New Year weight loss plans ??? [Archive]

Matt Whiting

December 31st 05, 07:29 PM

Jim Carriere

December 31st 05, 07:34 PM

Montblack wrote:
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>
> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it
> in the past, want to share your story?

Wilderness survival training?? Big pain small gain (loss).

> Montblack
> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
> (Mmm... strawberries)

LOL, yer so baaaaad :)

Clay

December 31st 05, 07:52 PM

Remember. For every 6 pounds of weight loss you can add one more
gallon of 100LL.

Blanche

December 31st 05, 08:03 PM

just reduce caloric intake by 500 cal/day. That results in 1 pound
a week. 500 cal. aint much. 2 candy bars. Order of fries.
Anything at McDonalds (other than salad). 1.5 scoops of premium
ice cream. Reduce portions by about 1/4.

Want to speed up the process? Take a 30 min. walk every day.

Most reputable guidelines and physicians and nutritionists agree
that more than 2 lb/week isn't really healthy.

In short -- be sensible and don't try anything drastic.

Montblack

December 31st 05, 08:41 PM

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
> Did you miss Jay Honeck's weight loss plan he detailed over the past
> year or so?

I think he's down to about 175 ...eating fruit.

Montblack

Jack Allison

December 31st 05, 09:29 PM

Montblack wrote:
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)

Must be a slow day on the r.a.* front...or a New Years resolution thing.

> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)

Unless you're talking about a Cherokee six, Saratoga, or Seneca. I do
believe the phrase I've heard in reference to a C-206 applies: "If it
fits through the door, you can haul it".

> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year?

Nope...planning to hold stable where I'm at...though I have gained a
couple of pounds since Thanksgiving. Plenty of headroom though. I
know, I suck. Not exactly what you were looking for. :-P

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

Matt Whiting

December 31st 05, 09:38 PM

Clay wrote:
> Remember. For every 6 pounds of weight loss you can add one more
> gallon of 100LL.
>

True, but that stuff tastes nasty. I'd rather drink water. :-)

Matt

Matt Whiting

December 31st 05, 09:39 PM

Montblack wrote:

> ("Matt Whiting" wrote)
>
>> Did you miss Jay Honeck's weight loss plan he detailed over the past
>> year or so?
>
>
>
> I think he's down to about 175 ...eating fruit.

Yep, you just need to emulate Jay ... well at least his eating habits! :-)

Matt

.Blueskies.

December 31st 05, 10:42 PM

"Montblack" > wrote in message ...
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>
> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it in the past, want to share your story?
>
>
> Montblack
> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans. (Mmm... strawberries)

Hmmm, maybe a little push over the top, makes me feel lighter! ;-)

Jim Burns

December 31st 05, 11:21 PM

Sorry. Can't help ya.
I've always got something that I'd rather do, eating usually takes time away
from something more fun.... like drinking.
Or flying.

I'd suggest Jay's fruit diet if you haven't tried it. Makes sense to me.

If you go down to the Minneapolis or St. Paul Farmers Mkt or Produce
Terminal, you can buy fruit wholesale by the box and save tons of money.
Not the fashionable faux farmers market where individuals truck their
produce in only on the weekends, but the Produce terminal where food
services and chain stores buy. You can get produce and fruit from all over
the country and even imports. We get fruit for our employees each Christmas
from the Chicago Market. We mixed up Grapefruit, oranges, 3 kinds of
apples, 2 kinds of pears, plus a few other things. Average box of any of
the previous will cost you less than $20 for 40-50 lbs. PLUS you can get
the premium sizes... non of those microscopic oranges or apples, the lower
the count number the larger the size.

I'm not familiar with the Minneapolis/St. Paul markets, we don't ship much
in that direction, but be warned... if they are like most terminal markets
they may open around 4am and be closed by noon, so get there early. Most
companies on the markets are happy to deal with individual customers in
small amounts, a large part of their business can be with small restaurants
who buy daily so they are used to putting together custom orders, just be
willing to buy full boxes of each product.

Jim

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>
> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it in
> the past, want to share your story?
>
>
> Montblack
> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
> (Mmm... strawberries)
>

james

December 31st 05, 11:38 PM

i agree with above comments about walking. don't commit yourself to
working out at the gym with weights or cardio 2-5 days a week for two
hours. if you haven't done it yet you're not going to, or if it's not
your thing you'll lose interest fast.

think about your day to day living instead, and working activity into
it.

buy some cloth grocery bags and start walking to the store or small
markets, or for regular errands. start biking to work. get a rack and
small trunk bag (google it), for your bike and use it for small errands
around town. you'd be surprised at how much quicker you can actually
get things done than driving from parking lot to parking lot.
(there's lots of logistics on how to use bikes for regular commuting
and errands on bikeforums.net)

if you do want to do cardio or weights at a gym don't join bally's or
24 hr fitness. generally large gyms want lots of money up front, and
their so big it's a pain to do what you want quickly and efficiently,
plus you probably don't need day care and smoothie bars.

instead find a small gym CLOSE to your house. even if it's a small gym
as long as it has some free weights and cardio machines your all set.
the closer it is to your house the more you'll go to it. the gym i go
to is $30 a month, and has all different kinds (and shapes) of people.
don't worry about what people think. most gym people respect anyone
there trying to better their physical health.

for HOME setup you can buy a set of 15, 20 and 25 pound weights and an
incline/decline bench for under $100. you can do all upper body
exercises with this equip, and won't take up much space.

check out the web site www.bodyforlife.com -- it's a good way to get
started, and pretty straightforward, with little videos of the correct
way to do exercises, and plenty of good recipes too.

also eat the obvious good stuff, and not junk. eat small meals
throughout the day (every 3-4 hours) rather than big meals. this keeps
your hunger down and your metabolism up.

just my personal experience -- i hope this helps! all the best

james

December 31st 05, 11:45 PM

oh and my personal diet plan for eating out is called "Sauce on the
Side" (hey that'd be great book title)

order everything, chicken, salads, burgers, whatever without sauce or
dressing, and have it on the side so you allot how much you put on.

and whatever you get at applebeesTGIFfridaysrubytuesdaysshenanigins,
cut it in half and take it home.

i personally believe portion control (moderation), and daily activity
is just as important, if not MORE important the WHAT you eat.

Jay Beckman

January 1st 06, 12:12 AM

"james" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> oh and my personal diet plan for eating out is called "Sauce on the
> Side" (hey that'd be great book title)
>
> order everything, chicken, salads, burgers, whatever without sauce or
> dressing, and have it on the side so you allot how much you put on.
>
> and whatever you get at applebeesTGIFfridaysrubytuesdaysshenanigins,
> cut it in half and take it home.
>
> i personally believe portion control (moderation), and daily activity
> is just as important, if not MORE important the WHAT you eat.

james,

You are absolutely correct on your last point.

My Mrs. shed 40 pounds via Weight Watchers and this is exactly how it works.
You can eat anything you want but everything has a points value to it and
you get X points per day. When you hit your total, you're done...

Want the chocolate cake? No problem, but it's all yer gonna get today so if
you want full meals, you start to learn where you can save points and still
get full.

Works really well.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

JohnH

January 1st 06, 12:49 AM

> buy some cloth grocery bags and start walking to the store or small
> markets, or for regular errands. start biking to work. get a rack
> and small trunk bag (google it), for your bike and use it for small
> errands around town. you'd be surprised at how much quicker you can
> actually get things done than driving from parking lot to parking lot.
> (there's lots of logistics on how to use bikes for regular commuting
> and errands on bikeforums.net)

The wife and I ride bikes to the store whenever possible unless what we're
getting is too big to carry (the closest is 5 miles away). We seem to be
the only ones around who do it; it's sad. It's also a shame bikes weren't
considered here when the roads were built (or when drivers were taught for
that matter).

Since we both ride, one of us waits outside with the bikes while the other
shops. We can carry considerable groceries in 2 backpacks.

I have no doubt we'd weigh 50 more pounds than we do otherwise, as we eat
pretty much whatever we want.

As a result, we can both fly in a 150 with full fuel! ;) We even have
folding bikes for the plane.

I think Jay said he was going to start doing this too. I wonder how that
went?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

January 1st 06, 01:57 AM

BTIZ

January 1st 06, 03:42 AM

Weight Loss Success in 2005..

I stopped eating at the free company chow hall...

and bring my lunch... light soup, crackers and fruit cup for desert..

From last April to November... down about 20 pounds (US), 3 inches off the
waist, BP is down, as is the borderline high blood sugar... I see my doc
again in a couple of months... first time he'll see the results..

BT

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>
> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it in
> the past, want to share your story?
>
>
> Montblack
> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
> (Mmm... strawberries)

BTIZ

January 1st 06, 03:44 AM

> markets, or for regular errands. start biking to work. get a rack and
> small trunk bag (google it), for your bike and use it for small errands
> around town. you'd be surprised at how much quicker you can actually

It's 15 miles one way of inner city traffic and interstate... not a good
commute for biking..

guynoir

January 1st 06, 04:05 AM

vincent p. norris

January 1st 06, 04:11 AM

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:57:42 -0600, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
> wrote:
> The quickest weight loss program is Suture Systems® where the motto
>is "hey, you really only need one lung and no one knows what the spleen
>is for anway."
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You remind me of a "greeting" card I saw years ago. On the front it
asked, "Like to lose 20 ugly pounds?"

Inside, it said, "Cut off your head!"

vince norris

Martin Hotze

January 1st 06, 10:51 AM

On 31 Dec 2005 20:03:14 GMT, Blanche wrote:

>just reduce caloric intake by 500 cal/day. That results in 1 pound
>a week. 500 cal. aint much. 2 candy bars. Order of fries.
>Anything at McDonalds (other than salad). 1.5 scoops of premium
>ice cream. Reduce portions by about 1/4.

second that.

just think about the folks who lived back some thousand years. what did
they had?

just eat a little less meat, much more fruit and veggies, some nuts, no (!)
junk food, maybe a little bit of vitamines (C,E) plus fishoil (omega 3).
eat about 1 kilo of fruit per day (this is about 4 apples).

plus: drink at least 1 liter of water per day. I put 1 bottle of water
(sparkling) per day to my desk. And add the amount of coffee or black/green
tee you drink to the 1 liter of water.

you sure can eat ice or candies ... just reduce the amount.

>Want to speed up the process? Take a 30 min. walk every day.

at least 2 times per week for 20 minutes or so. Use the stairs for 1 or 2
floors.

>In short -- be sensible and don't try anything drastic.

agreed!

AND: watch this great film: "supersize me!"
<http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=movietrailer>

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

January 1st 06, 02:23 PM

vincent p. norris wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:57:42 -0600, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
> > wrote:
>
>> The quickest weight loss program is Suture Systems® where the motto
>>is "hey, you really only need one lung and no one knows what the spleen
>>is for anway."
>>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
> You remind me of a "greeting" card I saw years ago. On the front it
> asked, "Like to lose 20 ugly pounds?"
>
> Inside, it said, "Cut off your head!"
>
> vince norris

How about the divorce announcement "I lost 200 pounds of useless flab?"

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Montblack

January 1st 06, 05:24 PM

("Martin Hotze" wrote)
> you sure can eat ice or candies ... just reduce the amount.

Marty Marty Marty

Plenty of "ice" around here in Minnesota. I just hope they don't catch me
licking the local skating rink on my walks past the park. <g>

Is ice European for sweets?

