Instrument Rated

[David Megginson]

I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
lot of fun.

Thank you to everyone in this group for your contributions, which
helped me develop more background knowledge of IFR flight than I could
otherwise have hoped to have.


All the best,


David

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[David Megginson]

John Theune > writes:

> Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed
> twice because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride
> had to be performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it
> was mandated that way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to
> do unusal attitude recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged
> life.

I did it in Canada. Unusual attitude recovery on instruments is not
part of our IFR flight test, but I think that I remember doing it
during the hood work in the PPL flight test.

The other difference up here is that you have to retake the IFR flight
test every two years to stay current (in addition to six hours IFR and
six approaches to minimums in the last six months -- the 666 rule).


All the best,


David

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[Sriram Narayan]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:34:00 GMT, John Theune >
wrote:

>David Megginson > wrote in
:
>
>> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
>> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
>> lot of fun.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone in this group for your contributions, which
>> helped me develop more background knowledge of IFR flight than I could
>> otherwise have hoped to have.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>
>Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed twice
>because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride had to be
>performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it was mandated that
>way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to do unusal attitude
>recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged life.

Not necessarily. Part of my test was done in VFR, above the clouds for
the unusual attidudes etc. I had a couple of approaches in IMC (didn't
see the airport on the VOR approach) so had to do a missed. This was
in Northern California (SF Bay area).

[JerryK]

Like you said, I think they need VFR weather for at least part of the test
for certain tasks. But my approaches were done in actual.

"John Theune" > wrote in message
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> David Megginson > wrote in
> :
>
> > I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
> > morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
> > lot of fun.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone in this group for your contributions, which
> > helped me develop more background knowledge of IFR flight than I could
> > otherwise have hoped to have.
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> >
> > David
> >
>
> Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed twice
> because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride had to be
> performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it was mandated
that
> way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to do unusal attitude
> recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged life.

[David Brooks]

"John Theune" > wrote in message
1...

> Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed twice
> because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride had to be
> performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it was mandated
that
> way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to do unusal attitude
> recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged life.

Not necessarily. My IR ride was in IMC (900ft ceilings, so not as
challenging). But the airport stands 600ft above the Sound, and after the
last approach we transitioned to SVFR, went over the water and did the
maneuvers there. I was totally fried, of course, and my steep turns sucked,
but we managed to stay both dry and clear.

It has to be the judgement of the applicant, subject to an overrule (and
likely disapproval) by the DE. And a discontinuance is always an option if
that SVFR thing hadn't worked out.

-- David Brooks

[David Megginson]

"Dan Luke" > writes:

> Congratulations and welcome to SMOGG, the Sincerely Motivated
> Organization of Gauge Gazers.

Thanks -- that's the plan. I wanted to get my rating so that I can
start learning IFR in earnest, outside the training sandbox.


All the best,


David

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David Megginson, , http://www.megginson.com/

[David Megginson]

"Dan Luke" > writes:

> Congratulations and welcome to SMOGG, the Sincerely Motivated
> Organization of Gauge Gazers.

Thanks -- that's the plan. I wanted to get my rating so that I can
start learning IFR in earnest, outside the training sandbox.


All the best,


David

--
David Megginson, , http://www.megginson.com/

[Sydney Hoeltzli]

David Megginson wrote:
> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
> lot of fun.

David,

Congratulations!

Just out of curiousity, though, how did your DE handle
partial panel, steep turns, and unusual attitudes?

Did he actually set you up in unusual attitudes IMC,
or have you fly partial panel in IMC, with 400 ft
ceilings?

Cheers,
Sydney

[David Megginson]

Sydney Hoeltzli > writes:

> Just out of curiousity, though, how did your DE handle
> partial panel, steep turns, and unusual attitudes?

Those are not part of the Canadian IFR flight test, though we do them
all in training, and get tested on unusual attitude recovery under the
hood for the PPL (if I recall correctly). The IFR flight test itself
is just normal ops.

