EAA UWO Dorm Room (Air Conditioned) For Sale

[RST Engineering]

Due to the recent loss of a deeply beloved furry member of our family and
the concomitant training requirements of a new puppy, Gail and Jim will not
be going to Oshkosh this year. First time in twelve years for Gail; first
time in thirty-three years for Jim.

We have a room in the newly air-conditioned Taylor Hall reserved for most of
the Show. I don't want to make a penny on it. If anybody wants this room
and is willing to pay me what I have on deposit ($50 or so) and take over
the "payments", then give me an email

First "regular" in these newsgroups gets it. I'll filter down to the
unknowns later. Paypal is the preferred method of payment.

Jim

(sniffle, bawl, poor damned puppydog didn't deserve her ultimate end ...)

[Jay Honeck]

> Due to the recent loss of a deeply beloved furry member of our family and
> the concomitant training requirements of a new puppy, Gail and Jim will
> not be going to Oshkosh this year. First time in twelve years for Gail;
> first time in thirty-three years for Jim.

????

You're missing OSH '06 to train a puppy? No way.

This *has* to be an imposter, scamming Jim's email address...right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

RST Engineering wrote:

> Due to the recent loss of a deeply beloved furry member of our family and
> the concomitant training requirements of a new puppy, Gail and Jim will not
> be going to Oshkosh this year. First time in twelve years for Gail; first
> time in thirty-three years for Jim.

What sort of training takes 6 months and doesn't allow a week's vacation?
Something doesn't smell right here, and it's not the dog.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[RST Engineering]

OK, so we care as much for our furry family as we do for each other.
Airplanes and dogs have equal weight in our eyes. And airplanes don't sleep
on your feet on cold nights and lick your face awake in the morning.

Sorry, Jay, there is more to life than cold aluminum airframes and hard
steel engines. No, this is not an imposter scamming my addy, and if you had
half a heart you'd understand how bad I'm hurting from my loss.

Jim



>
> You're missing OSH '06 to train a puppy? No way.
>
> This *has* to be an imposter, scamming Jim's email address...right?

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Due to the recent loss of a deeply beloved furry member of our family and
>>the concomitant training requirements of a new puppy, Gail and Jim will
>>not be going to Oshkosh this year. First time in twelve years for Gail;
>>first time in thirty-three years for Jim.
>
>
> ????
>
> You're missing OSH '06 to train a puppy? No way.
>
> This *has* to be an imposter, scamming Jim's email address...right?

Well, Jay, not everyone thinks airplanes are ALL there is in life. Some
of us have other loves and interests, such as motorcycles and guns (in
my case) and puppies apparently in Jim's case. I'm as surprised that
you can't understand that as you are that Jim is skipping OSH. It is
only an airshow for crying out loud. And it will be there next year...


Matt

[Jay Masino]

In rec.aviation.owning RST Engineering > wrote:
> OK, so we care as much for our furry family as we do for each other.
> Airplanes and dogs have equal weight in our eyes. And airplanes don't sleep
> on your feet on cold nights and lick your face awake in the morning.
>
> Sorry, Jay, there is more to life than cold aluminum airframes and hard
> steel engines. No, this is not an imposter scamming my addy, and if you had
> half a heart you'd understand how bad I'm hurting from my loss.

Jim, I feel your loss. It took me years to get over the last critter
that I lost. If one of my critters needed expensive medical attention,
and the only way I could pay for it was to sell the plane. The plane
would be gone.

I'm feeling for you, buddy.


--- Jay Masino



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[Matt Barrow]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
.. .
> And airplanes don't sleep on your feet on cold nights and lick your face
> awake in the morning.
>

Maybe not at your house..

[John]

George Patterson wrote:

> Montblack wrote:
>
>> I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!
>
> We have 6 cats. They'll take care of themselves for periods up to a week.
> If we stay away that long, though, some of them give us an "do I know
> you?" look when we get back. We just have to make sure they have clean
> litter boxes and adequate food and water before we go.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong
> to your slightly older self.


Yeah Let the mice out ;-)

[Jay Honeck]

> Sorry, Jay, there is more to life than cold aluminum airframes and hard
> steel engines. No, this is not an imposter scamming my addy, and if you had
> half a heart you'd understand how bad I'm hurting from my loss.

Well, Jim, I've cried a thousand tears for my dogs over the years.
When we had to put Princess down last year, we pulled the kids out of
school so they could spend time with her at the vet's before, well, you
know... We're STILL hurting about it.

But, for crying out loud, OSH is six months away! I think it's safe
to say that you can potty train any puppy by then?

I'm not insensitive to your loss, but I think you're premature in
cancelling your reservations. There are many people -- myself
included -- that regard your forums as the ONLY "don't miss" forums at
OSH, and it simply won't be the same without you and Gail...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns]

My condolences on your loss Jim.
People's relationships with their pets are as varied as their relationships
with people, and I respect that.

I've had dogs all my life, been around cattle and horses ever since I can
remember, raised 100 chickens from hatching eggs in the second grade. (The
chickens got butchered when the roosters became mean and would attack my
mom.)

My first dog was a St. Bernard. He died on Mothers Day, 1974. I was 8.

The next was a Heinz 57 Spitz type, who grew old and totally insane, nipping
and biting anyone but me. I held him while my Dad euthanized him.

My next dog was the first dog that was totally "mine". I'd saved every
penny I had earned over summer vacation. He was a Sheltie, but an oversized
dog, about 1/3 the size of a Collie. He went everywhere with me until he
was about 5 years old and came down with an unknown disease and was
suffering terribly. I euthanized him myself with 30cc's of Acepromazine
mixed with Ketamine, 3cc's of Ace will put down a 2000 lb bull, he never
felt a thing. I buried him myself, alone. I was 15.

That was the same year that I bought my first show heifer, spent countless
hours, blood, sweat, and tears halter breaking her, training her, and taking
her to fairs and shows, actually slept in the stalls next to her while away
from home. She died that fall, hardware puncture to her rumen. I helped
the vet do the necropsy.

At one time our cow/calf operation consisted of over 2000 head of beef cows.
We had a half dozen horses and I worked cattle with horses every summer from
the time I was 12 until I was 20. The relationships that I developed with
the horses was a working relationship. The cows were a job. They could
just be down right mean. When they'd calve each spring, death was
everywhere. Helpless calves unable to nurse, still bornes, cows laying on
their calves, cows abandoning them, septic or milk fever cows dieing. You'd
feel sorry for them until the next cow kicked you, or the next calf crapped
all over you. Don't get me wrong, each of us developed many many
relationships with these horses and cattle. Some were good, some we cared
for deeply, some we simply hated and I'm positive that some of them hated us
just as much.

My kids were born during the years that my wife and I raised and showed
dogs. When the bitches whelped, I slept (if you can even call it sleeping)
right next to them. I protected the puppies from their own mother stepping,
laying, and eating them. I showed my kids exactly what happens when a
mother licks a puppies navel so much that it creates a hernia and the puppy
bleeds to death. I showed them the still bones. They've learned the
responsibility of animal ownership, care, life, and death. They've cried
when the puppy's were sold and the new owners took them away. They've also
re-greeted some of the same dogs years later when their owners would visit,
or we'd see one at a show.

The point that I've tried to pass on to my kids is that death is part of
animal ownership. The minute that an animal is born, responsibility begins
and will not end until one day you have to say goodbye. The time in between
and the relationship that you develop is what you make of it, but never
forget that someday it will be over. I can't remember the day that I got
every dog I've ever owned, but I can remember the day that every one of them
died.

