Clearence available upon request

[Jeff]

This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
xxx - clearence available upon request"

what I always do is just read back the taxi instructions and wait for
them to call me back with the clearence. I guess I dont understand why
they say "available upon request" when I just requested it.

Am I handling it the right way?

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:47:30 -0800, Jeff > wrote:

>This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
>Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
>xxx - clearence available upon request"
>
>what I always do is just read back the taxi instructions and wait for
>them to call me back with the clearence. I guess I dont understand why
>they say "available upon request" when I just requested it.
>
>Am I handling it the right way?

They are probably saying "clearance on request" which means that they have
called ATC and requested your clearance. So yes, waiting for them to call
you back is proper.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Jeff > said:
>This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
>Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
>xxx - clearence available upon request"
>
>what I always do is just read back the taxi instructions and wait for
>them to call me back with the clearence. I guess I dont understand why
>they say "available upon request" when I just requested it.

I never understand why they phrase it that way either, since it seems to
mean that they've requested it, but don't have it yet. But since they
told you to taxi, you should taxi - they probably figure that the computer
will spit out your clearance by the time you get to the runway.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me,
_help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop.
-- Tanuki

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jeff" > wrote in message ...
>
> This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
> Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
> xxx - clearence available upon request"
>
> what I always do is just read back the taxi instructions and wait for
> them to call me back with the clearence. I guess I dont understand why
> they say "available upon request" when I just requested it.
>
> Am I handling it the right way?
>

Are you sure they're saying "clearence available upon request" and not
"clearance on request"?

[[email protected]]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

> "Jeff" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
> > Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
> > xxx - clearence available upon request"
> >
> > what I always do is just read back the taxi instructions and wait for
> > them to call me back with the clearence. I guess I dont understand why
> > they say "available upon request" when I just requested it.
> >
> > Am I handling it the right way?
> >
>
> Are you sure they're saying "clearence available upon request" and not
> "clearance on request"?

Experience and context has told us that "clearance on request" means the tower
has requested it, but it hasn't come through yet. Having said that, in plain
English it means they have the clearance whenever he would like to request it.

[Maule Driver]

"Ron Rosenfeld" >
> They are probably saying "clearance on request" which means that they have
> called ATC and requested your clearance. So yes, waiting for them to call
> you back is proper.
>
Yep, what Ron said. It is non-obvious terminology for the pilot - maybe
controller obvious. But it's one of very many that you just get to know
after awhile.

I usually get "on request" and I know to just sit tight until they call
back. Usually leave me sitting on the ramp. Next time they do it at
Westchester, I'll shut down.

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Maule Driver" > wrote:

> "Ron Rosenfeld" >
> > They are probably saying "clearance on request" which means that they have
> > called ATC and requested your clearance. So yes, waiting for them to call
> > you back is proper.
> >
> Yep, what Ron said. It is non-obvious terminology for the pilot - maybe
> controller obvious. But it's one of very many that you just get to know
> after awhile.

It sure is non-obvious. I remember the first time I got that, during my
IFR training. The conversation went something like this:

"Clearance, Cessna xxxx, IFR to where-ever."

"Cessna xxxx, clearance on request."

[at this point, I figured the guy was telling me he'd give me my
clearance as soon as I requested it, as if it was another way of saying
"advise when ready to copy", so I said:]

"I'd like my clearance now."

You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
...
>
> Experience and context has told us that "clearance on request" means the
tower
> has requested it, but it hasn't come through yet. Having said that, in
plain
> English it means they have the clearance whenever he would like to request
it.
>

An odd response to a request for a clearance. "Clearance on request" means
they don't have it at present, if they had it they wouldn't have to request
it.

[Tom S.]

> wrote in message
...
> >
> > Are you sure they're saying "clearence available upon request" and not
> > "clearance on request"?
>
> Experience and context has told us that "clearance on request" means the
tower
> has requested it, but it hasn't come through yet. Having said that, in
plain
> English it means they have the clearance whenever he would like to request
it.

Well, plain English would be "Clearance RequesTED".

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Roy Smith > said:
>"Clearance, Cessna xxxx, IFR to where-ever."
>
>"Cessna xxxx, clearance on request."
[snip]
>"I'd like my clearance now."
>
>You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)

Knowing the controllers I've encountered, they'd just repeat "clearance on
request", forever and ever, never explaining what it means no matter how
puzzled you sounded.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Their constitution is unwritten, and is mostly based on common law and
practice. In other words, they do something wrong and it then becomes
the norm. -- Laurie Couturier, on the British legal system

[Bill]

> "Clearance, Cessna xxxx, IFR to where-ever."
>
> "Cessna xxxx, clearance on request."
>
> [at this point, I figured the guy was telling me he'd give me my
> clearance as soon as I requested it, as if it was another way of saying
> "advise when ready to copy", so I said:]
>
> "I'd like my clearance now."
>
> You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)

Oh yeah.... I've overheard one of these before. It gets ugly. Pilot thinks
the controller is yanking his chain just to be funny. Controller is upset
he's spending too much time with one pilot.

[[email protected]]

"Tom S." wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> > > Are you sure they're saying "clearence available upon request" and not
> > > "clearance on request"?
> >
> > Experience and context has told us that "clearance on request" means the
> tower
> > has requested it, but it hasn't come through yet. Having said that, in
> plain
> > English it means they have the clearance whenever he would like to request
> it.
>
> Well, plain English would be "Clearance RequesTED".