> AND: watch this great film: "supersize me!"
> <http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=movietrailer>

I've missed this movie. I've read a lot about it. When I first heard about a
guy eating at McDonald's for every meal I thought .....and? BTDT. :-)

Montblackcowshake
Mmm ...Arby's

Martin Hotze

January 1st 06, 05:56 PM

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:24:38 -0600, Montblack wrote:

>("Martin Hotze" wrote)
>> you sure can eat ice or candies ... just reduce the amount.
>
>
>Marty Marty Marty
>
>Plenty of "ice" around here in Minnesota. I just hope they don't catch me
>licking the local skating rink on my walks past the park. <g>
>
>Is ice European for sweets?

European? there is no such language :-)

ice for icecream
sweets: candies or sweeties. well, maybe there is something lost in
translation.

>> AND: watch this great film: "supersize me!"
>> <http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=movietrailer>
>
>I've missed this movie.

you should watch it.

> I've read a lot about it. When I first heard about a
>guy eating at McDonald's for every meal I thought .....and? BTDT. :-)

really? hmm.

>Montblackcowshake
>Mmm ...Arby's

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

George Patterson

January 1st 06, 05:57 PM

Blanche wrote:

> just reduce caloric intake by 500 cal/day. That results in 1 pound
> a week. 500 cal. aint much. 2 candy bars. Order of fries.
> Anything at McDonalds (other than salad). 1.5 scoops of premium
> ice cream. Reduce portions by about 1/4.

Alcoholic beverages also put on pounds.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[email protected]

January 1st 06, 05:58 PM

Atkins worked for me. No carbs, no sugar. Eat anything else you want
in any quantity. Took 7% off my total take off weight in 6 months.
Would take a lot of carbon fiber and Titanium to equal that. First 2
weeks were kind of hard. No sugar drinks were my particular challenge.

Blood pressure is way down, as is the cholesterol level. I now cheat
on weekends with no adverse effects.

Same calorie diet but with carbs and at the same activity level, will
add pounds. My brother had similar results. We just all seem to be a
bit different in the way we metabolize food.
===================
Leon McAtee
No need for a toaster anymore........more counter space.

Jack Allison

January 1st 06, 05:59 PM

Montblack wrote:

> Plenty of "ice" around here in Minnesota. I just hope they don't catch
> me licking the local skating rink on my walks past the park. <g>

A year ago it was hanging out in the library for Internet access...now
it's licking the skating rink (for dietary purposes, of course). I'm
not sure I want to know what's next :-)

> Montblackcowshake
Steak & Shake?

> Mmm ...Arby's
You mean their plastic "roast beef"? Never did understand that. Around
here, Arby's have been falling off the planet. No loss.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

George Patterson

January 1st 06, 06:10 PM

Montblack wrote:

> If you've succeeded it
> in the past, want to share your story?

My wife had great success with the Atkins diet some years back. The first few
weeks aren't a lot of fun.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Montblack

January 1st 06, 08:47 PM

("Jack Allison" wrote)
>> Montblackcowshake
> Steak & Shake?

Black Cow was their rootbeer flavored shake. Nummy. I worket at Arby's my
senior year back in 1978.

>> Mmm ...Arby's
> You mean their plastic "roast beef"? Never did understand that. Around
> here, Arby's have been falling off the planet. No loss.

Coupons are key to Arby's. Their new Reuben sandwich is pretty good. Not as
good as Friar Tuck's though!!!

Montblack

Jay Honeck

January 1st 06, 11:31 PM

>> I think he's down to about 175 ...eating fruit.
>
> Yep, you just need to emulate Jay ... well at least his eating habits!
> :-)

Hey!

Actually, I've crept back up to 180 since Thanksgiving -- thanks, in part,
to none other than Montblack himself, who (along with Mrs. Montblack)
stuffed me full of all sorts of yummy and delicious non-fruit type foods
during our visit. :-)

That was a FOUR pound gain in THREE days. I kid you not. (Note: Montblack
DID put out bananas, which I dutifully ignored, diving straight into the
M&Ms and egg nog instead...)

I'll be back on "the horse" (or, shall I say, the "apple") tomorrow... And
I'm still waaaay down from 200.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 1st 06, 11:35 PM

>> just reduce caloric intake by 500 cal/day. That results in 1 pound
>> a week. 500 cal. aint much. 2 candy bars. Order of fries.
>> Anything at McDonalds (other than salad). 1.5 scoops of premium
>> ice cream. Reduce portions by about 1/4.
>
> Alcoholic beverages also put on pounds.

Hey, now. If you're gonna start swearing, I'm leaving.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 1st 06, 11:38 PM

> The wife and I ride bikes to the store whenever possible unless what we're
> getting is too big to carry (the closest is 5 miles away).
>
> I think Jay said he was going to start doing this too. I wonder how that
> went?

We had the coldest early December in Iowa history.

The bike idea was relegated to the "nice try" ash heap of history, at least
until spring.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 1st 06, 11:40 PM

> Most
> companies on the markets are happy to deal with individual customers in
> small amounts, a large part of their business can be with small
> restaurants
> who buy daily so they are used to putting together custom orders, just be
> willing to buy full boxes of each product.

Wow, that's a great idea. I'm sick of paying outrageous grocery prices for
mediocre fruit.

Any idea how can I find out the location of my closest fruit wholesaler?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 1st 06, 11:42 PM

> From last April to November... down about 20 pounds (US), 3 inches off the
> waist, BP is down, as is the borderline high blood sugar... I see my doc
> again in a couple of months... first time he'll see the results..

Way to go!

I hope your doctor's nurse gives you as great an "attaboy!" as mine did,
when she took my weight.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk

January 1st 06, 11:46 PM

I got a diet plan for you Montblack! It is the plan that my wife uses,
it's called The Monk Diet.

My wife's on The Monk Diet and she's looking great.

The Monk Diet works like this ~ we go out, she orders appetizer and
salads, main meal, desert and her drink of choice. I do the same for
myself.

The trick to The Monk Diet is in the execution.
First I eat both of our appetizers and salads (mine's got an extra
helping of dressing), she might have had a chance to take one bite out
of hers. She sips on her strawberry daiquiri while I down my pina
colada.

Second we start on our main course where I quickly consume mine and
help her with half of hers. I finish up my pina colada and drink the
rest of her daiquiri. I order one more daiquiri and she gets a glass
of rose'.

Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my apetiser and proceed
to help her with 75% of her apetiser. I drink two or three more fruity
drinks, and sips at least half of all her drinks.

Forth I order one more desert.

So far it's worked out great, she's only maybe five-ten lbs. over
weight. This plans hasn't worked out too well for me, I'm about forty
over :^)

January 1st 06, 11:50 PM

Montblack wrote:
> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>
> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it
> in the past, want to share your story?
>
>
> Montblack
> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
> (Mmm... strawberries)

I've lost 10lbs over the last 2 months since returing to a proper (for
me) eating regimine. I was at 195 and rapidly getting bigger with a
sharp decline in my health in all respects....

I do the Atkins diet, the only tolerable way of eating for me. But I
have moderate to severe food allergies/intolerances which leave me very
little choice...... But my health is now much much better and I feel
much better as well....

10lbs is a lot in my plane, may have to redo the W&B... for sure if I
lose any more ;)....

LS
N646F

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 01:18 AM

I got a diet plan for you Montblack! It is the plan that my wife uses,
it's called The Monk Diet.

My wife's on The Monk Diet and she's looking great.

The Monk Diet works like this ~ we go out; she orders appetizer and
salads, main meal, desert and her drink of choice. I do the same for
myself.

The trick to The Monk Diet is in the execution. First I eat both of
our appetizers and salads (mine's got an extra helping of dressing),
she might have had a chance to take one bite out of hers. She sips on
her strawberry daiquiri while I down my pina colada.

Second we start on our main course where I quickly consume mine and
help her with half of hers. I finish up my pina colada and drink the
rest of her daiquiri. I order one more daiquiri and she gets a glass
of rose'.

Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my appetizer and proceed
to help her with 75% of her appetizer. I drink two or three more
fruity drinks, and sip at least half of all her drinks.

Forth I order one more desert.

So far it's worked out great; she's only maybe five-ten lbs. over
weight. This plan hasn't worked out too well for me however, I'm
about forty over :^)

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 01:37 AM

Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my appetizer and proceed
to help her with 75% of her appetizer.

I meant to write Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my
desert and proceed
to help her with 75% of her desert.

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 01:40 AM

I got a diet plan for you Montblack! It is the plan that my wife uses,
it's called The Monk Diet.

My wife's on The Monk Diet and she's looking great.

The Monk Diet works like this ~ we go out; she orders appetizer and
salads, main meal, desert and her drink of choice. I do the same for
myself.

The trick to The Monk Diet is in the execution. First I eat both of
our appetizers and salads (mine's got an extra helping of dressing),
she might have had a chance to take one bite out of hers. She sips on
her strawberry daiquiri while I down my pina colada.

Second we start on our main course where I quickly consume mine and
help her with half of hers. I finish up my pina colada and drink the
rest of her daiquiri. I order one more daiquiri and she gets a glass
of rose'.

Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my desert and proceed to
help her with 75% of her desert. I drink two or three more fruity
drinks, and sip at least half of all her drinks.

Forth I order one more desert.

So far it's worked out great; she's only maybe five-ten lbs. over
weight. This plan hasn't worked out too well for me however, I'm
about forty over :^)

vincent p. norris

January 2nd 06, 01:52 AM

> How about the divorce announcement "I lost 200 pounds of useless flab?"
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Terrific! I hadn't seen that one.

Happy new Year!

vince norris

cjcampbell

January 2nd 06, 02:02 AM

I would like to lose about 100 pounds, getting back to what I weighed
when I was into triathlon. Unfortunately, since a biking accident left
me with a compressed spine, plantar fasciitis and hyperextended
tendons, and torn rotator cuffs, that kind of exercise regime is simply
not in the cards.

I do need to get out walking more, though.

Jose

January 2nd 06, 02:10 AM

> I meant to write Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my
> desert and proceed to help her with 75% of her desert.

Even so, 25% of any desert is quite a bit. It's like passing a deli and
eating a quarter of all the sand which is there. :)

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

james

January 2nd 06, 02:13 AM

side streets my friend!! check out this article
http://www.slate.com/id/2130978/

even if you can't commute to work i'm a big advocate of utilitarian
biking. even if it adds 1/3 additional time to your commute, that 1/2
time you would have spent in car is now spent doing some heavy duty
cardio. naturally western more "outdoorsy" states are more supportive
and condusive to this lifestyle, but even if your co-workers think
you're a dork so be it. your abs and your wallet will benefit. (the
savings in gas money, plus lowering my car insurance to "occasional
use" has given me a LOT more money for flying...

a few times i've even biked to FTG (home airport), with a friend,
flight gear in my panniers, and secured bikes in the back of the 182.
at my destination they comes in perfect for getting around and
exploring whatever town we're headed to (and generally much more
reliable than the courtesy car :)

now bikes AND camping gear get a little too heavy on hot summer days...

james

January 2nd 06, 02:20 AM

hey that's great! yeah summer evenings ARE definetely more condusive
to doing a nice 8 miles ride and treating yourself to ice cream at the
end.

i ride all throught the winter as it's usually dry here in Denver
during the winter, (a few storms but streets dry up fast), and i have
incredibly thin but warm goretex and under armour for skiing anyway
that i wear, but we had a week of 10-15 below here in Denver so I was
happy to take a break during that arctic blast.