If Jay only has half a heart, maybe I have none. I don't know. But what I
do know, is that animals are only a part of my life and they only enter my
life to serve a purpose, even if that purpose is companionship. I'll never
care as much for any of our animals as I do for my family members or my
friends. When I loose an animal I never feel that I didn't spend enough
time with them. Animals remember short term events, they learn through
conditioning, they do not remember yesterday, last week, last month, last
year per say. When I loose a friend or family member I do and will always
feel that I hadn't spent enough time with them.

People, just like animals, are thankfully different.
Again, I'm sorry for your loss and we'll miss both you and Gail at OSH.

Jim





"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
.. .
> OK, so we care as much for our furry family as we do for each other.
> Airplanes and dogs have equal weight in our eyes. And airplanes don't
sleep
> on your feet on cold nights and lick your face awake in the morning.
>
> Sorry, Jay, there is more to life than cold aluminum airframes and hard
> steel engines. No, this is not an imposter scamming my addy, and if you
had
> half a heart you'd understand how bad I'm hurting from my loss.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> >
> > You're missing OSH '06 to train a puppy? No way.
> >
> > This *has* to be an imposter, scamming Jim's email address...right?
>
>

[Montblack]

("Jim Burns" wrote)
[good stuff snipped]

Great post Jim.

We have a 16 year old male toy poodle ...with 6 teeth! He's 97.5% deaf - so
we're the dog owners in our neighborhood always yelling at our pet. <g>

I was with you up until this part:

"Animals remember short term events, they learn through conditioning, they
do not remember yesterday, last week, last month, last year per say."

Animals maybe, but I think dogs 'know' things and remember things. After
raising kids you begin to realize that a two year old is just a small four
year old - without a vocabulary. Dogs fall into that category - limited
language skills. They mostly say it with their eyes. :-)


Montblack
Coalie was named by the nieces when they were four. He was black like coal.
Might have been something they saw in a book? The girls are now sophomores
in college.

[RST Engineering]

>
> But, for crying out loud, OSH is six months away! I think it's safe
> to say that you can potty train any puppy by then?

So that's it, is it Jay? Just potty train her and let the little *******
fend for herself for two weeks while we're (for her 6 month old mind) gone
forever? Or stuff her in some kennel where if she's lucky they'll take her
for a walk once a day?

What doesn't your brain understand that for you what is a day-trip, a 2 hour
flight up the boulevard, is for us a bitch of three days going, three days
coming back, and a week at the airport? Two weeks out of an already
shortened summer. Not to mention the two weeks before the show coming up
with an idea for the forum, building it, testing it, drawing up the plans,
making sure that the CDROM is burned right, stuffing the project in boxes
that will fit in the airplane, schlepping it from North FondDuLac to the
forums plaza and back, then schlepping it back home.

I haven't had a summer to myself in 34 years, I haven't been to a summer
airshow in California in too long to remember because it has always been
Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Oshkosh. Well, dammit, it's time to stop and smell the
roses ... and I am.


>
> I'm not insensitive to your loss, but I think you're premature in
> cancelling your reservations. There are many people -- myself
> included -- that regard your forums as the ONLY "don't miss" forums at
> OSH, and it simply won't be the same without you and Gail...

Quite frankly, I don't give a hairy rat's ass what you think. And to hell
with what Jim and Gail want. Jay is going to miss a forum that he likes.
Isn't that just too frikkin' bad? It's not what Jim and Gail have decided
to do, it's that Jay (the center of the known universe) will be
inconvenienced.

Jim

[RST Engineering]

Bless you, Jim.

Jim



> People, just like animals, are thankfully different.
> Again, I'm sorry for your loss and we'll miss both you and Gail at OSH.
>
> Jim
>

[Jim Burns]

What I meant was that animals do not remember "yesterday" as being the day
before today. They remember events based upon how frequently, how exciting,
or how traumatic the event was. They don't know when the event actually
happened.
Jim


"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Jim Burns" wrote)
> [good stuff snipped]
>
> Great post Jim.
>
> We have a 16 year old male toy poodle ...with 6 teeth! He's 97.5% deaf -
so
> we're the dog owners in our neighborhood always yelling at our pet. <g>
>
> I was with you up until this part:
>
> "Animals remember short term events, they learn through conditioning, they
> do not remember yesterday, last week, last month, last year per say."
>
> Animals maybe, but I think dogs 'know' things and remember things. After
> raising kids you begin to realize that a two year old is just a small four
> year old - without a vocabulary. Dogs fall into that category - limited
> language skills. They mostly say it with their eyes. :-)
>
>
> Montblack
> Coalie was named by the nieces when they were four. He was black like
coal.
> Might have been something they saw in a book? The girls are now sophomores
> in college.
>

[Ross Richardson]

We have always had two cats during our married lives (35 years).
Yesterday I had to put our 20 year old cat to sleep. She was in severe
renal failure. I could hardly talk to the vet when I brought her in and
sat in the exam room for several minutes with the cat before I could
leave. Pets become part of the family.

Ross

Montblack wrote:

> ("Jim Burns" wrote)
> [good stuff snipped]
>
> Great post Jim.
>
> We have a 16 year old male toy poodle ...with 6 teeth! He's 97.5% deaf -
> so we're the dog owners in our neighborhood always yelling at our pet. <g>
>
> I was with you up until this part:
>
> "Animals remember short term events, they learn through conditioning,
> they do not remember yesterday, last week, last month, last year per say."
>
> Animals maybe, but I think dogs 'know' things and remember things. After
> raising kids you begin to realize that a two year old is just a small
> four year old - without a vocabulary. Dogs fall into that category -
> limited language skills. They mostly say it with their eyes. :-)
>
>
> Montblack
> Coalie was named by the nieces when they were four. He was black like
> coal. Might have been something they saw in a book? The girls are now
> sophomores in college.

[George Patterson]

RST Engineering wrote:

> Just potty train her and let the little *******
> fend for herself for two weeks while we're (for her 6 month old mind) gone
> forever? Or stuff her in some kennel where if she's lucky they'll take her
> for a walk once a day?

I understand that. We spent Christmas with my mother in Tennessee this year,
which meant our coonhound spent five days in a kennel. She lost about 5 pounds
-- just refused to eat. Next time we go, we're taking her with us and putting
her in a kennel down there. Then we can visit her every day.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[RST Engineering]

Yes, they do become part of the family, and I feel your loss deeply.

I'm not offering advice, but my way of grieving is to share that grief with
new life...be it puppy or kitten. Somehow the hurt isn't quite so
omnipresent when you are cleaning up puppy poop all day {;-)

Jim



> We have always had two cats during our married lives (35 years). Yesterday
> I had to put our 20 year old cat to sleep. She was in severe renal
> failure. I could hardly talk to the vet when I brought her in and sat in
> the exam room for several minutes with the cat before I could leave. Pets
> become part of the family.

[Jay Masino]

Ross Richardson > wrote:
> We have always had two cats during our married lives (35 years).
> Yesterday I had to put our 20 year old cat to sleep. She was in severe
> renal failure. I could hardly talk to the vet when I brought her in and
> sat in the exam room for several minutes with the cat before I could
> leave. Pets become part of the family.

Ross,

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I'm sure you gave her a wonderful
life. She appreciated it. You might want to checkout:
http://www.petloss.com/

Especially, the stuff about the Rainbow Bridge. I hope you feel better
soon. :(

--- Jay Masino


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http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Jay Masino]

In rec.aviation.owning RST Engineering > wrote:
> OK, so we care as much for our furry family as we do for each other.
> Airplanes and dogs have equal weight in our eyes. And airplanes don't sleep
> on your feet on cold nights and lick your face awake in the morning.

