I took the garbage out tonight

[John Clonts]

You know that life is good, when your garbage bin contains 12 empty quarts
of aeroshell W100, and 6 empty MGD bottles.

Today I installed the oil "quick change" valve, then went flying for 30
minutes, then changed the oil. Oh that makes it SO much easier! No safety
wire, no "channeling" the oil to a container. I have 3/8" tubing connected
to the valve so I just fed it into a milk jug. Jug full, pinch tubing, next
jug, etc. Hardly even needed a rag!

Then this evening I took Nicole back to Abilene. I invited my Vietnamese
friend to go along. It was a smooth starry flight. Filed IFR both ways but
just got flight following on the way back so I could let Paul fly. I had a
six-pack on ice back at the hanger for our debriefing. We cleaned up the
plane. I showed him how "safety wiring" works, and we discussed some
politics-- that Tytler quote*. He has some rather uplifting views of
America, refugeed at 14 from Saigon in '75 just two weeks before it fell.
We noted that flying to Abilene and back and enjoying a six-pack with a
friend-- with nobody's permission-- were examples of great American
freedoms. Like he put it, "It doesn't get any better than this".

Just felt like sharing...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

*Sir Alex Fraser Tytler, in 1801: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they
can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on,
the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits
from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses
over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

[nrp]

Be sure to remove the 3/8 tubing after draining. A classic accident
some years ago pushed the quickdrain open on gear retraction (or
whatever).

Nice to hear.

[Jim Burns]

> You know that life is good, when your garbage bin contains 12 empty quarts
> of aeroshell W100, and 6 empty MGD bottles.

Or when you show up at the airport 9am on a Sunday when it's 600 and 1/4 and
there's already 6 other guys hanger flying and drinking coffee, but not a
single airplane is pulled from the hanger. A nice reminder that flying is
really about the people, not the airplanes.

Jim

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "JC" == John Clonts > writes:
JC> *Sir Alex Fraser Tytler, in 1801:
JC> "...with the result that a democracy always
JC> collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a
JC> dictatorship."

I think we're there now, all in the same administration.

[Marco Leon]

"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
> >>>>> "JC" == John Clonts > writes:
> JC> *Sir Alex Fraser Tytler, in 1801:
> JC> "...with the result that a democracy always
> JC> collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a
> JC> dictatorship."
>
> I think we're there now, all in the same administration.

Please stop trying to degrade the post to an off-topic political rant.

GA flying in the US is by far the most unrestrictive and accessible in the
world. Enjoy it, protect it, and appreciate it.




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[Ben Jackson]

On 2006-01-30, John Clonts > wrote:
> I have 3/8" tubing connected
> to the valve so I just fed it into a milk jug. Jug full, pinch tubing, next
> jug, etc. Hardly even needed a rag!

The quickdrain is great. Beware that if you leave it open for a while,
eventually the oil will drain around the outside of it and down the
outside of your tube. I've left mine to drain overnight before and
had that happen.

I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
at a nearby airport.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Newps]

Ben Jackson wrote:

>
>
> The quickdrain is great. Beware that if you leave it open for a while,
> eventually the oil will drain around the outside of it and down the
> outside of your tube. I've left mine to drain overnight before and
> had that happen.

How can this happen? I bought a clear piece of poly tubing from the
hardare store that I put on the quick drain and then go home and finish
the job the next day. Never once in 9 years of changing oil has oil
somehow got onto the outside of the tubing.


>
> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
> these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
> at a nearby airport.
>

See if there's somebody you know that uses an oil burner to heat their
shop or garage. I have a 55 gallon drum in the hangar that friends
around the airport come and put their waste oil in. When it gets about
3/4 full i call my buddy and he comes and gets it.

[Jim Burns]

I've had that happen also. It seems to come out of the slot in the quick
drain that the "handles" extend through, only when they are pushed up and
locked. I don't get a lot, just enough that make me wipe the tube off when
I'm done.
Jim

[[email protected]]

Jim Burns > wrote:
: I've had that happen also. It seems to come out of the slot in the quick
: drain that the "handles" extend through, only when they are pushed up and
: locked. I don't get a lot, just enough that make me wipe the tube off when
: I'm done.
: Jim

Agreed... it only does it when it's open and locked. Doesn't drain much, but
enough to have to wipe the outside a bit.

