine. Remember, this poor cat didn't *ask* to be taken for
> an airplane ride.

So, are you saying that the cat was justified in its actions?
--
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> So, are you saying that the cat was justified in its actions?

The cat was scared to death, and was acting like a cat that was scared to
death. It didn't deserve to be killed.



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[Darrel Toepfer]

Jay Masino wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> So, are you saying that the cat was justified in its actions?
>
> The cat was scared to death, and was acting like a cat that was scared to
> death. It didn't deserve to be killed.

And yet he ended up being "scared to death" no doubt...

[Eduardo K.]

In article >,
Roger > wrote:
>
>If he want's out he'll stand on
>his hind feet and try to open the door, but can't mange to turn the
>knob. Reaching it is no problem as he can even reach the dead bolt.
>He likes to share and brings me mouse parts every once in a while, but
>I wish he'd quite putting them on my magazines before I've finished
>reading them.
>

Prudencia knows ohw to open the doors by pushing them or by pulling them. Once
managed to open a closed door that had a lever instead of a knob, but it
was mostly luck...


--
Eduardo K. | Darwin pone las reglas.
http://www.carfun.cl | Murphy, la oportunidad.
http://e.nn.cl |
| Yo.

[Eduardo K.]

In article >, > wrote:
>
>You may also have to try two or three brands of
>tuna to find the one your cat adores. Our cat loved one brand, but when I
>went to a different store once and they didn't have it, I bought their cheap
>brand. Our cat refused it.

I can tell if I got quality Ham by testing the delay between opening the
wrap and when Insomnio (my other cat) gets to the kitchen.



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http://www.carfun.cl | Murphy, la oportunidad.
http://e.nn.cl |
| Yo.

[Eduardo K.]

In article >,
Dan Luke > wrote:
>>
>> Sounds a bit like a bigger version of Streak.
>> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/cat_files/Lunch.htm
>
>Haw! That's a beauty.
>
>Cats crack me up.
>

Prudencia ends in about half of my pictures... shes always around:

http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/Huevo/prudequipaje.jpg

http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/HuevoII/RingJob/mP9190030.JPG

and of course, Insomnio:

http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Gatos/Todos/2004/07/P1010014.JPG


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[Eduardo K.]

In article >,
Roger > wrote:
>
>*IF* you are lucky enough to catch them by the hide on the back of the
>neck they'll curl up and just about freeze, but that'd take a lot of
>luck and be like trying to grab a splinter out of a buzz saw without
>getting caught.
>

About two years ago, a local stray learned how to open the cat door and eat
my cats food. My wife tried to pick him up and cage him and got a nasty cut
that ended up in the ER with stitches and shots... I managed to get him by the
hide, got him inside a cat box and 'relocated' him a couple of miles into
the city.


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| Yo.

[Jay Masino]

Eduardo K. > wrote:
> Prudencia ends in about half of my pictures... shes always around:
> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/Huevo/prudequipaje.jpg
> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/HuevoII/RingJob/mP9190030.JPG
> and of course, Insomnio:
> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Gatos/Todos/2004/07/P1010014.JPG

Awe. They're beautiful (and well fed!) :)

--- Jay




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[Eduardo K.]

In article >,
Jay Masino > wrote:
>Eduardo K. > wrote:
>> Prudencia ends in about half of my pictures... shes always around:
>> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/Huevo/prudequipaje.jpg
>> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Autos/HuevoII/RingJob/mP9190030.JPG
>> and of course, Insomnio:
>> http://www.nn.cl/Fotos/Gatos/Todos/2004/07/P1010014.JPG
>
>Awe. They're beautiful (and well fed!) :)
>

Mr. Insomnio is always on the fat side. I feed him measured cups of
low calorie catfood to keep him thin and stil gets fat. He was thin
before neuturing though.

I am moving back to the city to an apartment next week so he'll get fatter.


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[Jay Honeck]

>> So, are you saying that the cat was justified in its actions?
>
> The cat was scared to death, and was acting like a cat that was scared to
> death. It didn't deserve to be killed.

True enough. But I'm not exactly sure what else the pilot in question could
do in that situation.

You can't safely land a plane with a cat shredding your skin like a
scratching post.
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: The cat was scared to death, and was acting like a cat that was scared to
: death. It didn't deserve to be killed.

In case it's any consolation, a cat getting chucked out a window of a flying
aircraft is not necessarily dead:

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211.web.stuff/Kuhns/terminal_velocity.htm
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_190.html
http://www.cat-olholics.com/cats-land-on-their-feet.html

And yes... I am a cat person... :)

-Cory

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[john smith]

> > You can't safely land a plane with a cat shredding your skin like a
> > scratching post.

> Yes you can. You just have to grit your teeth and bare it.

And you have done this, how many times???

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You just have to grit your teeth and bare it.

Bare what?

BTW - I did take a cat on an airplane trip once (in a carrier) Just a
weekend jaunt of about three hours each way. The cat howled most of the
way - but fortunately we couldn't hear it over the noise of the
airplane (all wearing headphones).

David Johnson

[Tri-Pacer]

> In case it's any consolation, a cat getting chucked out a window of a
> flying
> aircraft is not necessarily dead:
>
> http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211.web.stuff/Kuhns/terminal_velocity.htm
> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_190.html
> http://www.cat-olholics.com/cats-land-on-their-feet.html
>
>
In order to test this, I suggest filling the bomb bay of one of the
exhibition B-17s with say 500 cats. Drop them all over a field with
observers and log how many escaped unscathed, how many looked like gooey
blobs and how many survived un-injured.

This way meaningful data could be obtained.

The test might have to be repeated any of the cats missed the target field.

I would be happy to contribute the cats in my neighbor hood that crap under
my deck, in my flower beds, scratch my car by climbing on it, howl under my
bed room window, invade my motorhome as soon as I leave a window open, etc.

Cheers:

Paul

[N93332]

"Tri-Pacer" > wrote in message
. ..
>> In case it's any consolation, a cat getting chucked out a window of a
>> flying
>> aircraft is not necessarily dead:
>>
>> http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211.web.stuff/Kuhns/terminal_velocity.htm
>> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_190.html
>> http://www.cat-olholics.com/cats-land-on-their-feet.html
>>
>>
> In order to test this, I suggest filling the bomb bay of one of the
> exhibition B-17s with say 500 cats. Drop them all over a field with
> observers and log how many escaped unscathed, how many looked like gooey
> blobs and how many survived un-injured.
>
> This way meaningful data could be obtained.
>
> The test might have to be repeated any of the cats missed the target
> field.
>
> I would be happy to contribute the cats in my neighbor hood that crap
> under my deck, in my flower beds, scratch my car by climbing on it, howl
> under my bed room window, invade my motorhome as soon as I leave a window
> open, etc.

You're still stuck with the problem of cats running around the plane. The
B-17's I've seen don't usually have doors or separations between the bomb
bay area and the rest of the plane. There is a cat walk through the bomb
bay... Can 500 cats fit in a bomb bay area?

Seriously, I don't recommend dropping animals for testing. As for carrying
cats in a plane, I would only do it with cat carrier.

-Greg B.