Jim,

You might want to checkout: http://www.petloss.com/

Especially, the stuff about the Rainbow Bridge. I hope you feel better
soon. :(

--- Jay Masino



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[Jay Honeck]

> Quite frankly, I don't give a hairy rat's ass what you think. And to hell
> with what Jim and Gail want. Jay is going to miss a forum that he likes.
> Isn't that just too frikkin' bad? It's not what Jim and Gail have decided
> to do, it's that Jay (the center of the known universe) will be
> inconvenienced.

Well, Jim, I'm sorry if that's the way you feel. Clearly there's more
going on here than we know, and I hope it all works out for you and
Gail.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination

[Ron Garret]

In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Sorry, Jay, there is more to life than cold aluminum airframes

Yeah, there's composites too!

;-) ;-) ;-)

Seriously though, you have my deepest sympathy. I was not a dog person
until we found this guy at the pound:

http://www.flownet.com/ron/pictures/puppy_eyes.JPG

He's still with us, but he's starting to slow down and I just know he's
going to break my heart some day.

rg

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
> I haven't had a summer to myself in 34 years, I haven't been to a summer
> airshow in California in too long to remember because it has always been
> Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Oshkosh. Well, dammit, it's time to stop and smell the
> roses ... and I am.


2006 will be my 4th OSH. That *is* stopping and smelling the Jet-A for me (6
or 7 hr drive over from the Twin Cities).

For me, it's not a show but more like a week at the lake. Hang out, relax,
enjoy, sit, drink, relax, eat, walk around, drive home on Sunday - or
whenever. Maybe you could knock off doing the forum (and all prep) and just
enjoy the show this year - maybe leave Thursday morning? Just a thought. On
the flip side I know what you mean about - let's try something different
....for once!

This year, for me, will be two scheduled days at the flight line, in a white
plastic chair, for oh ...about 6 hours each day - starting early in the
morning. I'll walk around during the airshow.

Always wanted to do that - this year I will.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> I understand that. We spent Christmas with my mother in Tennessee this
> year, which meant our coonhound spent five days in a kennel. She lost
> about 5 pounds -- just refused to eat. Next time we go, we're taking her
> with us and putting her in a kennel down there. Then we can visit her
> every day.


We watch a number of friends' dogs for that very reason. Dogs go goofy in
kennels. Sometimes one of our friends does a half and half. He kennels his
dog, then we go over (daily) and take her with us to the local Dog Park and
walk (run) her for a few hours. It's a 500 acre doggie Disneyland. It's only
a 50 acre Dog Run - but we go 'exploring' in the adjacent open space.

Other times we go over to friends' houses a couple of times a day - morning
and evening. Still other times we have a dog with us for a week. We've been
doing this for years. Always dogs, never a puppy.

I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!


Montblack

[Rich S.]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>
> I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!

Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .

Rich S.

[Jay Masino]

In rec.aviation.owning Ron Garret > wrote:
> http://www.flownet.com/ron/pictures/puppy_eyes.JPG

He' adorable.

> He's still with us, but he's starting to slow down and I just know he's
> going to break my heart some day.

He'll never break your heart, the circumstance will.

--- Jay


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[RST Engineering]

Gorgeous animal...have him tested for thyroid. I've seen more dogs perk up
when they get the thyroid working correctly than anything else.

Jim

> He's still with us, but he's starting to slow down and I just know he's
> going to break my heart some day.
>
> rg

[George Patterson]

Montblack wrote:

> I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!

We have 6 cats. They'll take care of themselves for periods up to a week. If we
stay away that long, though, some of them give us an "do I know you?" look when
we get back. We just have to make sure they have clean litter boxes and adequate
food and water before we go.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Ron Garret]

In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Gorgeous animal...have him tested for thyroid. I've seen more dogs perk up
> when they get the thyroid working correctly than anything else.

His problem is arthritis, plus a congenital defect (he's missing one of
his hip joints, though that actually doesn't slow him down much). He's
on meds and they do help. But he's ten years old now, so he's not a
puppy any more. The days of ten mile hikes are over. But he still
bounces (literally!) when he knows it's time for dinner.

rg

[Blanche]

RST Engineering > wrote:
>So that's it, is it Jay? Just potty train her and let the little *******
>fend for herself for two weeks while we're (for her 6 month old mind) gone
>forever? Or stuff her in some kennel where if she's lucky they'll take her
>for a walk once a day?

I'm available for dog-sitting. And by then, I'll have my new puppy and
will be potyt-training also. It might be nice to have "a big sibling"
to show how it's done!

Doggie door to the backyard, too. And rides in the car to the pet store!
And trips to the fenced in handball court at the school to play catch
*very safely*, since they can't get out.

All you have to do is get puppy to Denver. I'm not going to OSH this
year on general principles. Hate camping, lost all interest in the
dorms (after 4 years of it), can't get a decent hotel room.

[Blanche]

George Patterson > wrote:
>I understand that. We spent Christmas with my mother in Tennessee this year,
>which meant our coonhound spent five days in a kennel. She lost about 5 pounds
>-- just refused to eat. Next time we go, we're taking her with us and putting
>her in a kennel down there. Then we can visit her every day.

My parents used to do that when they went to Las Vegas, NV. It was a
6-7 hour drive from Phoenix, dog went everywhere with them. Dog spent
the night at the kennel, spent the day with them. Precursor to
doggie daycare!

[Blanche]

>("Jim Burns" wrote)
>[good stuff snipped]
>"Animals remember short term events, they learn through conditioning, they
>do not remember yesterday, last week, last month, last year per say."

I'm not sure about that...my father (lived in phoenix before he died)
used to spend the summers with me (july-oct in Denver) running up my
electric bill for the air conditioner. Trust me, the dog remembered
Dad the moment he walked in the door after being away for 9-10 months!

Dad had to deal with two dogs passing in their sleep. I had to deal
with Mom dying in front of me, Dad dying in Phoenix. I'm not sure
which one of us had the worse time. Personally, I think it was him.
I knew Mom was very short-time. And Dad has just finished his
3 month stay with me (he died the day after getting home).

[Al]

Boy, Aint that the truth.

Al


"Rich S." > wrote in message
. ..
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!
>
> Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .
>
> Rich S.
>

[Jay Beckman]

"Rich S." > wrote in message
. ..
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!
>
> Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .
>
> Rich S.

Great quote...

We serve these two:

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/our_cats

Jay B

[Margy]

Rich S. wrote:
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I got roped into taking care of four cats last year. Won't do that again!
>
>
> Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .
>
> Rich S.
>
>
How true, how true indeed.

Margy (4 cats, all old, all with "personalities")

[D.Reid]

So Jim...Who gets the room at Oshkosh? I'd like to go if I had a place to
stay. Never been before. Be glad to pay you what you have in it.
Thanks,
Dave
"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
.. .
> Due to the recent loss of a deeply beloved furry member of our family and
> the concomitant training requirements of a new puppy, Gail and Jim will
> not be going to Oshkosh this year. First time in twelve years for Gail;
> first time in thirty-three years for Jim.
>
> We have a room in the newly air-conditioned Taylor Hall reserved for most
> of the Show. I don't want to make a penny on it. If anybody wants this
> room and is willing to pay me what I have on deposit ($50 or so) and take
> over the "payments", then give me an email
>
> First "regular" in these newsgroups gets it. I'll filter down to the
> unknowns later. Paypal is the preferred method of payment.
>
> Jim
>
> (sniffle, bawl, poor damned puppydog didn't deserve her ultimate end ...)
>

[RST Engineering]

Sorry, Dave, Montblack beat you to it, but if he isn't bringing his
significant other, perhaps you could split the room with him. How about it,
Montblack?

Jim


"D.Reid" > wrote in message
...
> So Jim...Who gets the room at Oshkosh? I'd like to go if I had a place to
> stay. Never been before. Be glad to pay you what you have in it.

