Slant R?

[Marco Leon]

Given the recent changes in the regs, do us folks with certified Garmin
430's and 530's file slant R now? I heard there's a write-up by AOPA. Can
someone point me to that article please?

Thanks,

Marco Leon

[Kelly]

> Given the recent changes in the regs, do us folks with certified Garmin
> 430's and 530's file slant R now? I heard there's a write-up by AOPA. Can
> someone point me to that article please?

This question was asked in the GPS/WAAS session at AOPA. The technical rep
guy from AOPA said you still file /G and several in crowd agreed.

[Marco Leon]

Thanks, but what's throwing me off is the official description says it's for
"enroute and terminal" and does not mention "approaches." Can anyone out
there verify that they were assigned a GPS and/or RNAV approach *without*
requesting one when filing with a simple slant G? I honestly can't remember
if I ever was.

Marco Leon

"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
>> Given the recent changes in the regs, do us folks with certified Garmin
>> 430's and 530's file slant R now? I heard there's a write-up by AOPA. Can
>> someone point me to that article please?
>
> This question was asked in the GPS/WAAS session at AOPA. The technical
> rep
> guy from AOPA said you still file /G and several in crowd agreed.
>
>
>



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[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Marco Leon" <mleon(at)optonline.net> wrote in message
...
>
> Thanks, but what's throwing me off is the official description says it's
> for "enroute and terminal" and does not mention "approaches."

Well, if your GPS is certified for enroute, terminal, and approaches, does
it not have "enroute and terminal" certification? /G was formerly used for
GPS with en route, terminal, and approach capability but the approach
distinction was dropped a few years
ago.

[Marco Leon]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Marco Leon" <mleon(at)optonline.net> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Thanks, but what's throwing me off is the official description says it's
> > for "enroute and terminal" and does not mention "approaches."
>
> Well, if your GPS is certified for enroute, terminal, and approaches, does
> it not have "enroute and terminal" certification? /G was formerly used
for
> GPS with en route, terminal, and approach capability but the approach
> distinction was dropped a few years
> ago.

Yes, I know but I wasn't sure if I was not getting assigned GPS approaches
[without requesting them] by filing /G. Do you recall if the FAA
disseminated *why* they dropped the "approach" distinction?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>
> Yes, I know but I wasn't sure if I was not getting assigned GPS approaches
> [without requesting them] by filing /G. Do you recall if the FAA
> disseminated *why* they dropped the "approach" distinction?
>

I don't recall any there being any explanation.

[Newps]

Marco Leon wrote:

>
> Yes, I know but I wasn't sure if I was not getting assigned GPS approaches
> [without requesting them] by filing /G. Do you recall if the FAA
> disseminated *why* they dropped the "approach" distinction?

First off you make it sound as if you will get a GPS approach forced on
you with no recourse. If the controller offers a GPS approach and you
are unable then say so. The FAA dropped the approach distinction
because there are probably as many airplanes that can legally go GPS
direct without approach capability as there are with approach
capability. It was simply an oversight on their part.

[Marco Leon]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
> Marco Leon wrote:
> > Yes, I know but I wasn't sure if I was not getting assigned GPS
approaches
> > [without requesting them] by filing /G. Do you recall if the FAA
> > disseminated *why* they dropped the "approach" distinction?
>
> First off you make it sound as if you will get a GPS approach forced on
> you with no recourse. If the controller offers a GPS approach and you
> are unable then say so. The FAA dropped the approach distinction
> because there are probably as many airplanes that can legally go GPS
> direct without approach capability as there are with approach
> capability. It was simply an oversight on their part.

I actually would prefer [pure] GPS approaches to other non-precision
approaches. Thanks by the way--you answered my question in the piloting
group :)

Marco Leon

[Gerald Sylvester]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Given the recent changes in the regs, do us folks with certified Garmin
> 430's and 530's file slant R now? I heard there's a write-up by AOPA. Can
> someone point me to that article please?

Tonight I filed and said /G for a Garmin 430 equipped a/c. The
FSS briefer said under new regulations it is a /I. I mentioned
the /R and he said that is only for heavies flying international
(I didn't look it up, I presume RNP x.x and dual FMS or some such).
During the flight one controller asked if I was GPS equipped too.
Confusing...

Gerald

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:36:09 GMT, Gerald Sylvester
> wrote:

>Marco Leon wrote:
>> Given the recent changes in the regs, do us folks with certified Garmin
>> 430's and 530's file slant R now? I heard there's a write-up by AOPA. Can
>> someone point me to that article please?
>
>Tonight I filed and said /G for a Garmin 430 equipped a/c. The
>FSS briefer said under new regulations it is a /I. I mentioned
>the /R and he said that is only for heavies flying international
>(I didn't look it up, I presume RNP x.x and dual FMS or some such).
>During the flight one controller asked if I was GPS equipped too.
>Confusing...
>
>Gerald

That does not seem to be in accord with

SUFFIX TABLE FOR FAA FLIGHT PLANS:
EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

http://www.faa.gov/NTAP/NTAP05SEP29/gen05003.htm

/I: LORAN, VOR/DME, or INS, transponder with Mode C

/G: Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or WAAS,
with enroute and terminal capability.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Gerald Sylvester]

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:36:09 GMT, Gerald Sylvester
> > wrote:
> /I: LORAN, VOR/DME, or INS, transponder with Mode C
> /G: Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or WAAS,
> with enroute and terminal capability.

ok, I guess the guy was wrong. I couldn't check it since
I was filing by phone so I took the guys word for it. I
guess I'm still a /G.

thanks.

Gerald