-Cory


--

************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

[John Clonts]

>The quickdrain is great. Beware that if you leave it open for a while,
>eventually the oil will drain around the outside of it and down the
>outside of your tube. I've left mine to drain overnight before and
>had that happen.

Thanks for the caution, but I don't think that's an issue on mine.
Mine's a two-piece ("low profile") version where the part with the
tubing on it screws onto the fixed "drain-plug" part, opening it as you
screw it on.

Cheers,
John

[john smith]

> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
> these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
> at a nearby airport.

If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
left in contact with each other. Don't leave the jugs on the hangar
floor unless you want to clean a gooey mess. Is your hangar floor
epoxied?

[Ben Jackson]

On 2006-01-30, Newps > wrote:
>
> How can this happen? I bought a clear piece of poly tubing from the
> hardare store that I put on the quick drain and then go home and finish
> the job the next day. Never once in 9 years of changing oil has oil
> somehow got onto the outside of the tubing.

Not sure since I haven't seen the inside of the valve, but the part
you push up and lock to drain it is the smaller cylinder. The oil
normally drains through it into the tubing, but apparently it *can*
seep around the top of the plunger part when it's locked open. Maybe
it's a sign of a problem with the valve, which I hadn't considered.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Ben Jackson]

On 2006-01-31, john smith > wrote:
>> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
>> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling.
>
> If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
> sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
> left in contact with each other.

Good to know. I actually have no milk jugs at all, so the oil is in
plastic buckets that originally held cat litter. It hadn't occured to
me to check for oil/plastic compatibility. The next vehicle I buy will
be suitable for hauling buckets of oil to somewhere I can dispose of it.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Jay Honeck]

> GA flying in the US is by far the most unrestrictive and accessible in the
> world. Enjoy it, protect it, and appreciate it.

Bravo! For once, a positive statement about flying.

Thanks, Marco. I needed that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

Won't your FBO take it? I just take mine to the mechanic and dump it in
his sump. He does not mind. Our local Wal-Mart received old engine oil
at no charge. I would suspect the quick change oil places would do the same.

Ross
KSWI

Ben Jackson wrote:

> On 2006-01-31, john smith > wrote:
>
>>>I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
>>>don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling.
>>
>>If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
>>sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
>>left in contact with each other.
>
>
> Good to know. I actually have no milk jugs at all, so the oil is in
> plastic buckets that originally held cat litter. It hadn't occured to
> me to check for oil/plastic compatibility. The next vehicle I buy will
> be suitable for hauling buckets of oil to somewhere I can dispose of it.
>

[[email protected]]

Ross Richardson > wrote:
: Won't your FBO take it? I just take mine to the mechanic and dump it in
: his sump. He does not mind. Our local Wal-Mart received old engine oil
: at no charge. I would suspect the quick change oil places would do the same.

You should not take aircraft oil to an automotive waste oil dump from what
I've heard. They no longer expect to see the lead in the oil from 100LL.

-Cory

--

************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
>> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
>> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
>> these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
>> at a nearby airport.
>
> If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
> sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
> left in contact with each other. Don't leave the jugs on the hangar
> floor unless you want to clean a gooey mess. Is your hangar floor
> epoxied?

You've had this happen, or you "heard about it"?

I've had old oil sit in milk jugs for a couple of years on the garage floor
(You never know when it might come in handy, right? :-) ). Never had a
problem.

--
Geoff
the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
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[Jim Burns]

Try a farm implement dealer, a semi truck and trailer service center, a
dealer, or a quick lube. Remember, these guys get paid for their waste oil,
just like we do here at the farm. And the people that buy it from us really
don't care too much what it contains. I know ours contains diesel engine
oil, gasoline engine oil, (from both leaded and unleaded gas) hydraulic oil,
brake fluid, heavy oils, water, soap, detergents, washer fluid... just about
anything. My brother in law also drives a pickup route for one of these
companies, he goes from the quick lubes right to the airports in the area
and it all goes in the same tank. The company that he works for, filters
it, thins it with fuel oil, and sells it as a #4 furnace oil for industrial
furnaces.
Jim

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> On 2006-01-31, john smith > wrote:
> >> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
> >> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling.
> >
> > If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
> > sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
> > left in contact with each other.
>
> Good to know. I actually have no milk jugs at all, so the oil is in
> plastic buckets that originally held cat litter. It hadn't occured to
> me to check for oil/plastic compatibility. The next vehicle I buy will
> be suitable for hauling buckets of oil to somewhere I can dispose of it.
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/

[john smith]

In article >,
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote:

> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
> >> don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
> >> these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
> >> at a nearby airport.