[Tater Schuld]

"D.Reid" > wrote in message
...
> So Jim...Who gets the room at Oshkosh? I'd like to go if I had a place to
> stay. Never been before. Be glad to pay you what you have in it.
> Thanks,
> Dave

Dave, go to camp scholler, been doing it for the past 4 years. at worst you
can sleep in your car. at best i might have a spare bunk in the camper i'll
be taking.

[john smith]

In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Sorry, Dave, Montblack beat you to it, but if he isn't bringing his
> significant other, perhaps you could split the room with him. How about it,
> Montblack?

What????
No more stories about sleeping in the van!
No more tales of the air-mattress going flat in the middle of the night!
No more ranting about the rain leaking in through the window where the
electrical extension cord comes in!
What are we going to do for entertainment around the MOAC2 this summer?
Say it ain't so!!!

[Jay Honeck]

> What????
> No more stories about sleeping in the van!
> No more tales of the air-mattress going flat in the middle of the night!
> No more ranting about the rain leaking in through the window where the
> electrical extension cord comes in!
> What are we going to do for entertainment around the MOAC2 this summer?
> Say it ain't so!!!

Somehow I don't think having a dorm room will stop Montblack from bringing
PMC2 ("Pimp My Cooler"), and helping us to consume the contents.

But the visual image of Montblack sleeping on a too-big airmattress -- which
cocked itself at a 45 degree angle -- in the back of the mini-van will live
with us forever!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
> Sorry, Dave, Montblack beat you to it, but if he isn't bringing his
> significant other, perhaps you could split the room with him. How about
> it, Montblack?


Significant Other is already lining up vacation days for '06 OSH dates -
she's not sure what she'll do, but it won't be with me! She loves her week
home ....alone.

Reply to john smith:
I told Jim W if his plans change, the "reserved" room is for him again -
I'll hold it for a few months (April/May) THEN firm up my roommate options.
Like I told Jim ...camping in the minivan is not a bad Plan "B" fallback for
me.

So yes Dave, I'll sure keep you in mind. I think around Mother's Day I'll
revisit the dorm room options. Jim will have his plans firmed up by then,
and I'll know more what's up for roommates on my end.

If I'm not attending the show this year (for some unforeseen reason) I'll do
what Jim did - offer it back to the group for face value.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> But the visual image of Montblack sleeping on a too-big airmattress --
> which cocked itself at a 45 degree angle -- in the back of the mini-van
> will live with us forever!


While you guys were at the IowaCityAlexisParkInnFreeBeerandFoodPoolParty
(with swimming poll cannonballs provided by John O and Jim W for
entertainment) I was helping someone move on Saturday ..."Hot Saturday".

I threw together my stuff at around midnight for the drive over to OSH, not
thinking that a 20" high self-inflating queen air mattress "would not" fit
the 4' x 8' confines of the minivan - what little focus I had left was on
the 8' part of that space.

The freshly retired United pilot and his wife, in their brand spank'n new
mobile home complete with canopy porch and porch furniture, almost wet
themselves when they saw my predicament. <g>

Next morning I was at Wally-World buying a 20" high "Twin" air mattress.
Ahh, dignity restored.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("john smith" wrote)
> What????
> No more stories about sleeping in the van!
> No more tales of the air-mattress going flat in the middle of the night!
> No more ranting about the rain leaking in through the window where the
> electrical extension cord comes in!
> What are we going to do for entertainment around the MOAC2 this summer?
> Say it ain't so!!!


The rain I licked with some foam padding, thicker than the cord. Rolled the
window up on the pad ...two pieces, cord in the middle.
(rec.minivan.homebuilt)

My air mattress (queen - Doh!) didn't go flat - which turned out to be one
of the problems. <g>

I told Jim W if his plans change, the "reserved" room is for him again -
I'll hold it for a few months (April/May) THEN firm up my roommate options.
Like I told Jim ...camping in the minivan is not a bad Plan "B" fallback for
me.


Montblack

[Jim Burns]

I've never met another man with so much luck when it comes to winning
houseing... first the Alexis Park Inn Name that Suite Sweepstakes and now
the Jim and Gail Great OSH Dorm Reservation Transfer! What in the world am
I going to tell my kids when they ask why Paul isn't staying at our house
one night this year??!! They'll be heartbroken. :(
Jim

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("RST Engineering" wrote)
> > Sorry, Dave, Montblack beat you to it, but if he isn't bringing his
> > significant other, perhaps you could split the room with him. How about
> > it, Montblack?
>
>
> Significant Other is already lining up vacation days for '06 OSH dates -
> she's not sure what she'll do, but it won't be with me! She loves her week
> home ....alone.
>
> Reply to john smith:
> I told Jim W if his plans change, the "reserved" room is for him again -
> I'll hold it for a few months (April/May) THEN firm up my roommate
options.
> Like I told Jim ...camping in the minivan is not a bad Plan "B" fallback
for
> me.
>
> So yes Dave, I'll sure keep you in mind. I think around Mother's Day I'll
> revisit the dorm room options. Jim will have his plans firmed up by then,
> and I'll know more what's up for roommates on my end.
>
> If I'm not attending the show this year (for some unforeseen reason) I'll
do
> what Jim did - offer it back to the group for face value.
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Montblack]

("Jim Burns" wrote)
> I've never met another man with so much luck when it comes to winning
> houseing... first the Alexis Park Inn Name that Suite Sweepstakes and now
> the Jim and Gail Great OSH Dorm Reservation Transfer! What in the world
> am I going to tell my kids when they ask why Paul isn't staying at our
> house one night this year??!! They'll be heartbroken. :(


Hey, a sleep over in the dorms! I've got a couple of extra 20" high
airmattresses. <g>

All we'll need are some 4x4's, lag bolts, a cordless drill, and, oh yeah -
popcorn!


Montblack
This year bring the kids, they'd have a blast. Plus, it's a hell of a lot
cheaper than paying babysitters! :-)

[Jim Burns]

> Montblack
> This year bring the kids, they'd have a blast. Plus, it's a hell of a lot
> cheaper than paying babysitters! :-)

Did everybody hear that?? Montblack will be hosting a daycare center at the
dorms! lol
(actually, you could probably make a fortune!)
Jim

[Blanche]

Montblack > wrote:
>Significant Other is already lining up vacation days for '06 OSH dates -
>she's not sure what she'll do, but it won't be with me! She loves her week
>home ....alone.


She can join me in Las Vegas!

1) air conditioning

2) room service

[Jay Honeck]

> The freshly retired United pilot and his wife, in their brand spank'n new
> mobile home complete with canopy porch and porch furniture, almost wet
> themselves when they saw my predicament. <g>
>
> Next morning I was at Wally-World buying a 20" high "Twin" air mattress.
> Ahh, dignity restored.

Ah, but there are other visual images, too. Let's not forget OSH '04, with
Montblack camped next to us in a driving, all-night rain, sitting upright in
a chair, inside a tent WITHOUT a rain fly, holding an umbrella to stay
dry...

Have you ever heard from your tent-mate again?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> She can join me in Las Vegas!
>
> 1) air conditioning
>
> 2) room service

Vegas is a winter sport. We're planning to partake of its wonders in March.

In July, it's a blast furnace.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mark Hansen]

On 01/25/06 13:58, Blanche wrote:
> Montblack > wrote:
>>Significant Other is already lining up vacation days for '06 OSH dates -
>>she's not sure what she'll do, but it won't be with me! She loves her week
>>home ....alone.
>
>
> She can join me in Las Vegas!
>
> 1) air conditioning
>
> 2) room service
>

.... Husband's credit cards ;-\

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>She can join me in Las Vegas!
>>
>>1) air conditioning
>>
>>2) room service
>
>
> Vegas is a winter sport. We're planning to partake of its wonders in March.
>
> In July, it's a blast furnace.