Peter Duniho

January 2nd 06, 02:32 AM

"Jose" > wrote in message
t...
>> I meant to write Third we start on the deserts, I quickly down my
>> desert and proceed to help her with 75% of her desert.
>
> Even so, 25% of any desert is quite a bit. It's like passing a deli and
> eating a quarter of all the sand which is there. :)

Sure, but there are zero calories. So any weight gain would be temporary
(if enormous). :)

Ricky Summersett

January 2nd 06, 05:37 AM

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:58 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it in
>the past, want to share your story?

After reaching a safe altitude push the yoke (or stick) forward. The
faster and more forcefully you push it the more weight you will lose.
Unbuckle your seat belt and this weight loss method can be quite
enjoyable.

Seriously, I started running several years ago. Decided I wanted to do
a marathon after my wife did one. Now I run several days a week and am
usually training to shave more time off of the spring marathons I
annually run in Austin and Houston.
Before I started running I ate trash and weighed over 200 pounds. Now
I hover around 160 year-round. I feel better than I ever have. I eat
sensibly and do not idolize food. I don't eat much junk.
There are no secrets or quick-fixes to successful weight loss. It
really is a very simple plan but possibly the most difficult thing
you'll ever do. Eat less, eat well and exercise.

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 06, 04:13 PM

"james" > wrote:

>even if you can't commute to work i'm a big advocate of utilitarian
>biking. even if it adds 1/3 additional time to your commute, that 1/2
>time you would have spent in car is now spent doing some heavy duty
>cardio. naturally western more "outdoorsy" states are more supportive
>and condusive to this lifestyle, but even if your co-workers think
>you're a dork so be it. your abs and your wallet will benefit. (the
>savings in gas money, plus lowering my car insurance to "occasional
>use" has given me a LOT more money for flying...

I'm pretty evangelistic about bike commuting too, and have been doing
it for a LOT of years. Once you get used to it, you'll find yourself
making excuses why you CAN ride to work, rather than why you CAN'T.
It's a rare example of "making time" - compared to sitting in traffic
for an hour a day, burning gas and wearing out your car - THEN trying
to find time to go (drive!) to the gym... bike commuting allows you to
have a pleasant ride to work, and then another one coming home, and
usually adds only minutes to the total "commute" time.

My daily ride is 12.5 miles each way, and takes 40 to 45 minutes.
Driving to the same destination takes 25 to 45 minutes (average of ~35
minutes). So for 10 to 20 minutes "investment" I get about an hour
and a half of workout time.

>a few times i've even biked to FTG (home airport), with a friend,
>flight gear in my panniers, and secured bikes in the back of the 182.
>at my destination they comes in perfect for getting around and
>exploring whatever town we're headed to (and generally much more
>reliable than the courtesy car :)

This is going to drive (no pun intended) my choice of aircraft some
day - I need a relatively fast 2-seater with enough room behind the
seats for a couple bikes and luggage. It helps that I own a company
that builds titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.

>now bikes AND camping gear get a little too heavy on hot summer days...

Suddenly the Murphy Moose looks better...

Mark Hickey

Grumman-581

January 2nd 06, 04:58 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> It helps that I own a company that builds
> titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.

I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in China... I
was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike for
my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China or
Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?

Darrel Toepfer

January 2nd 06, 05:09 PM

Grumman-581 wrote:

> I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in China... I
> was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike for
> my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China or
> Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?

One guy builds frames here in Louisiana. Its for the xtreme sports
people who do stunts and dirt racing. Used to build them here @4R7 and
then moved his operation to Baton Rouge...

Jose

January 2nd 06, 05:21 PM

> I'm pretty evangelistic about bike commuting too

.... of course you arrive at work all sweaty.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jim Burns

January 2nd 06, 05:51 PM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:9MZtf.453032$084.446405@attbi_s22...
>
> Any idea how can I find out the location of my closest fruit wholesaler?
> --
> Jay Honeck

Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check their
area, let me know.
Jim

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 06:04 PM

Jim wrote:
>Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check their
>area, let me know.

Yes please Jim. Northern Virginia zip code 20164. Thank you.

The Monk

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 06:08 PM

Mark Hickey wrote:
>It helps that I own a company that builds titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.

Got a link to your company's website? you can email if you prefer
chaisone(at)yahoo.com.

The Monk

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 06:46 PM

Thanks Martin.

The Monk

Matt Whiting

January 2nd 06, 07:24 PM

Darrel Toepfer wrote:
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>
>> I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in
>> China... I
>> was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike
>> for
>> my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China or
>> Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?
>
>
> One guy builds frames here in Louisiana. Its for the xtreme sports
> people who do stunts and dirt racing. Used to build them here @4R7 and
> then moved his operation to Baton Rouge...

There's a man near me who makes his frames in his own shop using, get
this, no power tools! He has a peddle operated grinder and other man
powered tools that he uses. Of course, many of his components are
imported as I don't think there are any US makers of brakes,
derailleurs, etc.

Check it out at: http://www.oswaldcycleworks.com/

I bought a couple of Fuji bikes there two years ago and Tom was a great
guy to deal with.

Matt

Jim Burns

January 2nd 06, 07:28 PM

Monk,
Check your gmail.
Any questions, just ask.
Jim

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jim wrote:
> >Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check
their
> >area, let me know.
>
> Yes please Jim. Northern Virginia zip code 20164. Thank you.
>
> The Monk
>

Flyingmonk

January 2nd 06, 07:52 PM

Just checked, thank you Jim :^)

The Monk

Montblack

January 2nd 06, 08:06 PM

>> Any idea how can I find out the location of my closest fruit wholesaler?

("Jim Burns" wrote)
> Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check their
> area, let me know.

Me too please. 55434 (Blaine, MN) or probably better ....Mpls.

Montblack

JohnH

January 2nd 06, 08:36 PM

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
> ...
>> It helps that I own a company that builds
>> titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.
>
> I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in
> China... I was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking
> for a new bike for my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were
> either made in China or Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the
> USA anymore?

Frames cost $8 to make in China...

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/b08b8267edb1a91f/9647a63355fc8c86

My bikes (Giant) use Chinese frames and they really are very durable.

Imagine if extrapolated into the aircraft market....

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 06, 11:42 PM

"Grumman-581" > wrote:

>"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
>> It helps that I own a company that builds
>> titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.
>
>I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in China... I
>was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike for
>my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China or
>Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?

Not too many make frames in the USA any longer - there are some
"artisan shops" that turn out relatively expensive frames, often with
aesthetic touches that can't be found on most "production frames"...
but the cost of labor, and probably equally important - the cost of
meeting environmental restrictions when welding and painting - have
driven most production overseas.

I happened to get into the business with the Chinese because I lived
in China for a couple years, and was introduced to a group of
aerospace fabricators who had been spun off the Long March rocket
booster program. I was very much impressed with the welders' art
(which is obvious on a single-pass TIG weld), and have been bringing
in the frames and selling them worldwide for over 10 years.

The built bikes are assembled in the US though (although there are
almost no viable US-sourced components).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 06, 11:44 PM

"JohnH" > wrote:

>Grumman-581 wrote:
>> "Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> It helps that I own a company that builds
>>> titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.
>>
>> I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in
>> China... I was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking
>> for a new bike for my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were
>> either made in China or Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the
>> USA anymore?
>
>Frames cost $8 to make in China...
>
>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/b08b8267edb1a91f/9647a63355fc8c86
>
>My bikes (Giant) use Chinese frames and they really are very durable.

They really are quite good for the price - not too nice aesthetically
(and I'm pretty certain I wouldn't fly an aircraft built in the same
way...), but a heck of a deal for an aluminum frame. FWIW, the frames
I buy cost MANY times more than $8. Many, many times.

>Imagine if extrapolated into the aircraft market....

Easy - all you gotta do is order a few hundred thousand of 'em....

Mark Hickey

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 06, 11:45 PM

Jose > wrote:

>> I'm pretty evangelistic about bike commuting too
>
>... of course you arrive at work all sweaty.

Not a problem if there are showers at your place of work. Besides,
where I've done it (Florida and Arizona) you get all sweaty just
walking across the parking lot (not to mention actually getting into a
four-wheel sauna after work).

Mark Hickey

Jay Beckman

January 3rd 06, 12:20 AM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> Jose > wrote:
>
>>> I'm pretty evangelistic about bike commuting too
>>
>>... of course you arrive at work all sweaty.
>
> Not a problem if there are showers at your place of work. Besides,
> where I've done it (Florida and Arizona) you get all sweaty just
> walking across the parking lot (not to mention actually getting into a
> four-wheel sauna after work).
>
> Mark Hickey

Big difference between Florida and Arizona...

I can take 100 all day in Arizona but put me in Florida at anything over
about 75 degrees (with that humidity...) and I'm miserable in about 10
minutes. I don't even care for Michigan summers anymore (been in the desert
since '97)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

.Blueskies.

January 3rd 06, 12:22 AM

The next question will be "Doesn't *anyone* make a car in the USA anymore?"

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message ...
> "Grumman-581" > wrote:
>
>>"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
>>> It helps that I own a company that builds
>>> titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.
>>
>>I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in China... I
>>was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike for
>>my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China or
>>Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?
>
> Not too many make frames in the USA any longer - there are some
> "artisan shops" that turn out relatively expensive frames, often with
> aesthetic touches that can't be found on most "production frames"...
> but the cost of labor, and probably equally important - the cost of
> meeting environmental restrictions when welding and painting - have
> driven most production overseas.
>
> I happened to get into the business with the Chinese because I lived
> in China for a couple years, and was introduced to a group of
> aerospace fabricators who had been spun off the Long March rocket
> booster program. I was very much impressed with the welders' art
> (which is obvious on a single-pass TIG weld), and have been bringing
> in the frames and selling them worldwide for over 10 years.
>
> The built bikes are assembled in the US though (although there are
> almost no viable US-sourced components).
>
> Mark Hickey
> Habanero Cycles
> http://www.habcycles.com

.Blueskies.

January 3rd 06, 12:28 AM

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message ...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:9MZtf.453032$084.446405@attbi_s22...
>>
>> Any idea how can I find out the location of my closest fruit wholesaler?
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>
> Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check their
> area, let me know.
> Jim
>
>
>

I'm curious also. Zip 49001

blueskies at ameritech.net

Thanks!

Margy

January 3rd 06, 01:03 AM

JohnH

January 3rd 06, 02:42 AM

Jim Burns wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:9MZtf.453032$084.446405@attbi_s22...
>>
>> Any idea how can I find out the location of my closest fruit
>> wholesaler? --
>> Jay Honeck
>
> Absolutely. Check your email. If anyone else would like me to check
> their area, let me know.
> Jim

If you can look up 23235 I'd appreciate it...

Cy Galley

January 3rd 06, 03:51 AM

Yes but Ron is into running BIG TIME.

"Margy" > wrote in message
...
> Montblack wrote:
>> (Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
>> (Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>>
>> Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it
>> in the past, want to share your story?
>>
>>
>> Montblack
>> If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
>> (Mmm... strawberries)
> Weigh****chers, go to the meetings, follow the plan, eat good food, but
> pay attention to what you eat. I lost 20 Ron lost 50.
>
> Margy

Jay Honeck

January 3rd 06, 05:09 AM

> Not too many make frames in the USA any longer - there are some
> "artisan shops" that turn out relatively expensive frames, often with
> aesthetic touches that can't be found on most "production frames"...
> but the cost of labor, and probably equally important - the cost of
> meeting environmental restrictions when welding and painting - have
> driven most production overseas.

Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
for pilots?

It seems like all the ones I've seen are either (a) way over-priced or (b)
junk. And in at least one case, both.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Cy Galley

January 3rd 06, 10:25 AM

Trek still makes US frames as does Waterford. You can go to Waterford and
they make a frame to fit you. One of our bike club members is in line for a
titanium Waterford proto type. When you talk Waterford you are not talking
Wal-Mart as they can be up to $10,000 for each custom bike.

--
Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Darrel Toepfer wrote:
>> Grumman-581 wrote:
>>
>>> I checked out your website and saw that your frames are made in China...
>>> I
>>> was over at the bike shop a couple of weeks ago looking for a new bike
>>> for
>>> my daughter and noticed that *all* the bikes were either made in China
>>> or
>>> Taiwan... Doesn't *anyone* make a bike in the USA anymore?
>>
>>
>> One guy builds frames here in Louisiana. Its for the xtreme sports people
>> who do stunts and dirt racing. Used to build them here @4R7 and then
>> moved his operation to Baton Rouge...
>
> There's a man near me who makes his frames in his own shop using, get
> this, no power tools! He has a peddle operated grinder and other man
> powered tools that he uses. Of course, many of his components are
> imported as I don't think there are any US makers of brakes, derailleurs,
> etc.
>
> Check it out at: http://www.oswaldcycleworks.com/
>
> I bought a couple of Fuji bikes there two years ago and Tom was a great
> guy to deal with.
>
> Matt

Mark Hickey

January 3rd 06, 12:38 PM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>> Not too many make frames in the USA any longer - there are some
>> "artisan shops" that turn out relatively expensive frames, often with
>> aesthetic touches that can't be found on most "production frames"...
>> but the cost of labor, and probably equally important - the cost of
>> meeting environmental restrictions when welding and painting - have
>> driven most production overseas.
>
>Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>for pilots?
>
>It seems like all the ones I've seen are either (a) way over-priced or (b)
>junk. And in at least one case, both.

I've thought about it many times, but haven't moved forward on it
(yet). A folding titanium bike would be a very, very narrow niche
market and the set-up costs for building the frames would be pretty
high (which would of course put the bike in the "way over-priced"
category - at least from most folk's perspective.

I've thought about doing a "mini-frame version" - something that would
look a lot like a BMX bike with a really long stem and seat post,
putting the rider in a legitimate "adult position", but that would
break down to a much smaller package than a regular road bike or
mountain bike.

Mark Hickey

Jay Honeck

January 3rd 06, 01:38 PM

>>Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>>for pilots?

> I've thought about it many times, but haven't moved forward on it
> (yet). A folding titanium bike would be a very, very narrow niche
> market

It's not just for pilots. I've often thought that the bike manufacturers
have under-estimated the size of the folding bike market.

As with LED spotlights, battery powered air compressors, and those
"instant-jump-start" thingies, when a product becomes affordable, it
suddenly becomes a "necessity" -- and the market simply explodes.

Every one of the items I mentioned above were unaffordable -- or
unavailable -- just a few years ago. Now, they have become "standard
equipment" in each of my cars.

If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could become the
next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not just pilots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

John

January 3rd 06, 02:24 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>>>for pilots?
>
>> I've thought about it many times, but haven't moved forward on it
>> (yet). A folding titanium bike would be a very, very narrow niche
>> market
>
> It's not just for pilots. I've often thought that the bike manufacturers
> have under-estimated the size of the folding bike market.
>
I'm thinking about getting the Hummer, have about 4 or 5 versions,
supposedly originally made for the military and they don't cut the frame
for the 'fold' which is a big plus. starting price around $500 which if
you've priced any quality bikes lately is not out of line. It has front
suspension and front disk brake with rear caliber brake. folds to 3x2x1
foot.
It's a mountain bike although if you like you could put street tires on it
for a more comfy ride on the roads. I want it for both aviation and also I
do course certification for Running type road races and would like
something a little more convienient than my current bike.
John

This is there lowerend street/limited off road $449
no front suspension/no disk brake
Montague CX Comfort Bike
Full-size comfort bike for cruising city streets and boardwalks with 26"
standard wheels.
Folds to 36" x 28" x 12" in under thirty seconds without the use of tools.
Compact size allows for convenient storage in a car trunk, boat, closet, or
private plane.
Limited lifetime warranty on frame.
Uses extra cushioned saddle with suspension seat post, upright, rise
handlebars with an adjustable stem, and wide semi-slick tires that offer a
smooth ride on paved roads but have a grip on light off-road terrain.
Equipped with industry standard wheels and components serviceable at any
bike shop.

There medium model $549
Montague MX Mountain Bike
Frame: All Aluminum 7005 Front & Rear Triangle
Fork: RST 281 Suspension
Color: Brushed Aluminum
Shifters: Grip Shift
Drivetrain: 24-Speed Shimano® Alivio
Brakes: Alloy V-Brakes
Tires: 1.95" Front/Rear Specific Knobby
Spokes/Rims: Stainlees Steel/Alloy
Saddle: Velo Mountain Bike
Seat Post: Ally Micro Adjust
Frame Sizes: 18", 20.0"
Folded Size: 36" x 28" x12"

http://treadmillscentral.com/images/products/155_1100895065.jpg

Smitty Two

January 3rd 06, 02:55 PM

In article <l7vuf.457213$084.371904@attbi_s22>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> It's not just for pilots. I've often thought that the bike manufacturers
> have under-estimated the size of the folding bike market.
>
> As with LED spotlights, battery powered air compressors, and those
> "instant-jump-start" thingies, when a product becomes affordable, it
> suddenly becomes a "necessity" -- and the market simply explodes.
>
> Every one of the items I mentioned above were unaffordable -- or
> unavailable -- just a few years ago. Now, they have become "standard
> equipment" in each of my cars.
>
> If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
> stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could become the
> next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not just pilots.

It's a romantic notion, but I don't think it's true. Most of us are
pretty lazy. I've got a friend who's 6' 5" of solid muscle, and he calls
AAA when he gets a flat tire. People don't want to put a bicycle
together and ride it down the freeway to get home. That's what cell
phones are for.

There was an article in a flying rag several years back (might have been
AOPA Pilot) that was about being prepared to spend a few days in the
wilderness in the event of an off-airport forced landing. It said "The
Southern California pilot's idea of an emergency kit is two dimes for a
pay phone."

Your self-reliant attitude is commendable, but, IMO, it's one that isn't
widely shared, unfortunately.

(I hope your cars are also stocked with food and water, clothing,
blankets, a tire patch kit, at least a couple of hundred dollars in
cash, a good knife, maybe a small caliber rifle, matches, a Boy Scout
Handbook, and a full tank of gas. You never know where you'll be when
the next natural or man-made disaster will come along.)

Other than the folding bike, I'm planning to start getting prepared
tomorrow, or Friday at the latest.

Montblack

January 3rd 06, 04:47 PM

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
> for pilots?

Folding bike? How about a titanium 'tube and fabric' airplane project? -
after hours, of course.

With the weight saving in titanium frame construction they could now drop in
a small liquid cooled diesel... <g>

Montblack

Mark Hickey

January 3rd 06, 05:17 PM

"Montblack" > wrote:

>("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>> for pilots?
>
>Folding bike? How about a titanium 'tube and fabric' airplane project? -
>after hours, of course.

I thought about that too... once. Until I started adding up the cost
of the tubes involved and then considered that most people probably
wouldn't want to spend "certified prices" for a box of parts that will
become a kit with hundreds/thousands of hours of exta labor.

I would look cool though...

>With the weight saving in titanium frame construction they could now drop in
>a small liquid cooled diesel... <g>

It probably wouldn't be any lighter than an aluminum frame, though it
would have other advantages (wouldn't need paint, would have a far
superior fatigue life, though that's not a big issue with aluminum
based on the last half-century of anecdotal evidence). And by the
time you paid for the titanium tubes, you might be back to VW power.

Mark Hickey

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
...
> The built bikes are assembled in the US though (although there are
> almost no viable US-sourced components).

Yeah, it seems that even if you do get a frame that is made in the US, the
various other components probably aren't made there... I'm not sure what
this says about us, but I don't think I like it... Hell, I still ride an old
(i.e. mid 1980s) Schwinn Sprint from back when they were made in the US...
I'm not sure if all the parts were made in the US though...

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

".Blueskies." > wrote in message
t...
> The next question will be "Doesn't *anyone* make a car in the USA
anymore?"

Nawh... "Which is more patriotic, buying a Toyota made in the US or a Dodge
made in Mexico?"

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:iGnuf.675740$_o.546962@attbi_s71...
> Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
> for pilots?
>
> It seems like all the ones I've seen are either (a) way over-priced or (b)
> junk. And in at least one case, both.

I was at Sam's the other day and noticed that they had one of the Montague
Hummer folding bikes for less than $300... The Montagues advertised
elsewhere were at least twice that price... Not sure how good they are
though -- never had a chance to ride one...

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:l7vuf.457213$084.371904@attbi_s22...
> If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
> stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could become
the
> next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not just pilots.

Of course, you would need to replace the tires with the air-free urethane
tires so that when you need it, it wouldn't have a flat... You would have to
get the size down though... Current folding bikes are still to bulky for
most people to want to carry around with them all the time...

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
...
> It's a romantic notion, but I don't think it's true. Most of us are
> pretty lazy. I've got a friend who's 6' 5" of solid muscle, and he calls
> AAA when he gets a flat tire. People don't want to put a bicycle
> together and ride it down the freeway to get home. That's what cell
> phones are for.

It's never made sense to me to wait a hour or more for AAA to show up when I
could change the flat myself in 5-10 minutes... Of course, I also keep a 2
liter bottle of water and some Lava brand soap in my car to clean my hands
afterwards....

Grumman-581

January 3rd 06, 07:34 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> It probably wouldn't be any lighter than an aluminum frame, though it
> would have other advantages (wouldn't need paint, would have a far
> superior fatigue life, though that's not a big issue with aluminum
> based on the last half-century of anecdotal evidence). And by the
> time you paid for the titanium tubes, you might be back to VW power.

Anyone for a wooden bicycle?
http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/images/bici-di-legno3.jpg
http://www.ottavia.com/bike_catalog.html

Gig 601XL Builder

January 3rd 06, 08:57 PM

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...

> It's never made sense to me to wait a hour or more for AAA to show up when
> I
> could change the flat myself in 5-10 minutes... Of course, I also keep a 2
> liter bottle of water and some Lava brand soap in my car to clean my hands
> afterwards....
>
>

I've got Allstate's Auto Club Coverage and I've had to call them the last
time I had a flat not because I couldn't change the tire myself but because
there in no place large enough to put the removed tire in my Honda S2000.

Mark Hickey

January 3rd 06, 09:58 PM

"Grumman-581" > wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>news:iGnuf.675740$_o.546962@attbi_s71...
>> Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>> for pilots?
>>
>> It seems like all the ones I've seen are either (a) way over-priced or (b)
>> junk. And in at least one case, both.
>
>I was at Sam's the other day and noticed that they had one of the Montague
>Hummer folding bikes for less than $300... The Montagues advertised
>elsewhere were at least twice that price... Not sure how good they are
>though -- never had a chance to ride one...

