Commercial Certificate question

[runner_x]

I'm wondering what the quickest (even thought it might not be the best
way) to get to CP-AM/SEL rating.

I'm already instrument rated, but haven't really started
multi-training. I heard there is a way to take both the multi and
single checkrides at the same time. Something about using the multi
for the complex airplane portion of the ride. Someone please clarify
this for me :P

runner

[Daniel L. Lieberman]

"runner_x" > wrote in message
...
> I'm wondering what the quickest (even thought it might not be the best
> way) to get to CP-AM/SEL rating.
>
> I'm already instrument rated, but haven't really started
> multi-training. I heard there is a way to take both the multi and
> single checkrides at the same time. Something about using the multi
> for the complex airplane portion of the ride. Someone please clarify
> this for me :P
>
> runner

Check the PTS. You get credit towards the multi for the single engine. The
multi checkride (by memory) has a single engine approach and a max drag demo
and a few other similar items. There is little duplication.

If you want to do it efficiently go to Sheble in Arizona. I managed the
commercial single & multi and a single engine sea in less than a week.

Sit in the multi before you fly it and practice locating the controls. That
will save some time. I was able to do the checkride with less than 4 hours
of multi time because I studied and rehearsed things in my mind before the
first time I started the engine.

[nooneimportant]

Yup, initial commercial multi is becoming more and more reasonable. At the
school I teach at its almost "the" way to go, the arrows we used are MX
hogs, even tho they are newish, and the total cost of the program from
private through MEI is virtually unchanged by doing com/me initial and
ditching the single engine complex aircraft completely.

Basically what you will do is a "Private Multi" checkride wiht a few extra's
on it, read the Commertial Multi Engine PTS for more details, you will also
add a single and dual engine instrument approach for the instrument multi
add on. After passing that ride you will have "Commercial Privelages" in a
multi engine aircraft (for what its worth), but not single. For the "Single
Engine Add On" you will do the Chandelles, Lazy Eights, Eights on Pylons,
Power Off Precision Approach (AKA Power Off 180), and repeat some Private
manuevers to higher standards like short and soft field landings and steep
turns. The advantage is that you are doing these in a non-complex aircraft
and it makes them much easier. Another option is to skip comm single and go
on to Mult-Engine-Instructor straight off, when thats done you can add the
"Single Engine" portion to both commercial AND CFI tickets without the need
for a complex single aircraft, though it will be treated as two seperate
checkrides (even if you do them both on the same day in back to back
flights.) Really wouldn't surprise me if this became more standard
considering the rising costs of operating airplanes in general, and single
complex specifically (they usually have a lower profit margin compared to
fixed single and multi).

The downside of all this is that a persons first ever flight in a single
complex could very well be without an instructor in the other seat......





"runner_x" > wrote in message
...
> I'm wondering what the quickest (even thought it might not be the best
> way) to get to CP-AM/SEL rating.
>
> I'm already instrument rated, but haven't really started
> multi-training. I heard there is a way to take both the multi and
> single checkrides at the same time. Something about using the multi
> for the complex airplane portion of the ride. Someone please clarify
> this for me :P
>
> runner
>