I don't know. I was there this past June (14th through 29th) and it
wasn't bad. 109 a couple of days, but it really is a dry heat and it
felt very comfortable to someone used to 95/95 here in PA during some
summer days. 109/3 (yes, the RH was 3%!!) was very comfortable. And I
could exit the pool at the hotel, and during the approximately 100 yard
walk back to my room, have my hair completely dry (OK, there isn't THAT
much to dry) and my swim trunks would be nearly dry. It was amazing...


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>The freshly retired United pilot and his wife, in their brand spank'n new
>>mobile home complete with canopy porch and porch furniture, almost wet
>>themselves when they saw my predicament. <g>
>>
>>Next morning I was at Wally-World buying a 20" high "Twin" air mattress.
>>Ahh, dignity restored.
>
>
> Ah, but there are other visual images, too. Let's not forget OSH '04, with
> Montblack camped next to us in a driving, all-night rain, sitting upright in
> a chair, inside a tent WITHOUT a rain fly, holding an umbrella to stay
> dry...

Now there's a man who knows how to have a good time! :-)

Matt

[Jay Honeck]

>> In July, it's a blast furnace.
>
> I don't know. I was there this past June (14th through 29th) and it
> wasn't bad. 109 a couple of days, but it really is a dry heat and it felt
> very comfortable to someone used to 95/95 here in PA during some summer
> days. 109/3 (yes, the RH was 3%!!) was very comfortable. And I could
> exit the pool at the hotel, and during the approximately 100 yard walk
> back to my room, have my hair completely dry (OK, there isn't THAT much to
> dry) and my swim trunks would be nearly dry. It was amazing...

My parents used to spend winters in Vegas. At that time of year, it's a
wonderful place to live and work.

I was there in June once. It was 117 degrees on the strip, and it was
incredible. You literally desiccated as you walked, and didn't even realize
you were dying, since the sweat evaporated immediately.

It didn't feel any worse than 95 in Iowa -- but that's bad enough to make me
not want to go back in summer.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>In July, it's a blast furnace.
>>
>>I don't know. I was there this past June (14th through 29th) and it
>>wasn't bad. 109 a couple of days, but it really is a dry heat and it felt
>>very comfortable to someone used to 95/95 here in PA during some summer
>>days. 109/3 (yes, the RH was 3%!!) was very comfortable. And I could
>>exit the pool at the hotel, and during the approximately 100 yard walk
>>back to my room, have my hair completely dry (OK, there isn't THAT much to
>>dry) and my swim trunks would be nearly dry. It was amazing...
>
>
> My parents used to spend winters in Vegas. At that time of year, it's a
> wonderful place to live and work.
>
> I was there in June once. It was 117 degrees on the strip, and it was
> incredible. You literally desiccated as you walked, and didn't even realize
> you were dying, since the sweat evaporated immediately.
>
> It didn't feel any worse than 95 in Iowa -- but that's bad enough to make me
> not want to go back in summer.

I guess it depends on your preferences. I'm a heavy sweater and I hate
humidity. Here in PA in the summer, the humidity is rather nasty. Not
as bad as New Orleans, but still pretty bad.

The few times I've been to the southwest, I've just loved it. As long
as I keep drinking, I stay very comfortable even above 110 (I was in
Phoenix in mid-July a few years ago). Maybe 120 would get to be
uncomfortable, but I think I could even take that.

When I retire, I'll probably just stay in PA as I was born here and
probably will never leave, but if I do move, I won't go to Florida as
most in this area do. I'll head to NM, AZ, NV or maybe even CO. I'm
not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this many
years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!


Matt

[Peter R.]

Matt Whiting > wrote:

> I'm a heavy sweater
<snip>

Your wife must really love you during those cold, PA winters. :)

--
Peter

[Matt Whiting]

Peter R. wrote:

> Matt Whiting > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm a heavy sweater
>
> <snip>
>
> Your wife must really love you during those cold, PA winters. :)
>

Luckily, I don't sweat much during the winter! :-) I do give off a lot
of heat, though, so she says she sees no need for an electric blanket...


Matt

[Ian Donaldson]

Work, other people's work, is an intolerable idea to a cat. Can you picture
cats herding sheep or agreeing to pull a cart? They will not inconvenience
themselves to the slightest degree.
--Dr. Louis J. Camuti


Regards

Ian


>> Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .

[Rich S.]

ROTFLMAO!

Rich S.
Servant to Bootsie and Ms. T.

"Ian Donaldson" > wrote in message
...
>
> Work, other people's work, is an intolerable idea to a cat. Can you
> picture cats herding sheep or agreeing to pull a cart? They will not
> inconvenience themselves to the slightest degree.
> --Dr. Louis J. Camuti
>
>
> Regards
>
> Ian
>
>
>>> Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. . .
>
>

[Montblack]

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
> I don't know. I was there this past June (14th through 29th) and it
> wasn't bad. 109 a couple of days, but it really is a dry heat and it felt
> very comfortable to someone used to 95/95 here in PA during some summer
> days. 109/3 (yes, the RH was 3%!!) was very comfortable. And I could
> exit the pool at the hotel, and during the approximately 100 yard walk
> back to my room, have my hair completely dry (OK, there isn't THAT much to
> dry) and my swim trunks would be nearly dry. It was amazing...


We were in Elko, NV (EKO - elev. 5,140 ft) last July, a week before OSH, and
the weather was ....perfect! 95, 100, 105. We rented a Mustang convertible.
The High Desert was surprisingly green - it rained a little bit one evening
while we were there. It had been an unusually wet spring that year, also.

No sweating in the heat. I drank water from a 32oz PowerAid bottle. We kept
2 gallons of water with us - in the trunk - when we went exploring. In the
mountains I filled up my bottle with snow-melt that ran in cold streams,
down the rocky face of the slopes, next to the road.

I'd go back to the High Desert in July.

Last time I was in Las Vegas was 1988 - October. Weather was fine :-)


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Ah, but there are other visual images, too. Let's not forget OSH '04,
> with Montblack camped next to us in a driving, all-night rain, sitting
> upright in a chair, inside a tent WITHOUT a rain fly, holding an umbrella
> to stay dry...
>
> Have you ever heard from your tent-mate again?


The 18 year old niece (fresh from OzFest or some other Somerset, Wis three
day party) said, "Here's the tent, it's fine." It was her 12' x 12'
stand-up-inside tent we used for the week.

Well, all was not fine. After a good night's soak'n we got up the next
morning, went to Target, and bought a BIG brown plastic tarp. That worked
for water coming in from the top - although sleeping in the tent with that
tarp over us, during any kind of wind, sounded like we'd set up house inside
a snare drum.

....then there was the 'flood from below' on our last night. Ahh, good times!

I run into tent-mate Connie all the time. She laughs ...I think so as not to
cry. <g>


Montblack

[Blanche]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
Blanche wrote:
>> She can join me in Las Vegas!
>>
>> 1) air conditioning
>>
>> 2) room service
>
>Vegas is a winter sport. We're planning to partake of its wonders in March.
>
>In July, it's a blast furnace.

I repeat....air conditioning

(I grew up in Phoenix)

[George Patterson]

Matt Whiting wrote:

> As long as I keep drinking, I stay very comfortable ...

Me too! :-)

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[wmbjk]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:19 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

> I'm
>not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this many
>years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!

Due to popular demand we've recently added some mountains here in AZ
Matt. We put in both the relatively cheap rural home-power kind, and
the pricey closer-to-town McMansion type. I chose the scattered
low-trees and dense cactus variety, and a friend bought a bunch of the
what-the-hell-takes-pine tar-off-six-vehicles flavor. There should be
something left over that suits you. ;-)

Wayne

[Jay Honeck]

>>In July, it's a blast furnace.
>
> I repeat....air conditioning
>
> (I grew up in Phoenix)

Well, heck, if you're gonna stay inside all the time, the living is easy
pretty much anywhere nowadays...

Minneapolis is nice this time of year, under those criteria...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Well, heck, if you're gonna stay inside all the time, the living is easy
> pretty much anywhere nowadays...
>
> Minneapolis is nice this time of year, under those criteria...


High of 46 F today. No clouds. That's T-shirt weather in Minnesota!

"Honey, where's my Rollerblades?"

Unfortunately, the Ice Sculptures for The St. Paul Winter Carnival are
melting. :-(


Montblack
Speaking of indoors - Camp Snoopy is no more. MOA could not come to license
agreement with ...Snoopy. All Peanuts characters are gone. Don't know what
the new name will be. It's now call "The Park at Mall of America." Wonder
what the consulting fee was for that gem? :-)

[RST Engineering]

All my friends got together and bought me a sweater for my birthday. I
wanted a moaner or a screamer, but that little sweater is kind of cute.

{;-)


JIm



>
>> I'm a heavy sweater
> <snip>
>
> Your wife must really love you during those cold, PA winters. :)

[RST Engineering]

It's not a well known fact, but if the dorms are full, there are sleeping
bags and air mattresses in the TV/rec room on every floor of every dorm. As
yet, the campus cops haven't rousted anybody out that I know of.

Jim


"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Jim Burns" wrote)
>> I've never met another man with so much luck when it comes to winning
>> houseing... first the Alexis Park Inn Name that Suite Sweepstakes and now
>> the Jim and Gail Great OSH Dorm Reservation Transfer! What in the world
>> am I going to tell my kids when they ask why Paul isn't staying at our
>> house one night this year??!! They'll be heartbroken. :(
>
>
> Hey, a sleep over in the dorms! I've got a couple of extra 20" high
> airmattresses. <g>
>
> All we'll need are some 4x4's, lag bolts, a cordless drill, and, oh yeah -
> popcorn!
>
>
> Montblack
> This year bring the kids, they'd have a blast. Plus, it's a hell of a lot
> cheaper than paying babysitters! :-)

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
> All my friends got together and bought me a sweater for my birthday. I
> wanted a moaner or a screamer, but that little sweater is kind of cute.


M*A*S*H (1970)
Hawkeye Pierce: ...Would you say that she was a moaner, Frank? Seriously
Frank. I mean, does she go "ooooh" or does she lie there quiet and not do
anything at all?
Frank Burns: Keep your filthy mouth to yourself.
Hawkeye Pierce: Or does she go "uh-uh-uh"?
[Frank leaps over the table and attacks Hawkeye]


Montblack
On 'role playing night' I'm generally assigned the part of hot water bottle.
<g>

"...Why can't I direct?"

[Richard Lamb]

Montblack wrote:

> ("RST Engineering" wrote)
>
>> All my friends got together and bought me a sweater for my birthday.
>> I wanted a moaner or a screamer, but that little sweater is kind of cute.
>
>
>
> M*A*S*H (1970)
> Hawkeye Pierce: ...Would you say that she was a moaner, Frank? Seriously
> Frank. I mean, does she go "ooooh" or does she lie there quiet and not
> do anything at all?
> Frank Burns: Keep your filthy mouth to yourself.
> Hawkeye Pierce: Or does she go "uh-uh-uh"?
> [Frank leaps over the table and attacks Hawkeye]
>
>
> Montblack
> On 'role playing night' I'm generally assigned the part of hot water
> bottle. <g>
>
> "...Why can't I direct?"

Hey Henry, if I nail Hotlips and slug Hawkeys, can I go home?

[Matt Whiting]

wmbjk wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:19 GMT, Matt Whiting >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm
>>not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this many
>>years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!
>
>
> Due to popular demand we've recently added some mountains here in AZ
> Matt. We put in both the relatively cheap rural home-power kind, and
> the pricey closer-to-town McMansion type. I chose the scattered
> low-trees and dense cactus variety, and a friend bought a bunch of the
> what-the-hell-takes-pine tar-off-six-vehicles flavor. There should be
> something left over that suits you. ;-)

Actually, I've driven thought a fair bit of AZ and the mountains are
nothing like the mountains of PA. Ours are green in the spring and
summer and multicolored in the fall. In the winter ours look a little
more like yours, however. :-)


Matt

[Jerry Springer]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> wmbjk wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:19 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this
>>> many years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Due to popular demand we've recently added some mountains here in AZ
>> Matt. We put in both the relatively cheap rural home-power kind, and
>> the pricey closer-to-town McMansion type. I chose the scattered
>> low-trees and dense cactus variety, and a friend bought a bunch of the
>> what-the-hell-takes-pine tar-off-six-vehicles flavor. There should be
>> something left over that suits you. ;-)
>
>
> Actually, I've driven thought a fair bit of AZ and the mountains are
> nothing like the mountains of PA. Ours are green in the spring and
> summer and multicolored in the fall. In the winter ours look a little
> more like yours, however. :-)
>
>
> Matt


You call those mountains in PA? :-)What is the highest hill about 3200ft?


Jerry

[Matt Whiting]

Jerry Springer wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> wmbjk wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:19 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this
>>>> many years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Due to popular demand we've recently added some mountains here in AZ
>>> Matt. We put in both the relatively cheap rural home-power kind, and
>>> the pricey closer-to-town McMansion type. I chose the scattered
>>> low-trees and dense cactus variety, and a friend bought a bunch of the
>>> what-the-hell-takes-pine tar-off-six-vehicles flavor. There should be
>>> something left over that suits you. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I've driven thought a fair bit of AZ and the mountains are
>> nothing like the mountains of PA. Ours are green in the spring and
>> summer and multicolored in the fall. In the winter ours look a little
>> more like yours, however. :-)
>>
>>
>> Matt
>
>
>
> You call those mountains in PA? :-)What is the highest hill about 3200ft?

It is quality, not quantity that counts. I just don't find piles of
rock all that attractive over time. We vacationed in the southwest this
past June, starting in Vegas and making a driving tour through AZ, CO,
UT and back to Vegas. It is fun driving through the desert, high plains
and rockies (Pikes Peak, etc.), and the different terrain is fun for a
while. But after two weeks, I was getting pretty tired of looking at
rock. :-)

Nothing like the trees and changes of season in PA. If it just wasn't
so humid in the summer and cold in the winter. :-)

Matt

[Bob Chilcoat]

The PA hills are nice, particularly to fly over. Too bad they had to use
stand-ins for them in The Deer Hunter. I guess the real ones just weren't
spectacular enough. Sure looked wrong in the movie.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> wmbjk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:55:19 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure I could stand to look at a desert every day after this
>>>>> many years of the PA mountains, but I do love the low humidity!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Due to popular demand we've recently added some mountains here in AZ
>>>> Matt. We put in both the relatively cheap rural home-power kind, and
>>>> the pricey closer-to-town McMansion type. I chose the scattered
>>>> low-trees and dense cactus variety, and a friend bought a bunch of the
>>>> what-the-hell-takes-pine tar-off-six-vehicles flavor. There should be
>>>> something left over that suits you. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I've driven thought a fair bit of AZ and the mountains are
>>> nothing like the mountains of PA. Ours are green in the spring and
>>> summer and multicolored in the fall. In the winter ours look a little
>>> more like yours, however. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> You call those mountains in PA? :-)What is the highest hill about 3200ft?
>
> It is quality, not quantity that counts. I just don't find piles of rock
> all that attractive over time. We vacationed in the southwest this past
> June, starting in Vegas and making a driving tour through AZ, CO, UT and
> back to Vegas. It is fun driving through the desert, high plains and
> rockies (Pikes Peak, etc.), and the different terrain is fun for a while.
> But after two weeks, I was getting pretty tired of looking at rock. :-)
>
> Nothing like the trees and changes of season in PA. If it just wasn't so
> humid in the summer and cold in the winter. :-)
>
> Matt

[Jay Honeck]

>> Minneapolis is nice this time of year, under those criteria...
>
>
> High of 46 F today. No clouds. That's T-shirt weather in Minnesota!