I'm really not into talking down competitors' products, but the Hummer
bike is pretty marginal for those who'd actually plan to ride it any
distance. There are better folders out there, though they cost quite
a bit more (that inescapable law of physics / economy).

A couple options:

www.bikefriday.com
www.dahon.com

One of the problems with folders is that there might be a considerable
amount of rigging to get 'em ready to roll. For those of you who
regularly attach wings, that's not going to seem like an
insurmountable obstacle.

Mark "non-folding" Hickey

Drew Dalgleish

January 3rd 06, 10:40 PM

>This is going to drive (no pun intended) my choice of aircraft some
>day - I need a relatively fast 2-seater with enough room behind the
>seats for a couple bikes and luggage. It helps that I own a company
>that builds titanium bikes - less impact on W&B.
>
>>now bikes AND camping gear get a little too heavy on hot summer days...
>
>Suddenly the Murphy Moose looks better...
>
>Mark Hickey
>
Depending how fast you want a murphy elite might do it for ya as well.
I can fit 2 road bikes and luggage in my rebel quite easily but my
rebel is only fast when compared to a bike :)

Margy

January 4th 06, 12:57 AM

Yeah, but he's been running for years. He is thrilled that losing 50
lbs. has really improved his marathon time. He's also terrible about
running unless he's registered for a race so he usually runs one in the
spring and one in the fall. This year he's running 4 in the spring
(Phonix in two weeks!).

Margy

Cy Galley wrote:
> Yes but Ron is into running BIG TIME.
>
> "Margy" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Montblack wrote:
>>
>>>(Necessary Aviation Content: Weight)
>>>(Necessary Aviation Content - Part Deux: Piper entrance and egress)
>>>
>>>Anyone looking to shed 'a few' pounds this year? If you've succeeded it
>>>in the past, want to share your story?
>>>
>>>
>>>Montblack
>>>If food is my cocaine, I'm the Darryl Strawberry of weight loss plans.
>>>(Mmm... strawberries)
>>
>>Weigh****chers, go to the meetings, follow the plan, eat good food, but
>>pay attention to what you eat. I lost 20 Ron lost 50.
>>
>>Margy
>
>
>

.Blueskies.

January 4th 06, 12:58 AM

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message ...
> ".Blueskies." > wrote in message
> t...
>> The next question will be "Doesn't *anyone* make a car in the USA
> anymore?"
>
> Nawh... "Which is more patriotic, buying a Toyota made in the US or a Dodge
> made in Mexico?"
>
>

A Chevy built in Canada...

Flyingmonk

January 4th 06, 01:02 AM

Mark wrote:
>A couple options:

>www.bikefriday.com
>www.dahon.com

I have had my Dahon for a while, still love it but might get me a
Hummer or a Montage because my daughters are embarassed to ride along
side daddy on a Dahon. To them it looks like a kiddie bike. :^)

The Monk

Margy

January 4th 06, 01:02 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>Hey Mark -- does your company make a decent (and affordable) folding bike
>>>for pilots?
>
>
>>I've thought about it many times, but haven't moved forward on it
>>(yet). A folding titanium bike would be a very, very narrow niche
>>market
>
>
> It's not just for pilots. I've often thought that the bike manufacturers
> have under-estimated the size of the folding bike market.
>
> As with LED spotlights, battery powered air compressors, and those
> "instant-jump-start" thingies, when a product becomes affordable, it
> suddenly becomes a "necessity" -- and the market simply explodes.
>
> Every one of the items I mentioned above were unaffordable -- or
> unavailable -- just a few years ago. Now, they have become "standard
> equipment" in each of my cars.
>
> If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
> stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could become the
> next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not just pilots.
I think marketing is really needed here. How about, "To far from the
(Metro, Subway, Bus) to commute, but hate driving in to the city"?
"Tired of paying high parking fees?" "Zip along in our NEW folding bike.
This bike folds down and fits into this simple, carry-on bag ..."

Now we have a market!

Margy

Morgans

January 4th 06, 01:47 AM

"Margy" > wrote

> How about, "To far from the (Metro, Subway, Bus) to commute, but hate
> driving in to the city"? "Tired of paying high parking fees?" "Zip along
> in our NEW folding bike. This bike folds down and fits into this simple,
> carry-on bag ..."
>
> Now we have a market!

There you go! Sounds like you could make yourself "indispensable" in an
advertising company.

Are you branching out? <g>
--
Jim in NC

Sylvain

January 4th 06, 01:55 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:

> If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
> stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could become the
> next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not just pilots.

agreed; what I have been looking for for a while now
is actually a road worthy, i.e., street legal, not
toys, foldable scooter (I have bad legs, I need an
engine), not only when flying, but something I could
have in the truck of the car at all time (again, can't
walk far, and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere,
where Murphy's law demands lack of cell phone coverage,
is something I kindof dread);

The one thing I found so far that would fit the bill quite
nicely, except may be for its 50cc which seems a bit weak,
especially since it would not be considered a mopped in
California anyway, is the Italian built Di Blasi:

http://www.diblasi.it/Folding_Scooters.asp?Prd=R7&Pag=Prodotto&Lng=En

The snag is though that they are not cheap by a long shot -- note:
I am not connected to this company in any way, just wish I could be
as a customer :-))

anyone out there knows this bike, i.e., has actually tried it?

--Sylvain

Margy

January 4th 06, 02:54 AM

Sylvain wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> If marketed as a convenience, or even as a safety device ("Never get
>> stranded again!") I believe that an affordable folding bike could
>> become the next "gotta have" thing for the general population -- not
>> just pilots.
>
>
> agreed; what I have been looking for for a while now
> is actually a road worthy, i.e., street legal, not
> toys, foldable scooter (I have bad legs, I need an
> engine), not only when flying, but something I could
> have in the truck of the car at all time (again, can't
> walk far, and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere,
> where Murphy's law demands lack of cell phone coverage,
> is something I kindof dread);
>
> The one thing I found so far that would fit the bill quite
> nicely, except may be for its 50cc which seems a bit weak,
> especially since it would not be considered a mopped in
> California anyway, is the Italian built Di Blasi:
>
> http://www.diblasi.it/Folding_Scooters.asp?Prd=R7&Pag=Prodotto&Lng=En
>
> The snag is though that they are not cheap by a long shot -- note:
> I am not connected to this company in any way, just wish I could be
> as a customer :-))
>
> anyone out there knows this bike, i.e., has actually tried it?
>
> --Sylvain
We have a pair of them (both fit on the backseat of the Navion quite
well). Ron does really well with his, I crashed mine the first day I
had it and had to wear an ankle to upper thigh brace for a week or so
and still have the remnants of Fox Mill Road stuck in my chin. I'm not
as much of a fan. I really liked it until I crashed :-). The wheels
are tiny, don't twist around too much or it goes over. Wear a helmet!
We used them in Georgia when we were at a week long fly in and they were
great (small roads, etc.). Driving during OSH on the main roads gives
me the creeps but Ron can zip around no problem. Yes, I am a wimp!

Margy

Flyingmonk

January 4th 06, 03:12 AM

Margy wrote:
>Ron does really well with his, I crashed mine the first day I
>had it and had to wear an ankle to upper thigh brace for a week or so
>and still have the remnants of Fox Mill Road stuck in my chin.

Dang Margy! Fox Mill Rd? You are only a stone throw from me. You
must be in Herndon/Reston area. Are you using your DiBlasi at all? I
might want to take it off your hands for a reasonable price. :^)

The Monk

JohnH

January 4th 06, 03:19 AM

> Hummer or a Montage because my daughters are embarassed to ride along
> side daddy on a Dahon. To them it looks like a kiddie bike. :^)

Before we had 2 folding bikes, I borrowed a friend's Dahon and we took it
and a Go-ped (gas powered) in a 172 to First Flight NC. We agreed I'd ride
the go-ped and she'd ride the bike to the beach, and we'd switch on the way
back.

On the way, a woman sees us ride by and yells "Typical man! Making the woman
do all the work!"

We still laugh about it with great regularity...

George Patterson

January 4th 06, 04:05 AM

Morgans wrote:

> There you go! Sounds like you could make yourself "indispensable" in an
> advertising company.

Well, first, you've got to find a bike that folds up into something the size of
a carryon bag. I've not seen one. Try taking a Montague into NYC on a rush hour
New Jersey Transit train. Let me know how it works out.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Flyingmonk

January 4th 06, 04:12 AM

Are we still talking portable vehicles? How 'bout this one?

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/suitcasecar/redcase-open.jpg

George Patterson

January 4th 06, 04:20 AM

Flyingmonk wrote:
> Are we still talking portable vehicles? How 'bout this one?
>
> http://www.roadraceengineering.com/suitcasecar/redcase-open.jpg

I thought we were still talking bicycles, but you could haul that into the city
without getting too many glares.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Flyingmonk

January 4th 06, 04:23 AM

Here's another view and different color.

http://www.3wheelers.com/mazda.html

My brother is a transit cop (MetroTransit). He saids because of the
fuel, it will be banned from the subway. :^(

The Monk

Morgans

January 4th 06, 04:40 AM

"George Patterson" > wrote

> Well, first, you've got to find a bike that folds up into something the
> size of a carryon bag. I've not seen one. Try taking a Montague into NYC
> on a rush hour New Jersey Transit train. Let me know how it works out.

All you have to do is let the air out of the tires, right? <g>
--
Jim in NC

Morgans

January 4th 06, 04:50 AM

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Here's another view and different color.
>
> http://www.3wheelers.com/mazda.html
>
> My brother is a transit cop (MetroTransit). He saids because of the
> fuel, it will be banned from the subway. :^(

You could do an electric version, though.

That sounds like an interesting project.

I seem to recall a suitcase scooter, where the wheels popped out of the
bottom, and a seat and handlebars folded up, from inside. Anyone remember
that one?
--
Jim in NC

Flyingmonk

January 4th 06, 05:09 AM

Here's even more pictures, disasembled even :^)

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/suitcasecar.htm

Haven't heard of the suitcase scooter Jim.

The Monk

Morgans

January 4th 06, 05:13 AM

"JohnH" > wrote

> We agreed I'd ride the go-ped and she'd ride the bike to the beach, and
> we'd switch on the way back.
>
> On the way, a woman sees us ride by and yells "Typical man! Making the
> woman do all the work!"

What you needed was a 15 foot piece of rope, to tow the bike rider!
--
Jim in NC

Grumman-581

January 4th 06, 08:54 AM

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...
> I have had my Dahon for a while, still love it but might get me a
> Hummer or a Montage because my daughters are embarassed to ride along
> side daddy on a Dahon. To them it looks like a kiddie bike. :^)

I guess I would have to agree with them on that one... I would have to be
pretty desperate to ride one of them... The Montague Hummer model looks like
something that you wouldn't have to get used to people snickering about...
When I fold the rear seats down in my Grumman, I can put 2 full size bikes
in there as long as I remove the front wheels... A quality folding one would
be nice, but it's not a high priority to me right now...

Grumman-581

January 4th 06, 08:54 AM

"BTIZ" wrote in message news:zdItf.3543$V.3162@fed1read04...
> It's 15 miles one way of inner city traffic and interstate... not a good
> commute for biking..

Ahh, but after you have been run over by the soccer mom driving her Suburban
while talking on her cell phone and putting on makeup, you'll loose so much
weight while you are recuperating at the hospital and they are just feeding
you glucose via an IV...

