GNS430 Without the IAF

[Jerry]

Hello,

Here's a situation that keeps coming up: I'm coming home to SQL
and want to fly the GPS30
approach. Like many GPS approaches, this one looks like the letter
"L". The corner of the L
is AMEBY, and 5 miles later after that is the FAF, CUZUP.

AMEBY is not an IAF, but that doesn't stop ATC. Typically, from 40
miles out they say
something like "fly heading XXX when able direct AMEBY". Then when I'm
close, they'll
say "Cross Ameby at or above 3200, cleared for the San Carlos GPS30
approach".

Since AMEBY is not an IAF, it's not one of the GNS430 approach
choices. Which leaves
Vectors-to-final, but when you choose that, the guidance to AMEBY goes
away. Well, I think
the icon remains on the moving map.

The only solution I could think of was to cross AMEBY, and then
activate Vectors-to-Final.
When already on the approach, and already dealing with the precise
flying required on the approach.

Anybody got a better way?

- Jerry Kaidor

[Scott Skylane]

Jerry wrote:

/snip/
> Anybody got a better way?
>
> - Jerry Kaidor
>

Jerry,

While I have never flown a 430, I have flown several other IFR GPS's
(Trimble/Free Flight, Appolo/UPSAT), and on them, my solution would be
roughly as follows: Activate the approach via the JEFNY IAF. Fly the
assigned heading, until the approach mode initializes, then scroll
forward in the flight plan to the JIKPE-AMEBY leg. Select Direct TO
Ameby, and the approach should sequence normally after that. You may
even be able to do this before approach mode initialization, I'm just
not sure about Garmin's programming.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Brad]

Why not just select JEFNY,activate the approach, then on the active
flight plan screen, hit 'cursor', turn the outer knob to the right to
select 'AMEBY',press Direct (D->), ENTER,ENTER,and Bamm...you're direct
to AMEBY,sequenced for the approach.

[[email protected]]

Brad wrote:

> Why not just select JEFNY,activate the approach, then on the active
> flight plan screen, hit 'cursor', turn the outer knob to the right to
> select 'AMEBY',press Direct (D->), ENTER,ENTER,and Bamm...you're direct
> to AMEBY,sequenced for the approach.
>
Or, direct AMEBY then enter OBS mode and set up the correct course to AMEBY.

Lots of way to skin this cat.

[[email protected]]

As the others have said, scroll the full approach fpl to AMEBY, the
Direct, Enter, Enter.

This illustrates a general point - one should not be too quick to
activate "vectors-to-final" the instant one gets a vector. Reality is
that one isn't always vectored to a gate just prior to the FAF. You
can always select FAF, direct,direct,enter,enter to make the
intermediate leg activate when it turns out that is really where you
are going. Until then, leaving the full approach active leaves more
options, like the above.

Another local example is coming into LVK from the Modesto area. You
get vectored onto the localizer outside FOOTO, with final instructions
to cross FOOTO at or above xxxx. But if you activated VTF, FOOTO is
blown away - and FOOTO is the one thing you really wanted from the GPS,
since the localizer becomes primary for guidance.

I do it in the manner Tim suggested. Activate the full approach from
TRACY, select FOOTO, direct, enter, enter. Then go to OBS mode, setting
the OBS to 255 the inbound course of the extended localizer centerline.
Crossing FOOTO, go to leg mode.

Ed Williams










Jerry wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here's a situation that keeps coming up: I'm coming home to SQL
> and want to fly the GPS30
> approach. Like many GPS approaches, this one looks like the letter
> "L". The corner of the L
> is AMEBY, and 5 miles later after that is the FAF, CUZUP.
>
> AMEBY is not an IAF, but that doesn't stop ATC. Typically, from 40
> miles out they say
> something like "fly heading XXX when able direct AMEBY". Then when I'm
> close, they'll
> say "Cross Ameby at or above 3200, cleared for the San Carlos GPS30
> approach".
>
> Since AMEBY is not an IAF, it's not one of the GNS430 approach
> choices. Which leaves
> Vectors-to-final, but when you choose that, the guidance to AMEBY goes
> away. Well, I think
> the icon remains on the moving map.
>
> The only solution I could think of was to cross AMEBY, and then
> activate Vectors-to-Final.
> When already on the approach, and already dealing with the precise
> flying required on the approach.
>
> Anybody got a better way?
>
> - Jerry Kaidor

[[email protected]]

My answer is very simular to Brad's answer.

Activate your approach like you normally would (via JEFNY).

Then, when ATC gives you Fly XX Direct AMEBY, press the D-> button.
Using the outside nob, scroll to the FPL box. Using the inside nob,
dial to AMEBY.
ENTER ENTER twice, and you are on your way.

I find it's easier to use this than to use the flightplan screen.
Mostly because I don't have to change pages, then cursor, etc.

[Jerry]

And that's exactly what I did on my last flight. Worked perfect.

[Matt Barrow]

"Jerry" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> And that's exactly what I did on my last flight. Worked perfect.

What is?

(If you don't want everyone in on the thread, take it to email)

[Jerry]

What is?

....The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I was
the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
I wound up doing- might be of interest.

- Jerry

[Matt Barrow]

"Jerry" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> What is?
>
> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I was
> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>
The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.

I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)

[John Clonts]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Jerry" > wrote in message ups.com...
>> What is?
>>
>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I was
>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>>
> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
>
> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
>

Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >>> What is?
> >>>
> >>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I was
> >>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
> >>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
> >>>
> >> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
> >>
> >> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
> >>
> >
> > Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.
> Tell me a newsreader that shows long since deleted posts.

groups.google.com :-)

[Jerry]

I asked the original question on February 10th. Looks like your
news server is pretty quick on the trigger. Or misconfigured.
News is, in general, pretty brutal on the hardware. I once ran a small
news server on my Linux box - just a few groups. It physically BROKE
THE DISK from overuse.