> > If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
> > sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
> > left in contact with each other. Don't leave the jugs on the hangar
> > floor unless you want to clean a gooey mess. Is your hangar floor
> > epoxied?

> You've had this happen, or you "heard about it"?

I have it happen... repeatedly!
After draining my oil, I inevitably leave it sit instead of taking it to
a drop off site right away.
I then have to scoop it into multiple polyethelynene trash bags and
scoure the congrete to get as much of the oil out of it as possible.
As we speak, I have two jugs from last summer still sitting here taking
up space.

[Ross Richardson]

I HAD one milk jug leak oil over my garage floor. The bottom fell out
when I picked it up. It had been in there about a month.

Ross
KSWI

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:

> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>I've got a few gallons of used oil in the hangar in buckets since I
>>>don't drink enough milk to put it all out for recycling. :) One of
>>>these days I need to schlep it over to the big oil recycling tank
>>>at a nearby airport.
>>
>>If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
>>sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
>>left in contact with each other. Don't leave the jugs on the hangar
>>floor unless you want to clean a gooey mess. Is your hangar floor
>>epoxied?
>
>
> You've had this happen, or you "heard about it"?
>
> I've had old oil sit in milk jugs for a couple of years on the garage floor
> (You never know when it might come in handy, right? :-) ). Never had a
> problem.
>
> --
> Geoff
> the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.
>
>

[Montblack]

("Ross Richardson" wrote)
>I HAD one milk jug leak oil over my garage floor. The bottom fell out when
>I picked it up. It had been in there about a month.


I had my first one leak last summer. They were sitting up off the floor on a
wooden step. One day there was a puddle of oil to clean up. Never had that
happen before. They had been there for many, many months.

For transporting to the oil dump/hazardous waste depot, I use a milk crate
lined with an open leaf bag. The jugs go in the bag.


Montblack

[John Clonts]

I used to store the waste oil in various containers, including milk
jugs, until the semi-annual city "hazardous waste day".

But as a result of this thread I have learned that ALL the local auto
stores accept the oil. So I have bought a 5 gal gas can which I will
use to store/transport the used oil.

I have quick-drains on all (4) of my vehicles so that is going to
streamline the whole oil change process for me.
--
Thanks!
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

[Ross Richardson]

What I did after the leaky milk carton was to buy a 2.5 gallon plastic
gas can and mark it "old Oil". I drain the oil into it and carry it to
the FBO's sump and it is gone.

Montblack wrote:

> ("Ross Richardson" wrote)
>
>> I HAD one milk jug leak oil over my garage floor. The bottom fell out
>> when I picked it up. It had been in there about a month.
>
>
>
> I had my first one leak last summer. They were sitting up off the floor
> on a wooden step. One day there was a puddle of oil to clean up. Never
> had that happen before. They had been there for many, many months.
>
> For transporting to the oil dump/hazardous waste depot, I use a milk
> crate lined with an open leaf bag. The jugs go in the bag.
>
>
> Montblack

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
<...>
> I have it happen... repeatedly!
> After draining my oil, I inevitably leave it sit instead of taking it to
> a drop off site right away.
> I then have to scoop it into multiple polyethelynene trash bags and
> scoure the congrete to get as much of the oil out of it as possible.
> As we speak, I have two jugs from last summer still sitting here taking
> up space.

OK. I guess all milk jugs are not created equal.

--
Geoff
the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
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Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.

[Jim Burns]

I use two of those 12 quart flat plastic containers that look like thin
suit-cases. They have a funnel that screws onto one opening so you can lay
them flat and the oil runs into them. Then to empty them you open a cover
near the handle to dump the oil. I just throw them in the back of my truck
when I'm done and empty them when I get to work the next day.
Jim

[videoguy]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...

> If those are polypropylene milk jugs, you don't want to leave them
> sitting very long. Polypropylene absorbs oil and will disintegrate if
> left in contact with each other. Don't leave the jugs on the hangar
> floor unless you want to clean a gooey mess. Is your hangar floor
> epoxied?

I save the heavier gallon jugs that the auto windshield washer/antifreeze
comes in. The squared jugs are the best I've found, but the round ones work
OK too. Possibly they are made from a slightly different plastic. I've
stored oil for more than a year w/o any leakage.

Gary Kasten