It would be hard to say which approach is best. Our DFTE *is* allowed
to fail instruments or avionics during the test -- I lost my DME for
the NDB approach -- but it's rare to get anything too hard the first
time through. On the other hand, we have to retake the IFR flight
test every two years, and the DFTE's tend to get tougher on the
recurrency tests (i.e. covering the AI and HI, or pulling the circuit
breaker for the TC and waiting to see how long it takes you to
notice).


All the best,


David

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David Megginson, , http://www.megginson.com/

[Peter R.]

David Megginson ) wrote:

> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
> lot of fun.

Well done and congratulations to you!

Now you can sit here on the ground, looking up at the broken layer of
cumulous clouds with numerous, embedded t-storms awaiting inside and say,
"sometimes legal is not safe." :)

--
Peter
Too many scattered t-storms in our neck of the woods these days...

[[email protected]]

Gotta love the FAA... what's safe's not necessarily legal, and
what's legal's not necessarily safe.


Peter R. > wrote:
: David Megginson ) wrote:

:> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
:> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
:> lot of fun.
:
: Well done and congratulations to you!

: Now you can sit here on the ground, looking up at the broken layer of
: cumulous clouds with numerous, embedded t-storms awaiting inside and say,
: "sometimes legal is not safe." :)

: --
: Peter
: Too many scattered t-storms in our neck of the woods these days...










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[Martin Kosina]

"Marty Ross" > wrote in message k.net>...

> I'd always been too busy to enjoy all of this! Also, the grin comes back
> everytime I look up and realize I'm not reliant on the "perfect weather day"
> (which is so rare in So. Cal during this time of year); now I can actually
> plan trips and take them (more often) on MY schedule!

Hehe, that will change when the iceman cometh... Anyway,
congratulations, don't mean to knock it, just be careful guys. I can't
imagine x-c flying without my instrument ticket, but sans deiced turbo
its a far cry from doing things on MY schedule here in the NW. LA is
warmer, but the Sierras are not.

[smackey]

David Megginson > wrote in message >...
> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
> lot of fun.
>
> Thank you to everyone in this group for your contributions, which
> helped me develop more background knowledge of IFR flight than I could
> otherwise have hoped to have.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> David

Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roger Halstead]

On 6 Aug 2003 17:57:16 -0700, (smackey) wrote:

>David Megginson > wrote in message >...
>> I just wanted to mention that I passed my IFR flight test this
>> morning. We did it in hard IFR, with a 400-foot ceiling -- it was a
>> lot of fun.
>>

First, congratulations!

The checkride in actual?
I checked out three locations( TVC, a DE from the Cadillac area, and
one from around Pontiac.) and all of the them required the flight to
be in VMC. They said that as I was to be the PIC for the flight and
wasn't yet rated it had to be in VMC. I was willing, but they
weren't.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

>> Thank you to everyone in this group for your contributions, which
>> helped me develop more background knowledge of IFR flight than I could
>> otherwise have hoped to have.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> David
>
> Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert M. Gary]

John Theune > wrote in message >...
> David Megginson > wrote in
> :
> Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed twice
> because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride had to be
> performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it was mandated that
> way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to do unusal attitude
> recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged life.

If nothing else, it means the DE would have to serve as PIC, something
most DEs won't do. For private applicants the FARs specifically allow
the student to serve as PIC during the checkride.

[David Megginson]

(Robert M. Gary) writes:

>> Where was it done and who was your DE? I had my checkride postponed twice
>> because on poor weather. My DE said that the IFR checkride had to be
>> performed in VFR conditions and led me to believe that it was mandated that
>> way. I believed him as he pointed out trying to do unusal attitude
>> recovery in IMC was not condusive to prolonged life.
>
> If nothing else, it means the DE would have to serve as PIC, something
> most DEs won't do. For private applicants the FARs specifically allow
> the student to serve as PIC during the checkride.

In Canada, the student is allowed to serve as PIC during the IFR
checkride in the same way. It was my first PIC in IMC.


All the best,


David

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