Yeah, we hit the low 50s here in Iowa. Mary and I were furniture shopping
(for the Jim Weir Memorial Apollo Suite) in shirt-sleeves!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

And that's all??? OOOOh, can I watch?

Jim




>
> Yeah, we hit the low 50s here in Iowa. Mary and I were furniture shopping
> (for the Jim Weir Memorial Apollo Suite) in shirt-sleeves!

[Matt Whiting]

Bob Chilcoat wrote:

> The PA hills are nice, particularly to fly over. Too bad they had to use
> stand-ins for them in The Deer Hunter. I guess the real ones just weren't
> spectacular enough. Sure looked wrong in the movie.
>

I never saw that movie. Where was it filmed?

Matt

[Bob Chilcoat]

I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand Tetons
than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Chilcoat wrote:
>
>> The PA hills are nice, particularly to fly over. Too bad they had to use
>> stand-ins for them in The Deer Hunter. I guess the real ones just
>> weren't spectacular enough. Sure looked wrong in the movie.
>>
>
> I never saw that movie. Where was it filmed?
>
> Matt

[George Patterson]

Bob Chilcoat wrote:
> I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand Tetons
> than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
> the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.

Found on http://w3.gwis.com/~dml/tdh -- "I received an E-Mail from Dwight Postma
of Lynden, WA, with the locations of the mountains in some of the hunting
scenes. According to Dwight, the scene where Mike won't let Stan use his boots
was filmed near Mt. Baker on the Glacier Creek Road. The mountain in the
background in the scene when Mike throws John's pistol away is Mt. Shuksan,
which stands 7 miles from Mt. Baker. The large waterfall Mike sits next to is
Nooksack Falls, just off the Mt. Baker highway."

Mt. Baker is in Washington.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:03:23 -0500, "Bob Chilcoat"
> wrote:

>I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand Tetons
>than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
>the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.
>
>--
>Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)
>
>
>"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
>> Bob Chilcoat wrote:
>>
>>> The PA hills are nice, particularly to fly over. Too bad they had to use
>>> stand-ins for them in The Deer Hunter. I guess the real ones just
>>> weren't spectacular enough. Sure looked wrong in the movie.
>>>
>>
>> I never saw that movie. Where was it filmed?
>>
>> Matt

I think you're right Bob. I didn't think the mountain scenes looked
right for Pennsylvania either, and they weren't: The scenes were
filmed at Lake Chelan Washington, and Mt Baker Washington.

Google is your friend...

Corky Scott

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Bob Chilcoat" > writes:

> I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand Tetons
> than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
> the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.

Ah, the "timberline" (I usually say "tree line"); one of the defining
features of a "mountain" IMHO. People have tried to tell me there are
mountains to the east, but the ones I've seen look like the stuff
called "foothills" around places where there are *real* mountains (I'd
been exposed to the alps and the rockies and the sierra nevada before
I saw any of these so-called "mountains" out east, so I may have
gotten a kinda exaggerated definition in my head :-)).
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

[Bob Chilcoat]

OTOH, we have no trouble getting over the mountains in the east when the
density altitude is high.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob Chilcoat" > writes:
>
>> I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand
>> Tetons
>> than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
>> the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.
>
> Ah, the "timberline" (I usually say "tree line"); one of the defining
> features of a "mountain" IMHO. People have tried to tell me there are
> mountains to the east, but the ones I've seen look like the stuff
> called "foothills" around places where there are *real* mountains (I'd
> been exposed to the alps and the rockies and the sierra nevada before
> I saw any of these so-called "mountains" out east, so I may have
> gotten a kinda exaggerated definition in my head :-)).
> --
> David Dyer-Bennet, >, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
> RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/>
> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

[Bob Chilcoat]

It's been a long time since I saw the movie. More recently, my son
graduated from Western Washington University in Bellingham. I've been to
Nooksack falls while we were visiting him out there, but didn't recognize
the falls (or the mountains) from the movie. Beautiful country out there,
but it don't look anything like PA.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:mLsCf.1237$5G.860@trnddc08...

>
> Mt. Baker is in Washington.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[Matt Whiting]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> "Bob Chilcoat" > writes:
>
>
>>I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand Tetons
>>than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered cliffs, above
>>the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever seen in PA.
>
>
> Ah, the "timberline" (I usually say "tree line"); one of the defining
> features of a "mountain" IMHO. People have tried to tell me there are
> mountains to the east, but the ones I've seen look like the stuff
> called "foothills" around places where there are *real* mountains (I'd
> been exposed to the alps and the rockies and the sierra nevada before
> I saw any of these so-called "mountains" out east, so I may have
> gotten a kinda exaggerated definition in my head :-)).

They are all mountains. Ours are just much more mature than your young
whippersnappers. :-)


Matt

[kd5sak]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> They are all mountains. Ours are just much more mature than your young
> whippersnappers. :-)
>
>
> Matt

I guess then, that the mountain roots in southern Oklahoma that we refer to
as the Arbuckle mountains are reeeeally mature. Those mountains saw the
dinosaurs come and go and the southern 5 miles of the range were cut into a
plain by the surf of the sea that covered parts of Oklahoma and Texas at the
time. I believe the mountains in the movie "Oklahoma" were actually in
Arizona. Looked good on screen, though, and made a heckuva backdrop for a
young (and nubile) Shirley Jones. Actually I don't know if she was shot in
front of them, if so I probably wasn't looking at the geology anyway.

Harold Burton

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Ian Donaldson > wrote:
>
>Work, other people's work, is an intolerable idea to a cat. Can you picture
>cats herding sheep or agreeing to pull a cart? They will not inconvenience
>themselves to the slightest degree.
>--Dr. Louis J. Camuti


Not _absoulutely_ true. We had a cat that was, on occasion, known to herd
dogs. When some 'stranger' made the mistake of trespassing on our property,
that is. It's rather funny to see a full-size standard poodle in full flight,
being pursued by a circa 20 lb tiger-striped American Shorthair. Especially
since the cat would abort the pursuit as soon as the dog crossed the property-
line, outgoing.

[Montblack]

("kd5sak" wrote)
> I guess then, that the mountain roots in southern Oklahoma that we refer
> to as the Arbuckle mountains are reeeeally mature. Those mountains saw the
> dinosaurs come and go and the southern 5 miles of the range were cut into
> a plain by the surf of the sea that covered parts of Oklahoma and Texas at
> the time.


3.7 BILLION year old rocks can be seen (walked on, touched) in Voyageurs
National Park, Blue Mound State Park and other places around Minnesota.
These are some of the oldest rocks on the planet. Dinosaurs - Ha!