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

January 4th 06, 11:45 AM

Flyingmonk wrote:
> Here's another view and different color.
>
> http://www.3wheelers.com/mazda.html
>
> My brother is a transit cop (MetroTransit). He saids because of the
> fuel, it will be banned from the subway. :^(
>
> The Monk
>

You guys are thinking way too high tech. My son recommends a skateboard.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Jim Macklin

January 4th 06, 12:01 PM

Tom McQuinn

January 4th 06, 01:48 PM

Margy wrote:
> Sylvain wrote:
>
>>
>> agreed; what I have been looking for for a while now
>> is actually a road worthy, i.e., street legal, not
>> toys, foldable scooter (I have bad legs, I need an
>> engine), not only when flying, but something I could
>> have in the truck of the car at all time (again, can't
>> walk far, and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere,
>> where Murphy's law demands lack of cell phone coverage,
>> is something I kindof dread);
>>
>> The one thing I found so far that would fit the bill quite
>> nicely, except may be for its 50cc which seems a bit weak,
>> especially since it would not be considered a mopped in
>> California anyway, is the Italian built Di Blasi:
>>
>> http://www.diblasi.it/Folding_Scooters.asp?Prd=R7&Pag=Prodotto&Lng=En
>>
>> The snag is though that they are not cheap by a long shot -- note:
>> I am not connected to this company in any way, just wish I could be
>> as a customer :-))
>>
>> anyone out there knows this bike, i.e., has actually tried it?
>>
>> --Sylvain
>
> We have a pair of them (both fit on the backseat of the Navion quite
> well). Ron does really well with his, I crashed mine the first day I
> had it and had to wear an ankle to upper thigh brace for a week or so
> and still have the remnants of Fox Mill Road stuck in my chin. I'm not
> as much of a fan. I really liked it until I crashed :-). The wheels
> are tiny, don't twist around too much or it goes over. Wear a helmet!
> We used them in Georgia when we were at a week long fly in and they were
> great (small roads, etc.). Driving during OSH on the main roads gives
> me the creeps but Ron can zip around no problem. Yes, I am a wimp!
>
> Margy

I have one too. It doesn't qualify as a motorcycle in Ohio either.
Mine is now licensed as a motorcycle. I'm thinking of riding it to a
custom chopper show so I can be the envy of all!

It will fit through the baggage door of my Archer but it takes nerves of
steel to ride it on the street. 30 mph is how fast they drive over
speed bumps around here, not that the speed bumps are noticed when the
occupant is driving 4 tons of SUV while talking on a cell phone.
However, I am thinking about shipping it to OSH this summer. That's
when I long for it.

Tom McQuinn

Jay Honeck

January 4th 06, 03:11 PM

> Your self-reliant attitude is commendable, but, IMO, it's one that isn't
> widely shared, unfortunately.

Anyone who lives in the upper Midwest generally carries "survival gear" in
their cars. Those who don't have clearly never been stuck in a snow drift.

(Of course, a folding bike wouldn't be of much use at this time of year!)

Personally, I wouldn't use a folding bike (or think of it) as "survival
gear", but rather as just another fun option to have while motoring. There
have been plenty of times that I've been in a state park where I thought
"wouldn't it be nice to have a bike"...

If Mark could build one for around $100 bucks, I'd buy several. And I
know a lot of other people who would, too.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 4th 06, 03:13 PM

> Anyone for a wooden bicycle?
> http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/images/bici-di-legno3.jpg
> http://www.ottavia.com/bike_catalog.html

That is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 4th 06, 03:21 PM

> You guys are thinking way too high tech. My son recommends a skateboard.

Those things are dangerous, and lots of work. Those little
skateboard/scooters (with handle bars) are better -- and better than
walking -- but they're still too much like work, too.

We always see the annoying gas-powered versions of those things at OSH.
I've never yet seen anyone kill themselves on them, yet, but I always watch
anyway...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Montblack

January 4th 06, 04:08 PM

("Flyingmonk" wrote)
> http://www.roadraceengineering.com/suitcasecar.htm
>
> Haven't heard of the suitcase scooter Jim.

After some assembly, you ended up riding on top of the closed suitcase. Cool
idea. Gas powered, IIRC.

Montblack

Frank Stutzman

January 4th 06, 05:33 PM

In rec.aviation.homebuilt Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired > wrote:

> You guys are thinking way too high tech. My son recommends a skateboard.

Indeed.

I always though that I needed a folding bike for the plane. Then I
realized that the roller blades languishing in the closet weighed a lot
less, were more compact, were easier to get in and out of the plane, and
required less maintenance than a bike. Add a backpack to it and you can
carry almost the same amount of stuff.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

George Patterson

January 4th 06, 05:36 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

> That is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Definitely a candidate for the UMGOMS award. Probably wouldn't have won, though.
The winner cost a lot more.
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/news_columnists/article/0,1406,KNS_359_4323957,00.html

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Robert M. Gary

January 4th 06, 06:33 PM

The meat part is interesting. I guess this is the ongoing debate. I'm
not sure how the biology works (whether our bodys are better off eating
fruit or meat as the current debate argues). However, I will say that
after eating a 10oz lean steak I am done, and have no desire to eat for
at least 10 hours. If I eat turkey or fruit (of about the same cals)
I'm ready to eat again in an hour. Maybe there is something to the meat
diet thing??

-Robert

Montblack

January 4th 06, 08:42 PM

("George Patterson" wrote)
> Definitely a candidate for the UMGOMS award. Probably wouldn't have won,
> though. The winner cost a lot more.
> http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/news_columnists/article/0,1406,KNS_359_4323957,00.html

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Grumman-581

January 4th 06, 09:11 PM

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:KyOuf.73096$sg5.9349@dukeread12...
> You guys are thinking way too high tech. My son recommends a skateboard.

I've seen motorized ones of those also... I seem to also remember seeing an
add for a motorized rollerblade type device...

Grumman-581

January 4th 06, 09:11 PM

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:SITuf.6463$tJ1.645@trndny01...
> Definitely a candidate for the UMGOMS award. Probably wouldn't have won,
though.
> The winner cost a lot more.
>
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/news_columnists/article/0,1406,KNS_359_4323957,00.html

That site requires registration... (Disabling JavaScript doesn't get around
it though)...

Morgans

January 4th 06, 09:39 PM

"Montblack" > wrote
>
> After some assembly, you ended up riding on top of the closed suitcase.
> Cool
> idea. Gas powered, IIRC.

So you do remember seeing it? I'm hopeful I was not hallucinating. (again)
<g>
--
Jim in NC

Mark Hickey

January 4th 06, 10:52 PM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>We always see the annoying gas-powered versions of those things at OSH.
>I've never yet seen anyone kill themselves on them, yet, but I always watch
>anyway...

I regularly do some pretty stupid things on mountain bikes (scars to
show for it) but wouldn't be tempted to actually use one of the
motorized scooters (aka "gopeds") for transportation.

The front wheel is small enough that even a small obstacle can cause
an endo, and the geometry is usually such that there's little or no
trail in the front end geometry (trail is what makes the rear wheels
in a shopping cart and the front wheel on a bike tend toward inherent
stability). Without that, the front wheel will want to take off one
direction or the other at the slightest input.

There's no reason there couldn't be a "safer goped" design, with a
front wheel in the 12-14" range, and inherently stable geometry (draw
a line through the steering axis, and if the wheel's contact point
with the ground is behind the axis, it's stable).

Mark "brave but not stupid" Hickey
Former wife would disagree

Morgans

January 4th 06, 10:53 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote

> (draw
> a line through the steering axis, and if the wheel's contact point
> with the ground is behind the axis, it's stable).

A bike is not in agreement with your statement. Yet it is stable. Any idea
as to why?
--
Jim in NC

Flyingmonk

January 5th 06, 01:12 AM

Montblack wrote:
>After some assembly, you ended up riding on top of the closed >suitcase. Cool idea. Gas powered, IIRC.

I can picture it. That would be cool...

The Monk

Montblack

January 5th 06, 01:31 AM

("Flyingmonk" wrote)
>>After some assembly, you ended up riding on top of the closed suitcase.
>>Cool idea. Gas powered, IIRC.

> I can picture it. That would be cool...

On top of the 'upright' closed suitcase - you're essentially sitting on the
handle. Like riding a miniature horse - with wheels.

Montblack

Mark Hickey

January 5th 06, 02:05 AM

"Morgans" > wrote:

>"Mark Hickey" > wrote
>
>> (draw
>> a line through the steering axis, and if the wheel's contact point
>> with the ground is behind the axis, it's stable).
>
>A bike is not in agreement with your statement. Yet it is stable. Any idea
>as to why?

Actually, it is... the steering axis is canted (usually by 16-18
degrees). Remember what matters is the relationship between the
steering axis (a line drawn through the center of the head tube, or
fork's "steer tube"), and the point the front wheel touches the ground
(not where the steering axis crosses the wheel, which is ahead of the
steering axis line). Don't get misled by the centerline of the fork's
blades, which can be canted to the front, putting the axle ahead of
the steering axis - it's the contact patch that counts.

It's a lot easier to visualize if you're looking at a bike - the
steering axis line passes clearly ahead of the front tire's contact
patch (by 2.5 - 3" on most bikes). In effect, this produces the same
kind of results that a shopping cart's rear wheels does - the front
wheel wants to "trail" behind the steering axis. It can also get you
in trouble when you hit a very steep bump or get the rear wheel up in
the air a bit (since the contact patch can end up ahead of the
steering axis, and can take the bars out of the rider's hands if
he/she isn't paying attention).

Mark "and I always hate it when that happens" Hickey

Morgans

January 5th 06, 02:56 AM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote

> Don't get misled by the centerline of the fork's
> blades, which can be canted to the front, putting the axle ahead of
> the steering axis - it's the contact patch that counts.
>
Got it.
--
Jim in NC

Jay Honeck

January 5th 06, 04:16 AM

> The meat part is interesting. I guess this is the ongoing debate. I'm
> not sure how the biology works (whether our bodys are better off eating
> fruit or meat as the current debate argues). However, I will say that
> after eating a 10oz lean steak I am done, and have no desire to eat for
> at least 10 hours. If I eat turkey or fruit (of about the same cals)
> I'm ready to eat again in an hour. Maybe there is something to the meat
> diet thing??

Dunno. But after eating fruit for this long, a ten-ounce steak now gives me
terrific indigestion.

In fact, if I eat a lot of rich, fatty foods -- beef, pastries, whatever --
it will be a "3-Rolaid" night...

IMHO, that's my body telling me something important.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk

January 5th 06, 04:40 AM

Just curious Jay, how does this diet affect your energy level? I eat a
lot of fruite and vegetable, but I also eat a whole lot of meat and
grain also.

The Monk

JohnH

January 5th 06, 04:43 AM

> I regularly do some pretty stupid things on mountain bikes (scars to
> show for it) but wouldn't be tempted to actually use one of the
> motorized scooters (aka "gopeds") for transportation.

Maybe you should try one. I probably have several thousand miles on mine,
and it is by far the most convenient thing to carry as simple ground
transportation in a small plane. I've used it on all kinds of terrain and
it's no more prone to "endoing" than any bike I've ridden; the CG is way too
low to do that - you'd get thrown off the front if anything (which hasn't
happened to me).

