Garmin 430/530 WAAS upgrade reminder Nov 15

[Paul kgyy]

Garmin has announced that the upgrade cost for the WAAS enhancement to
the G430/530 series is $1500 IF you sign up for the upgrade by November
15. Without a signup, the upgrade cost is $2000. When the upgrade is
available, you have the option to reject it.

I know that there is considerable skepticism about whether this will
ever be delivered, but the best way to make sure it isn't is if nobody
signs up for it. So if you do have one of these units, please provide
your serial number to your installer and get your name on the list.

There is no upfront cost aside from the time for the phone call.

[Jon Kraus]

I'm in!! :-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
443H @ TYQ

Paul kgyy wrote:
> Garmin has announced that the upgrade cost for the WAAS enhancement to
> the G430/530 series is $1500 IF you sign up for the upgrade by November
> 15. Without a signup, the upgrade cost is $2000. When the upgrade is
> available, you have the option to reject it.
>
> I know that there is considerable skepticism about whether this will
> ever be delivered, but the best way to make sure it isn't is if nobody
> signs up for it. So if you do have one of these units, please provide
> your serial number to your installer and get your name on the list.
>
> There is no upfront cost aside from the time for the phone call.
>

[Scott Moore]

Jon Kraus wrote On 11/10/05 14:47,:
> I'm in!! :-)
>
> Jon Kraus
> '79 Mooney 201
> 443H @ TYQ
>
> Paul kgyy wrote:
>
>>Garmin has announced that the upgrade cost for the WAAS enhancement to
>>the G430/530 series is $1500 IF you sign up for the upgrade by November
>>15. Without a signup, the upgrade cost is $2000. When the upgrade is
>>available, you have the option to reject it.
>>
>>I know that there is considerable skepticism about whether this will
>>ever be delivered, but the best way to make sure it isn't is if nobody
>>signs up for it. So if you do have one of these units, please provide
>>your serial number to your installer and get your name on the list.
>>
>>There is no upfront cost aside from the time for the phone call.
>>

My airplane is on the list. Too bad it can't fly itself.

[Daren & Wendy]

"Paul kgyy" > wrote in message
oups.com...

>
> I know that there is considerable skepticism about whether this will
> ever be delivered, but the best way to make sure it isn't is if nobody
> signs up for it. So if you do have one of these units, please provide
> your serial number to your installer and get your name on the list.
>
> There is no upfront cost aside from the time for the phone call.
>

I talked to the lady at Garmin yesterday as my dealer was registering me for
update. She said she's been swamped with last minute registers so I think
Garmin has got the picture that we want it done. I'm not holding my breath
on 2006 though.

[Doug]

What functionality do you get after the upgrade that you don't have now?

[Ron Lee]

I would like to know the full extent of the upgrade. Will the 430 now
have airways?

Ron Lee

[Ron Lee]

>What functionality do you get after the upgrade that you don't have now?


One is GPS/WAAS provided vertical guidance.

Ron Lee

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

At AOPA in Tampa, the Garmin rep said "No airways on 430/530 series GPS"

Then again they said WAAS in late 2003, early '04

I'm also waiting on terrain.

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
>I would like to know the full extent of the upgrade. Will the 430 now
> have airways?
>
> Ron Lee
>

[Andrew Gideon]

Victor J. Osborne, Jr. wrote:

> At AOPA in Tampa, the Garmin rep said "No airways on 430/530 series GPS"

I've been told this as well. When I ask "why", I get silly answers like
"it's too complex a way to enter flight plans".

That always sounded silly to me...until I spoke to a VFR-only pilot about
it. So perhaps either (1) Garmin sells mostly to VFR pilots or (2) Garmin
tests their software mostly with VFR pilots.

Or perhaps (3) it was just a silly excuse. I've heard other silly things
that speak to some disconnect with the company. For example, technical
support once told me that there'd be no CPU speedup in the WAAS upgrade,
and that it would be done later. That same day, someone in engineering
told me "of course the CPU will be faster; that's required for
certification!"

They're all very nice and helpful. Amazing as I find it (I deal mostly with
tech firms {8^), Garmin has some friendly and communicative people working
for them. I just wish they'd get the story straight <laugh>.

> Then again they said WAAS in late 2003, early '04
>
> I'm also waiting on terrain.

Hey, isn't that out already (as of late last year, if I recall correctly)?
Or was that only for the 530?

- Andrew

[Viperdoc]

Terrain is out now, on a limited basis. I'll believe WAAS when Garmin gets
their act together, if ever.

[Peter R.]

Doug > wrote:

> What functionality do you get after the upgrade that you don't have now?

The ability to fly glideslope-like approaches with the GPS into airports
that never could afford an ILS.

--
Peter
























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[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

It's the 'later this year' that I've been hearing for 3 yrs. I also don't
want the box to go in for terrain (which I have on an EFB) and then go back
for WAAS. I'll do it once. (and for all)

--

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.
"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> Victor J. Osborne, Jr. wrote:
>
>> At AOPA in Tampa, the Garmin rep said "No airways on 430/530 series GPS"
>
> I've been told this as well. When I ask "why", I get silly answers like
> "it's too complex a way to enter flight plans".
>
> That always sounded silly to me...until I spoke to a VFR-only pilot about
> it. So perhaps either (1) Garmin sells mostly to VFR pilots or (2) Garmin
> tests their software mostly with VFR pilots.
>
> Or perhaps (3) it was just a silly excuse. I've heard other silly things
> that speak to some disconnect with the company. For example, technical
> support once told me that there'd be no CPU speedup in the WAAS upgrade,
> and that it would be done later. That same day, someone in engineering
> told me "of course the CPU will be faster; that's required for
> certification!"
>
> They're all very nice and helpful. Amazing as I find it (I deal mostly
> with
> tech firms {8^), Garmin has some friendly and communicative people working
> for them. I just wish they'd get the story straight <laugh>.
>
>> Then again they said WAAS in late 2003, early '04
>>
>> I'm also waiting on terrain.
>
> Hey, isn't that out already (as of late last year, if I recall correctly)?
> Or was that only for the 530?
>
> - Andrew
>

[Rick Beebe]

>>I'm also waiting on terrain.
>
> Hey, isn't that out already (as of late last year, if I recall correctly)?
> Or was that only for the 530?

Certified terrain (TAWS) is only available on the 530 and it's
expensive. Terrain "advisories" are available now for the 430 and 530.
It's coming standard on all new units (as of beginning of September). If
you bought a unit after June 1 the upgrade is free otherwise it's $500.
In either case you'll also need to pay for about an hour of shop time to
get it installed (You could send it back to Garmin but it won't be
cheaper and it'll take longer). You may need a bit more shop time if
your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.

--Rick

[Scott Moore]

Rick Beebe wrote On 11/18/05 13:37,:
>>>I'm also waiting on terrain.
>>
>>Hey, isn't that out already (as of late last year, if I recall correctly)?
>>Or was that only for the 530?
>
>
> Certified terrain (TAWS) is only available on the 530 and it's
> expensive. Terrain "advisories" are available now for the 430 and 530.
> It's coming standard on all new units (as of beginning of September). If
> you bought a unit after June 1 the upgrade is free otherwise it's $500.
> In either case you'll also need to pay for about an hour of shop time to
> get it installed (You could send it back to Garmin but it won't be
> cheaper and it'll take longer). You may need a bit more shop time if
> your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.
>
> --Rick

Although certainly integration of TWAS into the 430/530 would be nice, the
Garmin upgrade is meant for turboprops that require it under FAA rules.
There is no advantage over having it in an add on unit, such as the
new Garmin portables. If you get a TWAS alert I doubt you are going to be
worried about if it is a TSO'ed, official warning while you pull up...

[Andrew Gideon]

Rick Beebe wrote:

> You may need a bit more shop time if
> your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.

I don't understand this (although I believe I've seen it mentioned before).
Why would the manual need updating in some cases but not others?

- Andrew

[Dave Butler]

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> Rick Beebe wrote:
>
>
>>You may need a bit more shop time if
>>your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.
>
>
> I don't understand this (although I believe I've seen it mentioned before).
> Why would the manual need updating in some cases but not others?

If we're talking about an upgrade from TSO C129 to TSO C146, I don't see how the
SPOH could avoid being updated. It's the SPOH that has the operating
limitations, and they will surely change.

Dave

[Rick Beebe]

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> Rick Beebe wrote:
>
>
>>You may need a bit more shop time if
>>your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.
>
>
> I don't understand this (although I believe I've seen it mentioned before).
> Why would the manual need updating in some cases but not others?

As Garmin got close to releasing the terrain advisory feature they
started adding it into the manual. So if your manual doesn't have it, it
needs to be redone. My manual doesn't have it (and my 430 is getting
updated) and I haven't seen what the actual changes are yet. Probably a
silly paragraph that just says that terrain advisories are not to be
used for actual navigation.

--Rick

[Scott Moore]

Rick Beebe wrote On 11/21/05 13:59,:
> Andrew Gideon wrote:
>
>>Rick Beebe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>You may need a bit more shop time if
>>>your flight manual supplement needs to be updated.
>>
>>
>>I don't understand this (although I believe I've seen it mentioned before).
>>Why would the manual need updating in some cases but not others?
>
>
> As Garmin got close to releasing the terrain advisory feature they
> started adding it into the manual. So if your manual doesn't have it, it
> needs to be redone. My manual doesn't have it (and my 430 is getting
> updated) and I haven't seen what the actual changes are yet. Probably a
> silly paragraph that just says that terrain advisories are not to be
> used for actual navigation.
>
> --Rick

You must not rely on a terrain alert alone for navigation. If the terrian
collision alert is heard, this must be verified by one of the following:

1. Sighting of the ground approching at rapid velocity.

2. Tree branches hitting the airplane.

3. Screams of ground based person(s).

4. Wet sensation in undergarmets.

5. White light at end of long corridor.

[Rick Beebe]

Scott Moore wrote:
> You must not rely on a terrain alert alone for navigation. If the terrian
> collision alert is heard, this must be verified by one of the following:
>
> 1. Sighting of the ground approching at rapid velocity.
>
> 2. Tree branches hitting the airplane.
>
> 3. Screams of ground based person(s).
>
> 4. Wet sensation in undergarmets.
>
> 5. White light at end of long corridor.

Any less than three of these indicators could mean the Garmin has
malfunctioned and the terrain alert should be disabled until the unit
can be verified by authorized service personnel.

--Rick