Montblack :-)

[Scott]

Isn't it the other way around? Ususlly the smaller rounded mountains
like out East are OLDER and thus more worn down? Our "mountains" here
in Wisconsin, I've heard, had peaks higher than those in the Rockies,
but they lost their tops to glaciers over the years. May be an urban
legend, though....;)

Scott


Matt Whiting wrote:
> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>> "Bob Chilcoat" > writes:
>>
>>
>>> I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand
>>> Tetons than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered
>>> cliffs, above the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever
>>> seen in PA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah, the "timberline" (I usually say "tree line"); one of the defining
>> features of a "mountain" IMHO. People have tried to tell me there are
>> mountains to the east, but the ones I've seen look like the stuff
>> called "foothills" around places where there are *real* mountains (I'd
>> been exposed to the alps and the rockies and the sierra nevada before
>> I saw any of these so-called "mountains" out east, so I may have
>> gotten a kinda exaggerated definition in my head :-)).
>
>
> They are all mountains. Ours are just much more mature than your young
> whippersnappers. :-)
>
>
> Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Scott wrote:

> Isn't it the other way around? Ususlly the smaller rounded mountains
> like out East are OLDER and thus more worn down? Our "mountains" here
> in Wisconsin, I've heard, had peaks higher than those in the Rockies,
> but they lost their tops to glaciers over the years. May be an urban
> legend, though....;)
>
> Scott
>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob Chilcoat" > writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure, but they were much more like the Rockies or the Grand
>>>> Tetons than the Appalachians. Huge, craggy, granite, snow-covered
>>>> cliffs, above the timberline in many cases. Nothing like I've ever
>>>> seen in PA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, the "timberline" (I usually say "tree line"); one of the defining
>>> features of a "mountain" IMHO. People have tried to tell me there are
>>> mountains to the east, but the ones I've seen look like the stuff
>>> called "foothills" around places where there are *real* mountains (I'd
>>> been exposed to the alps and the rockies and the sierra nevada before
>>> I saw any of these so-called "mountains" out east, so I may have
>>> gotten a kinda exaggerated definition in my head :-)).
>>
>>
>>
>> They are all mountains. Ours are just much more mature than your
>> young whippersnappers. :-)
>>
>>
>> Matt

No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains are
much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.


Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> Isn't it the other way around? Ususlly the smaller rounded mountains like
> out East are OLDER and thus more worn down? Our "mountains" here in
> Wisconsin, I've heard, had peaks higher than those in the Rockies, but
> they lost their tops to glaciers over the years. May be an urban legend,
> though....;)

Wouldn't that be a "rural legend"? :-)

I've always been fascinated by seeing the old "mountain ranges" as you fly
over Midwestern farmland at sunset. Here in Iowa it's easy to fly over
literally hundreds of square miles of cultivated land, broken only by the
road grid and some farm buildings. At this time of year, when the sunlight
seems exceptionally severe, and with the sunlight at the extreme angle of
sunset, you can see the remnants of gigantic ridges and long, rambling
ranges lurking just beneath the surface of that 18-inch-deep black soil.

Of course, it helps that all the snow is gone, for the moment.

This is a seldom-seen (and never, to my knowledge, discussed) sight,
probably because seeing it is so rare. Most of the year, it's completely
invisible beneath the snow, corn and soybeans, and they're only visible for
a few minutes as the sun goes down -- but it's really something to see when
the land is barren, as it is now.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Isn't it the other way around? Ususlly the smaller rounded mountains like
>>out East are OLDER and thus more worn down? Our "mountains" here in
>>Wisconsin, I've heard, had peaks higher than those in the Rockies, but
>>they lost their tops to glaciers over the years. May be an urban legend,
>>though....;)
>
>
> Wouldn't that be a "rural legend"? :-)

No. Most rural folks have enough common sense to not fall for such
legends. :-)

Matt

[Newps]

Matt Whiting wrote:


>
> No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains are
> much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.

Although never as high as the Rockies to start with.

[Matt Whiting]

Newps wrote:
>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>
>> No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains are
>> much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.
>
>
> Although never as high as the Rockies to start with.
>
>

Were you there when they were created?

Matt

[Michael]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:58:32 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

>Newps wrote:
>>
>>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains are
>>> much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.
>>
>>
>> Although never as high as the Rockies to start with.
>>
>>
>
>Were you there when they were created?
>
>Matt


Having recently returned from a week vacation in Texas, I can answer
these questions - the oldest, biggest, most important and greatest
mountain ranges were in Texas. Along with the biggest and best of
everything else in existence. I really like Texas, but among the many
claims made by the state, they should include biggest inferiority
complex. I've never encountered so much state chauvinism, and if I see
another five pointed star I might puke.

Good bbq and tex-mex, though...

Michael

[Allen]

"Michael" > wrote in message
...
>
> Having recently returned from a week vacation in Texas, I can answer
> these questions - the oldest, biggest, most important and greatest
> mountain ranges were in Texas. Along with the biggest and best of
> everything else in existence. I really like Texas, but among the many
> claims made by the state, they should include biggest inferiority
> complex. I've never encountered so much state chauvinism, and if I see
> another five pointed star I might puke.
>
> Good bbq and tex-mex, though...
>
> Michael

"I never ask someone where they're from. I figure if they're from Texas,
they tell me. If not, I don't want to embarrass them." - Don Meredith

: )

[Newps]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Newps wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains are
>>> much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although never as high as the Rockies to start with.
>>
>>
>
> Were you there when they were created?

And that's relavant how?

[Matt Whiting]

Newps wrote:
>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Newps wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I said exactly what you said. I live in PA and our mountains
>>>> are much older than the rockies and thus worn down much more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Although never as high as the Rockies to start with.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Were you there when they were created?
>
>
> And that's relavant how?
>

That is the only way to know for sure how high they were at the start.

Matt

[Newps]

Matt Whiting wrote:

>
> That is the only way to know for sure how high they were at the start.

No, it's not.

[Matt Whiting]

Newps wrote:
>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>
>> That is the only way to know for sure how high they were at the start.
>
>
> No, it's not.

Sorry, but it is. Everything else is speculation.

Matt

[Newps]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Newps wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is the only way to know for sure how high they were at the start.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, it's not.
>
>
> Sorry, but it is. Everything else is speculation.

The sceintists have it nailed down better than that.

[Matt Whiting]

Newps wrote:

>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Newps wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is the only way to know for sure how high they were at the start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, it's not.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but it is. Everything else is speculation.
>
>
> The sceintists have it nailed down better than that.

No, even scientists are making at best educated guesses. And faults in
their techniques are uncovered from time to time as well. Scientists
know nothing "for certain", they simply have evidence that supports a
certain possibility or set of possibilities, but that is far from being
certain knowledge.


Matt

[Jack Allison]

My sincere condolences on your loss Jim. Those furry critters become
such a part of our family that it really does hurt when they're gone.
Been there/done that twice last year with our aging dogs. The house is
strangely quiet without the clitter clatter of claws on the hardwood floors.

I'll miss the left coast convoy and a chance to try meeting up at Tooele
Valley for fuel on the way to OSH but there's always next year.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[John Ammeter]

Our dog (actually, he owns us but don't tell anyone) goes to Doggie
Daycare Bed and Breakfast when we travel. He gets to play for 4 hours
in the AM, a meal at noon and then, at 2:00, 4 more hours until the next
meal at 6:00. They separate the dogs into two groups. One group for
smaller dogs and dogs that play nice... the other group is for bigger
dogs and dogs that roughhouse a lot.

We left our guy there for 4 days last Fall and, when we picked him up,
he slept solid for the next two days. They said he ate vigorously,
loved to chase and be chased and, in general, had a romping good time.

John

Blanche wrote:
> George Patterson > wrote:
>
>>I understand that. We spent Christmas with my mother in Tennessee this year,
>>which meant our coonhound spent five days in a kennel. She lost about 5 pounds
>>-- just refused to eat. Next time we go, we're taking her with us and putting
>>her in a kennel down there. Then we can visit her every day.
>
>
> My parents used to do that when they went to Las Vegas, NV. It was a
> 6-7 hour drive from Phoenix, dog went everywhere with them. Dog spent
> the night at the kennel, spent the day with them. Precursor to
> doggie daycare!
>