Then again, "I ain't skerd" to ride anything. My favorite bike is the penny
farthing with a 4' front wheel. Now THAT thing will endo! ;)

Jay Honeck

January 5th 06, 05:24 AM

> Just curious Jay, how does this diet affect your energy level? I eat a
> lot of fruite and vegetable, but I also eat a whole lot of meat and
> grain also.

I eat all the fruit I want for breakfast and lunch. Apples, bananas, pears.
Throw in a low-fat yogurt, and some flavored rice cakes, and that's pretty
much my entire diet for the day...

....until dinner, when I eat what most people would consider an entirely
"normal" evening meal. It may contain meat, sour cream, beer -- pretty much
anything. Tonight it was a PB&J sandwich, bowl of beef vegetable soup, and
some chips, washed down with a Killian's Red. Yesterday it was a Hardee's
mushroom & Swiss burger with fries and a malt.

Although I would prefer to make lunch my "big" meal of the day, I've found
that the evening meal is more likely to be a social event, and people just
don't seem to understand when I whip out an apple at a dinner.

Re: Energy. My energy level has never been higher. In fact, when I fall
off this diet (as I did at Montblack's over T-Giving, and at my
sister-in-laws over Xmas), I feel sluggish and dim. Aside from the weight
loss and blood pressure correction, the main advantage of the fruit diet is
that I feel much sharper after eating fruit then I do after eating a big,
fatty meal.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Montblack

January 5th 06, 07:19 AM

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Re: Energy. My energy level has never been higher. In fact, when I fall
> off this diet (as I did at Montblack's over T-Giving, and at my
> sister-in-laws over Xmas), I feel sluggish and dim. Aside from the weight
> loss and blood pressure correction, the main advantage of the fruit diet
> is that I feel much sharper after eating fruit then I do after eating a
> big, fatty meal.

(MOA) Mall of America ....wait for the links

<http://www.mallofamerica.com/about_moa_tenant_profile_objectname_Johnny_Rockets _S370.aspx>
Ask for Monica ...and the onion rings ...and the shakes.

<http://www.mallofamerica.com/about_moa_tenant_profile_objectname_Healthy_Expres s_S126.aspx>
This one didn't make the cut that day. That's ok, we had turkey waiting back
home :-)

(Necessary Aviation Content)
<http://www.mallofamerica.com/about_moa_tenant_profile_objectname_ACES_Flight_Si mulation_E340.aspx>
Too spendy, in time and money. Give me 10 minutes for $10 and I might do
it - once. They wanted, maybe, $50 for 30 minutes.

Montblack
<Hope the links hold>

Mark Hickey

January 5th 06, 01:35 PM

"JohnH" > wrote:

>
>> I regularly do some pretty stupid things on mountain bikes (scars to
>> show for it) but wouldn't be tempted to actually use one of the
>> motorized scooters (aka "gopeds") for transportation.
>
>Maybe you should try one. I probably have several thousand miles on mine,
>and it is by far the most convenient thing to carry as simple ground
>transportation in a small plane. I've used it on all kinds of terrain and
>it's no more prone to "endoing" than any bike I've ridden; the CG is way too
>low to do that - you'd get thrown off the front if anything (which hasn't
>happened to me).

The COG of the scooter is really low - it's the fact that the COG of
the rider is about belt-height that bothers me - that and Newton's
insistence that an object in motion... ;-) Any obstacle that the
front wheel hits taller than halfway up or more to the axle is likely
to cause "bad things to happen". If there was some suspension it
would be a bit less likely to spontaneously separate the rider from
the vehicle.

>Then again, "I ain't skerd" to ride anything. My favorite bike is the penny
>farthing with a 4' front wheel. Now THAT thing will endo! ;)

And those things produce the mother of all endos (starting with your
head about 10 feet above mother earth). Never rode one, but would
love to some day.

Mark Hickey

JohnH

January 5th 06, 02:44 PM

> insistence that an object in motion... ;-) Any obstacle that the
> front wheel hits taller than halfway up or more to the axle is likely
> to cause "bad things to happen"

Which could really only happen if you weren't paying attention. Fortunately
they're somewhat self limiting on speed on rough surfaces - as in grinding
to a halt. ;)

>> Then again, "I ain't skerd" to ride anything. My favorite bike is
>> the penny farthing with a 4' front wheel. Now THAT thing will endo!
>> ;)
>
> And those things produce the mother of all endos (starting with your
> head about 10 feet above mother earth). Never rode one, but would
> love to some day.

One has to be especially careful descending hills; sufficient grade will
quickly put you ahead of CG and over you go - and as you say, it's a long
fall. It's no wonder the newer bicycle designs are called "safety bikes"!
But it's the most fun inanimate thing I ride. ;)

http://www.johnnyhouse.com/images/sayhi.jpg

Flyingmonk

January 5th 06, 03:55 PM

:^)

Flyingmonk

January 5th 06, 04:00 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
Re: Energy. My energy level has never been higher. In fact, when I
fall
off this diet (as I did at Montblack's over T-Giving, and at my
sister-in-laws over Xmas), I feel sluggish and dim. Aside from the
weight
loss and blood pressure correction, the main advantage of the fruit
diet is
that I feel much sharper after eating fruit then I do after eating a
big,
fatty meal.
>>

I gonna give your diet a try for a few weeks to see how much I loose
and if I like it or not. I'm hovering around 2 bucks right now and I
think I should be around a buck fifty. I'll let you know how it turns
out.

The Monk

Jay Honeck

January 5th 06, 04:34 PM

<http://www.mallofamerica.com/about_moa_tenant_profile_objectname_Johnny_Rockets _S370.aspx>
> Ask for Monica ...and the onion rings ...and the shakes.

Mmmmm....Monica. She was sweet, and so were those shakes!

4 pounds in 3 days, my friends. You would think that shopping in the Mall
of America would have burned off SOME of those extra calories...?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 5th 06, 04:38 PM

> I gonna give your diet a try for a few weeks to see how much I loose
> and if I like it or not. I'm hovering around 2 bucks right now and I
> think I should be around a buck fifty. I'll let you know how it turns
> out.

If you like good apples (Golden Delicious are the most consistent, IMHO)
it's hard NOT to like this diet.

Of course, after reading how spicy you like your food, this whole fruit
thing might be too bland for you...

;-)

(I was raised on bland German-American food. Dad thought pizza was "foreign
food", and spaghetti was downright subversive. I don't think he ever ate
Mexican, not even once, and Asian food of any kind was completely out of the
question.... Meat....potatoes....meat.....potatoes....ad infinitum...for
74 years...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk

January 5th 06, 04:49 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:
__________________________
(I was raised on bland German-American food. Dad thought pizza was
"foreign
food", and spaghetti was downright subversive. I don't think he ever
ate
Mexican, not even once, and Asian food of any kind was completely out
of the
question.... Meat....potatoes....meat.....potatoes....ad
infinitum...for
74 years...)
__________________________

My grandfather lived to the ripe old age, make that beyond ripe, of
104. He smoked from the age of 14 'til the day he pasted away. He
lived in the 19th, 20th and the 21th century eating everything and
anything :^) I hope it is in the genes :^)

who were you talking about above that's been eating for meat and
potatoe for 74 years?

The Monk

Montblack

January 5th 06, 06:10 PM

("Flyingmonk" wrote)
> I gonna give your diet a try for a few weeks to see how much I loose
> and if I like it or not. I'm hovering around 2 bucks right now and I
> think I should be around a buck fifty. I'll let you know how it turns
> out.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/burdas/fatbuddha.html
BigHappyBuddha.com <g>

Good luck with the diet.

Montblack

Grumman-581

January 5th 06, 09:07 PM

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
...
> Any obstacle that the front wheel hits taller than halfway
> up or more to the axle is likely to cause "bad things to
> happen".

When I was first starting out letting my dog run beside me on a leash while
riding my trail bike, I kept the leash in my right hand, wanting him to be
on that side of the bike... A couple of times, he would see something and
try to cross in front of me and I would slam on the brakes with my left
hand... Well, that was the front brake and as such, I quickly did an end
over, followed quickly by a near face plant, followed soon thereafter with
choice cuss words directed towards the stupid ass dog... Eventually, I
figured that the dog wasn't going to get any smarter, so I reversed the
brakes so that the left brake lever controls the rear brake... Kind of
difficult to do an end over when you are only putting on the rear brake...

Mark Hickey

January 5th 06, 10:32 PM

"Grumman-581" > wrote:

>When I was first starting out letting my dog run beside me on a leash while
>riding my trail bike, I kept the leash in my right hand, wanting him to be
>on that side of the bike... A couple of times, he would see something and
>try to cross in front of me and I would slam on the brakes with my left
>hand... Well, that was the front brake and as such, I quickly did an end
>over, followed quickly by a near face plant, followed soon thereafter with
>choice cuss words directed towards the stupid ass dog... Eventually, I
>figured that the dog wasn't going to get any smarter, so I reversed the
>brakes so that the left brake lever controls the rear brake... Kind of
>difficult to do an end over when you are only putting on the rear brake...

Some of us are doomed to repeat the same mistakes... ;-)

I remember running my girlfriend's Irish setter (like a lot of women -
beautiful, but not too bright) (the dog, not the girlfriend), using a
longish leash. I got a couple miles in before wearing the dog out,
and headed back to her house. There was a fairly big hill on the way,
and I decided to see what the terminal velocity of an Irish setter is.

This experiment was going well until my speed exceeded that of the dog
slightly. I let out a little more leash as I reached for the brakes.

Unfortunately, that's the moment the dog decided running on the RIGHT
side of the speed limit sign would be a great idea.

Imagine coasting down a hill at ~20mph on an old road bike with drop
bars, wearing gym shorts and a muscle shirt (no helmet - I was young
AND dumb), and then turning the bars hard to the right.

I went over the bars and managed to tuck and roll, and actually did a
handspring out, landing on my feet (and not a soul around to see it).
Fortunately my guardian angle was apparently on duty that day and I
only got a little biffed up. Slightly scraped, but wiser.

Mark Hickey

Morgans

January 5th 06, 11:04 PM

"Grumman-581" > wrote

> Well, that was the front brake and as such, I quickly did an end
> over, followed quickly by a near face plant, followed soon thereafter with
> choice cuss words directed towards the stupid ass dog...

You are not the only one to do a face plant because of a dog. My experience
was on pavement, at high speed, though.

I'll set up the picture... At the time, I was around 12 years old, and
rode my bike all over the place, in small town NW Ohio. On the way to one
of my friends house, there was a dog that was always out (German Shepard, I
think) and it always chase people on their bikes.

This house was on a hill (yeah, I know, a hill in NW Ohio? ) and a fairly
good sized one at that. I tried going slow, and kicking him away, using a
bike pump to bash at him, and then I figured I would outrun him. How'd that
work? Not too good!

I turned onto the road, and started pedaling as fast and as hard as
possible. I suppose I was gong 35 MPH or more, when the dog came out to
"greet me." The next events happened "real" fast, but I believe what
happened was the dog misjudged my speed and distance, and got out in front
of me, but *not* enough to avoid having me plant my front tire squarely in
his ribs.

It must have hurt, from the volume and amount of yelps he let out.
Fortunately for me, he also hurt enough that he went away to lick his
wounds, instead of messing with me. I was hurting from the impact with the
handlebars, then the impact with the road, then the tumbling and sliding
along the road. Fortunately, my wheel was round enough that it only rubbed
on my fender a little bit, (yeah, right, it almost didn't go around) and I
was able to ride the 2 or so miles home, to properly wash and dress my road
rash.