It's pretty common for news servers to delete posts or threads quickly,
especially on the alt binaries newsgroups.

These days, I just use groups.google.com.

- Jerry Kaidor

[Mike Adams]

"Jerry" > wrote:

> I asked the original question on February 10th. Looks like your
> news server is pretty quick on the trigger. Or misconfigured.
> News is, in general, pretty brutal on the hardware. I once ran a small
> news server on my Linux box - just a few groups. It physically BROKE
> THE DISK from overuse.
>
> It's pretty common for news servers to delete posts or threads quickly,
> especially on the alt binaries newsgroups.

Jerry,

I just reloaded all the old articles and your original post is shown correctly threaded here. I'm on the Cox
news server using the Xnews reader.

Mike

[Matt Barrow]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
>> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>> >> ups.com...
>> >>> What is?
>> >>>
>> >>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I
>> >>> was
>> >>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I
>> >>> thought -what
>> >>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>> >>>
>> >> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
>> >>
>> >
>> > Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.
>> Tell me a newsreader that shows long since deleted posts.
>
> groups.google.com :-)

Thanks fer nuttin'

[Matt Barrow]

"Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/20/06 17:35, Matt Barrow wrote:
>> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com...
>>>>> What is?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I
>>>>> was
>>>>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
>>>>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>>>>>
>>>> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.
>> Tell me a newsreader that shows long since deleted posts.
>
> I had no problem. I use Mozilla 1.7.12 on Linux, but I've been using
> Netscape/Mozilla newsreaders for years and never had any problems
> with the threading of the news articles.
>
How long do you keep posts in your newsreader's cache? Til' a thread runs
out?

No, Clonts just had to stick his foot in it to cover a poster that posts
empty messages.

[Matt Barrow]

"Jerry" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I asked the original question on February 10th. Looks like your
> news server is pretty quick on the trigger. Or misconfigured.
> News is, in general, pretty brutal on the hardware. I once ran a small
> news server on my Linux box - just a few groups. It physically BROKE
> THE DISK from overuse.
>
> It's pretty common for news servers to delete posts or threads quickly,
> especially on the alt binaries newsgroups.

My ISP holds them for two to four weeks, but I delete all read posts after
reading them.

> These days, I just use groups.google.com.

I have better idea....don't make people have to sift to find what you're
talking about, or use email for private threads.

Geez...just a bit of common sense that one would normally pick up in
elementary school (of course, not in the modern day absurdities).

[Matt Barrow]

"John Clonts" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> What is?
>>>
>>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I was
>>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
>>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>>>
>> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
>>
>> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
>>
>
> Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.
Teach him to communicate.

Other than that, BIOYA.

[Mark Hansen]

On 02/21/06 06:01, Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 02/20/06 17:35, Matt Barrow wrote:
>>> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>> What is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...The procedure in the tree/thread exactly above my post. Since I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> the person who posted the question in the first place, I thought -what
>>>>>> I wound up doing- might be of interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The only thread above yours in my reader was....empty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you don't write manuals for a living! :~)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shouldn't blame him for your newsreader's lack of feature.
>>> Tell me a newsreader that shows long since deleted posts.
>>
>> I had no problem. I use Mozilla 1.7.12 on Linux, but I've been using
>> Netscape/Mozilla newsreaders for years and never had any problems
>> with the threading of the news articles.
>>
> How long do you keep posts in your newsreader's cache? Til' a thread runs
> out?

What do I care? Disks are cheap ;-)

>
> No, Clonts just had to stick his foot in it to cover a poster that posts
> empty messages.

Empty messages? I didn't see any...

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Mark Hansen]

On 02/21/06 06:04, Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>I asked the original question on February 10th. Looks like your
>> news server is pretty quick on the trigger. Or misconfigured.
>> News is, in general, pretty brutal on the hardware. I once ran a small
>> news server on my Linux box - just a few groups. It physically BROKE
>> THE DISK from overuse.
>>
>> It's pretty common for news servers to delete posts or threads quickly,
>> especially on the alt binaries newsgroups.
>
> My ISP holds them for two to four weeks, but I delete all read posts after
> reading them.
>
>> These days, I just use groups.google.com.
>
> I have better idea....don't make people have to sift to find what you're
> talking about, or use email for private threads.
>
> Geez...just a bit of common sense that one would normally pick up in
> elementary school (of course, not in the modern day absurdities).

You're insulting people that do things differently than you?

I like using a threaded news reader, and don't mind at all when folks
trim 100% of the previous post (because I can easily see it if I want
to). This does not go contrary to common sense in my estimation.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Matt Barrow]

Yes.

[Matt Barrow]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> Yes.
And BTW, I can see, now, why the UNIX industry shot themselves in the ass
and the computer industries in general are going overseas.

[John Clonts]

Same to you!

:)

[Matt Barrow]

"John Clonts" > wrote in message
...
> Same to you!
>
> :)
Thanks for proving my point.

[Jerry]

And what point would that be? I just read your post, don't have the
rest of the thread.

- Jerry Kaidor

[Matt Barrow]

"Jerry" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> And what point would that be? I just read your post, don't have the
> rest of the thread.
>
That's the point.

These folks post messages that are meaningless except to one or two people.
I sugested they either use email or learn to communicate( ie, snip and
paste) in a manner that maintains context.

Otherwise, it's just laziness.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO