TSA's mistaken move in easing security delays for frequent fliers

[Matt Barrow]

http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/11/tsas_mistaken_m.html

[Robert M. Gary]

It sounds like a great idea. I would sign up for it today but its not
offered at my local airport. I can't see anything wrong with allowing
those that submit to a complete background check to go through "pre
9/11" security (metal detector etc), vs. what we go through today. I've
often spent more than 45 minutes waiting in line at airports waiting
for all this extra security.

-Robert

[Matt Barrow]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> It sounds like a great idea. I would sign up for it today but its not
> offered at my local airport. I can't see anything wrong with allowing
> those that submit to a complete background check to go through "pre
> 9/11" security (metal detector etc), vs. what we go through today. I've
> often spent more than 45 minutes waiting in line at airports waiting
> for all this extra security.
>
Remember that background checks only determine part of a subjects history.
IIRC, other than expired visas, the 9/11 hijackers would have passed
background checks.

[Ron Lee]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>>
>Remember that background checks only determine part of a subjects history.
>IIRC, other than expired visas, the 9/11 hijackers would have passed
>background checks.

So only provide it to US Born Americans.

Ron Lee

[Matt Barrow]

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>>>
>>Remember that background checks only determine part of a subjects history.
>>IIRC, other than expired visas, the 9/11 hijackers would have passed
>>background checks.
>
> So only provide it to US Born Americans.
>

The London bombers were born in England.

[Capt. Geoffry Thorpe]

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>>>
>>Remember that background checks only determine part of a subjects history.
>>IIRC, other than expired visas, the 9/11 hijackers would have passed
>>background checks.
>
> So only provide it to US Born Americans.
>
> Ron Lee

You mean like Tim McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Ted Kaczynski, Eric Rudolph...

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[Ron Lee]

If you want a perfect system then everyone should strip nekkid to
include invasive body cavity searches, a scan that sees any bad things
in their bodies, and complete searching of all luggage, contents etc.
That will grind the US air transport system to a near halt.

Ron Lee

[Jim Logajan]

"Capt. Geoffry Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote:
> "Ron Lee" > wrote in message:
>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>>> Remember that background checks only determine part of a subjects
>>> history. IIRC, other than expired visas, the 9/11 hijackers would
>>> have passed background checks.
>>
>> So only provide it to US Born Americans.
>
> You mean like Tim McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Ted Kaczynski, Eric
> Rudolph...

None of them suicidal, I believe. They would attempt to get a bomb on board
other than by walking on with it or in any way that might give themselves
away. The point being that I think background checks in conjunction with
other security protocols re passengers and baggages would be adequate to
deter threats from that class of bombers.

[Andrew Gideon]

Ron Lee wrote:

> That will grind the US air transport system to a near halt.

Sure, but it would also help generate more early diagnoses of various
cancers and such.

- Andrew

[Sylvain]

Ron Lee wrote:
> So only provide it to US Born Americans.

you mean good ol' US Born and trustworthy Americans such
as Timothy McVeigh ?

--Sylvain

[George Patterson]

Andrew Gideon wrote:

> Sure, but it would also help generate more early diagnoses of various
> cancers and such.

And cause them in frequent flyers. At least, frequent use of the scans with
which I'm familiar (X-rays & such) are not a good idea.

George Patterson
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[Skywise]

George Patterson > wrote in
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> Andrew Gideon wrote:
>
>> Sure, but it would also help generate more early diagnoses of various
>> cancers and such.
>
> And cause them in frequent flyers. At least, frequent use of the scans
> with which I'm familiar (X-rays & such) are not a good idea.

I wonder what the reaction would be at security if you told them
you can't be x-rayed because you've already exceeded your maximum
annual dosage of radiation per gov't standards?

I vote for: "huh?"

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[George Patterson]

Skywise wrote:

> I wonder what the reaction would be at security if you told them
> you can't be x-rayed because you've already exceeded your maximum
> annual dosage of radiation per gov't standards?

I vote for "Then you can't fly."

Consider also the situation if you need an X-ray for medical reasons and they
can't do it because you maxed out at the airports.

George Patterson
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[Skywise]

George Patterson > wrote in
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> Skywise wrote:
>
>> I wonder what the reaction would be at security if you told them
>> you can't be x-rayed because you've already exceeded your maximum
>> annual dosage of radiation per gov't standards?
>
> I vote for "Then you can't fly."
>
> Consider also the situation if you need an X-ray for medical reasons and
> they can't do it because you maxed out at the airports.

Or how about "I've exceeded my maximum permissible exposure limits
BECAUSE of the airport scans!"

I know...it'd take a LOT of scans.

Brian
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[George Patterson]

Skywise wrote:

> I know...it'd take a LOT of scans.

There are still lots of people in this area who take the DC shuttle every day or
so. I also know one person who commutes to Birmingham from Newark every week.

George Patterson
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[.Blueskies.]

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