So, the moral of the story is, don't deal with dogs by using speed. Ammonia
in a squirt gun is better. <g>
--
Jim in NC

Flyingmonk

January 6th 06, 12:15 AM

Montblack wrote:
>http://shop.store.yahoo.com/burdas/fatbuddha.html
>BigHappyBuddha.com <g>

Hey...
:^)

Robert M. Gary

January 6th 06, 12:57 AM

As the saying goes.
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying
of nothing :)

-Robert

Jay Honeck

January 6th 06, 04:50 AM

> who were you talking about above that's been eating for meat and
> potatoe for 74 years?

That was my Dad. Ate, smoked and drank anything he wanted -- and it killed
him pretty "young" (by modern standards) at age 74.

But, he *did* avoid spending his last years curled in the fetal position, as
his mother sadly did not. She lived to 93, but spent her last several
years in a coma -- a fate my Dad was determined to avoid.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk

January 6th 06, 05:17 AM

>That was my Dad. Ate, smoked and drank anything he wanted -- and it killed
>him pretty "young" (by modern standards) at age 74.
>
>But, he *did* avoid spending his last years curled in the fetal position, as
>his mother sadly did not. She lived to 93, but spent her last several
>years in a coma -- a fate my Dad was determined to avoid.

Sorry to hear about your ma. It is a shame that she had to suffer and
also that your dad past away so young as you've said (by modern
standards) at age 74.

My granddad lived in the "third world" country eating homegrown/farm
raised food and smoking tobacco that he grew. There's something to be
said about organically grown/raised food huh? We, here in the US, are
comsuming factory raised chicken, beef... canned food, food with a
bunch of additives that we can't even pronounce. The cigarettes are
laced with ingredients to enhance flavor, to keep it burning
unattended...blah blah blah. All of this advance in science is killing
us.

Thailand, my granddad's part of Thailand, has been eating, smoking and
basically living the same way for the past four five thousand years.
Until only about eight-ten years ago did my granddad's farm had
plumbing, trucks, electricity...etc. When I left, we didn't even have
oil lamp, we gathered sap from a particular tree, mixed it with
crumbled dried out "mulch" looking pieces of wood, rolled them into
1.5" round logs wrapped in dried bana leave. That was our lantern.

My granddad was alert and kicking 'til the day he past away. I think
he just decided that it was enough. About seven or eight years ago, he
decided to go down to the edge of our farm and cut/pull weed around the
fence line. He contracted meat eating virus some how and lost about
four lbs of his left calf. It slowed him down alot and he didn't like
that. Last time I went to visit him '03 I put him in a cart and pulled
him with a scooter for a ride around the farm. Below is a picture of
our tobacco farm on the bank of the mekong river.

Shortly after I came back to the US, he past away. I think he held out
long enough for me to visit one last time. Tough old goat he was.

The Monk

Mark Hickey

January 6th 06, 05:54 AM

"Morgans" > wrote:

>It must have hurt, from the volume and amount of yelps he let out.
>Fortunately for me, he also hurt enough that he went away to lick his
>wounds, instead of messing with me. I was hurting from the impact with the
>handlebars, then the impact with the road, then the tumbling and sliding
>along the road. Fortunately, my wheel was round enough that it only rubbed
>on my fender a little bit, (yeah, right, it almost didn't go around) and I
>was able to ride the 2 or so miles home, to properly wash and dress my road
>rash.

Heh... I just can't help but relate another of my goofy dog stories.

I was doing a training ride in rural NJ (yes, there is such a thing),
and was laboring up a long hill. On my right was a farmhouse, on land
that rose up to the house from the road, with the farmhouse "on top"
to my right.

The owner of the house and his German shepherd were in the front yard,
and the dog decided that I looked like a good target apparently... he
charged down the hill (from the house) at a perfect intercept vector
to put us both in the same place and time (he'd obviously done it
before).

I mustered up the best uphill sprint I could manage trying to mess up
the dog's trigonometry, but he had a good jump on me, and gravity
working for him rather than against him (like me).

The worst thing was the owner laughing hysterically at his clever
pooch's bad behavior.

As the dog was approaching fast from my right, he decided to jink just
on my side of a telephone pole. I chose that moment to bark at the
dog (I have a tremendous bark that will always stop/reroute any dog
chasing me). It caused ol' Fido to jink to the right in reflex -
which happened to be the very space occupied by a very large telephone
pole.

The dog dead-centered the pole at a dead run, and went down in a heap,
twitching. I continued my sprint up the hill, laughing at the dog's
owner now running down the hill to see how much damage his dog had
done to itself.

Some days you're the bug, other days you're the windshield...

Mark Hickey

Flyingmonk

January 6th 06, 08:25 AM

>That was my Dad. Ate, smoked and drank anything he wanted -- and it killed
>him pretty "young" (by modern standards) at age 74.
>But, he *did* avoid spending his last years curled in the fetal position, as
>his mother sadly did not. She lived to 93, but spent her last several
>years in a coma -- a fate my Dad was determined to avoid.
Sorry to hear about your ma. It is a shame that she had to suffer and
also that your dad past away so young as you've said (by modern
standards) at age 74.

My granddad lived in the "third world" country eating homegrown/farm
raised food and smoking tobacco that he grew. There's something to be
said about organically grown/raised food huh? We, here in the US, are
consuming factory raised chicken, beef... canned food, food with a
bunch of additives that we can't even pronounce. The cigarettes are
laced with ingredients to enhance flavor, to keep it burning
unattended...blah blah blah. All of these advances in science is
killing us.

Thailand, my granddad's part of Thailand, has been eating, smoking and
basically living the same way for the past four five thousand years.
Until only about eight-ten years ago did my granddad's farm had
plumbing, trucks, electricity...etc. When I left, we didn't even have
oil lamp, we gathered sap from a particular tree, mixed it with
crumbled dried out "mulch" looking pieces of wood, rolled them into two
feet long 1.5" round logs wrapped in dried banana leave. That was our
lantern.

My granddad was alert and kicking 'til the day he past away. I think
he just decided that it was enough. About seven or eight years ago, he
decided to go down to the edge of our farm and cut/pull weed around the
fence line. He contracted meat eating virus some how and lost about
four lbs of his left calf. It slowed him down a lot and he didn't like
that. Last time I went to visit him '03 I put him in a cart and pulled
him with a scooter for a ride around the farm. Below are a couple of
pictures of the old goat and our tobacco farm on the bank of the Mekong
river.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=jrwpyp
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=jrwo7r

Shortly after I came back to the US, he past away. I think he held out
long enough for me to visit one last time. Tough old goat he was.

The Monk

Jay Honeck

January 6th 06, 02:38 PM

> Shortly after I came back to the US, he past away. I think he held out
> long enough for me to visit one last time. Tough old goat he was.

He *looks* tough. It's hard to look stately whilst sitting in the back of a
trailer, but somehow he pulled it off!

(BTW: It was my grand-mother that spent her last several years in a coma,
after a long life. My Mom followed my Dad's "no doctors-eat&smoke
anything-no exercise" way of life, and died at 76.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk

January 6th 06, 03:09 PM

Sorry about missing "your dad and your grandma" it was late last night
and I was tired but wasn't sleepy. You had clearly stated who they
were, I just didn't take in all that I read, due to fatigue I guess.

One more thing to add about my granddad, he died with all of his teeth
in tact. Dentist? what's a dentist? Dentists didn't come around to
hid part of the woods until he was about 85 or 90 years old. I
remember he used to clean his teeth with bamboo slivers and he'd brush
his teeth with dried coconut husk and mineral salt. His teeth were all
dark black, however, due to chewing on beetle nut. :^)

The Monk

[email protected]

January 6th 06, 05:49 PM

>"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
>news:KyOuf.73096$sg5.9349@dukeread12...
>> You guys are thinking way too high tech. My son recommends a skateboard.

My wife's motto, and subsequently mine as well: Don't put it on and
you don't have to take if off.

Corky Scott

Grumman-581

January 6th 06, 07:06 PM

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
...
> I went over the bars and managed to tuck and roll, and actually did a
> handspring out, landing on my feet (and not a soul around to see it).
> Fortunately my guardian angle was apparently on duty that day and I
> only got a little biffed up. Slightly scraped, but wiser.

The first time it happened to me, I tended to stay attached to the bike...
Pretty good trick, come to think of it, since I didn't have toe clips on
that bike... I ended up inverted with the bike upside down... I guess I had
a death grip on the brake and the bike stayed with me... The dog decided to
make a loop or to around me and wrap me with the leash... He then had the
nerve to stop and look at me as to ask why I was laying on the concrete /
asphalt of the bike trail... Didn't have a helmet, of course, so I'm curious
how I managed to do it without getting the least scratch on my head... It's
not like I have a lot of hair up there protecting it...

Morgans

January 6th 06, 09:10 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote

> The dog dead-centered the pole at a dead run, and went down in a heap,
> twitching. I continued my sprint up the hill, laughing at the dog's
> owner now running down the hill to see how much damage his dog had
> done to itself.
>
> Some days you're the bug, other days you're the windshield...

LOL!!! I haven't laughed so loud at something on the internet in a LONG
time. Thanks!

I'll have to keep the barking trick in mind. It does seem like it should
work, and I also have a pretty good bark; guaranteed to make any dog stop
and look where the dog is!
--
Jim in NC

JohnH

January 6th 06, 09:29 PM

> I'll have to keep the barking trick in mind. It does seem like it
> should work, and I also have a pretty good bark; guaranteed to make
> any dog stop and look where the dog is!

It really messes with them. As a young lad we had a neighbor with an
incessantly barking dog. Frustrated, I walked up to it with a bullhorn and
barked back. It gave me a quite confused look and walked away, never to
needlessly bark again.

Matt Whiting

January 6th 06, 10:36 PM

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Mark Hickey" wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I went over the bars and managed to tuck and roll, and actually did a
>>handspring out, landing on my feet (and not a soul around to see it).
>>Fortunately my guardian angle was apparently on duty that day and I
>>only got a little biffed up. Slightly scraped, but wiser.
>
>
> The first time it happened to me, I tended to stay attached to the bike...
> Pretty good trick, come to think of it, since I didn't have toe clips on
> that bike... I ended up inverted with the bike upside down... I guess I had
> a death grip on the brake and the bike stayed with me... The dog decided to
> make a loop or to around me and wrap me with the leash... He then had the
> nerve to stop and look at me as to ask why I was laying on the concrete /
> asphalt of the bike trail... Didn't have a helmet, of course, so I'm curious
> how I managed to do it without getting the least scratch on my head... It's
> not like I have a lot of hair up there protecting it...

From some of your past posts, it sounds like you may not need a helmet!
:-)

Matt

Matt Whiting

January 6th 06, 10:37 PM

Morgans wrote:

> "Mark Hickey" > wrote
>
>
>>The dog dead-centered the pole at a dead run, and went down in a heap,
>>twitching. I continued my sprint up the hill, laughing at the dog's
>>owner now running down the hill to see how much damage his dog had
>>done to itself.
>>
>>Some days you're the bug, other days you're the windshield...
>
>
> LOL!!! I haven't laughed so loud at something on the internet in a LONG
> time. Thanks!

Yes, that is a good one. I've even seen a cartoon with a bug splattered
on a windshield that is funny.

Another one I heard that is in the same vein is...

"Some days you are the dog and some days you are the hydrant."

Matt