That would be the bestest. ;-)

[Doug]

Heh, heh, first time I heard that, I answered, "OK, I request my
clearance". The tower guy, knowing he had a new guy, patiently
explained that what that phrase meant was, he had requested my
clearance from ATC and would give it to me as soon as he received it.
I'm not stupid, and neither are you, if you haven't heard this
experession before, it's not suprising you don't understand it. The
phrase is ambiguous. Of course if you have heard it before, and know
what it means, it is no longer ambiguous. I had another one, "Cleared
CRUISE 4000' to (waypont) (or something like that). I didn't know what
to do with that one either. One thing is, clearances can't be
ambiguous, we pilots need to be certain what is being said, so we know
what to do with the plane. Unfortunately, the only way to clear it up,
is to ask, which, admittadly makes the asker look like a dummie. One
thing about life, we all look like dummies from time to time. Maybe
the best response would be, "lets see, there is a coffee spill on the
section of the AIM that explains that phrase, maybe you could help me
out here". I call it my coffee spill response.

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message >...
> In a previous article, Roy Smith > said:
> >"Clearance, Cessna xxxx, IFR to where-ever."
> >
> >"Cessna xxxx, clearance on request."
> [snip]
> >"I'd like my clearance now."
> >
> >You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)
>
> Knowing the controllers I've encountered, they'd just repeat "clearance on
> request", forever and ever, never explaining what it means no matter how
> puzzled you sounded.

[Ron Natalie]

"Doug" > wrote in message m...
> Heh, heh, first time I heard that, I answered, "OK, I request my
> clearance".

Around here the "let me know when you want your clearance" phrase
is usually "Advise when ready to copy."

[Tom S.]

> wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Tom S." wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure they're saying "clearence available upon request" and
not
> > > > "clearance on request"?
> > >
> > > Experience and context has told us that "clearance on request" means
the
> > tower
> > > has requested it, but it hasn't come through yet. Having said that,
in
> > plain
> > > English it means they have the clearance whenever he would like to
request
> > it.
> >
> > Well, plain English would be "Clearance RequesTED".
>
> That would be the bestest. ;-)

Definitely it's more better!

[Jeff]

That was the first thing that crossed my mind when I was given that.
But I just kept my mouth shut :)


Roy Smith wrote:

> "I'd like my clearance now."
>
> You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)

[Jeff]

I have heard it several times, I just figured out on my own that if I dont say anything they
will call me back with the clearence, I have always wondered what it really ment because it
does not mean what it sounds like ...guess I wasnt the only one who had trouble with this :)

Doug wrote:

> Heh, heh, first time I heard that, I answered, "OK, I request my
> clearance". The tower guy, knowing he had a new guy, patiently
> explained that what that phrase meant was, he had requested my
> clearance from ATC and would give it to me as soon as he received it.
> I'm not stupid, and neither are you, if you haven't heard this
> experession before, it's not suprising you don't understand it. The
> phrase is ambiguous. Of course if you have heard it before, and know
> what it means, it is no longer ambiguous. I had another one, "Cleared
> CRUISE 4000' to (waypont) (or something like that). I didn't know what
> to do with that one either. One thing is, clearances can't be
> ambiguous, we pilots need to be certain what is being said, so we know
> what to do with the plane. Unfortunately, the only way to clear it up,
> is to ask, which, admittadly makes the asker look like a dummie. One
> thing about life, we all look like dummies from time to time. Maybe
> the best response would be, "lets see, there is a coffee spill on the
> section of the AIM that explains that phrase, maybe you could help me
> out here". I call it my coffee spill response.
>
> (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message >...
> > In a previous article, Roy Smith > said:
> > >"Clearance, Cessna xxxx, IFR to where-ever."
> > >
> > >"Cessna xxxx, clearance on request."
> > [snip]
> > >"I'd like my clearance now."
> > >
> > >You can imagine how the conversation went downhill from there :-)
> >
> > Knowing the controllers I've encountered, they'd just repeat "clearance on
> > request", forever and ever, never explaining what it means no matter how
> > puzzled you sounded.

[John R. Copeland]

When I took instrument training, someone gave me good advice
to get a scanner and listen to the ATC frequencies for a while.
I was glad I did that.
---JRC---

"Jeff" > wrote in message =
...
> I have heard it several times, I just figured out on my own that if I =
dont say anything they
> will call me back with the clearence, I have always wondered what it =
really ment because it
> does not mean what it sounds like ...guess I wasnt the only one who =
had trouble with this :)
>=20
>

[Stan Gosnell]

(Doug) wrote in
m:


> I had another
> one, "Cleared CRUISE 4000' to (waypont) (or something like
> that). I didn't know what to do with that one either.

That one you should know. It's a standard clearance, and should
have been explained in your instrument training. Granted, it's
not used that often in busy airspace, but I get it on every
outbound flight. It's especially helpful for us, knowing we'll
lose comm with ATC before we finish the approach, often before
we start it.

--
Regards,

Stan

[Jeff]

listening to the scanner wouldnt have helped, my home base they dont say it, Everytime I fly to
SoCal they seem to say it tho.

"John R. Copeland" wrote:

> When I took instrument training, someone gave me good advice
> to get a scanner and listen to the ATC frequencies for a while.
> I was glad I did that.
> ---JRC---
>
> "Jeff" > wrote in message ...
> > I have heard it several times, I just figured out on my own that if I dont say anything they
> > will call me back with the clearence, I have always wondered what it really ment because it
> > does not mean what it sounds like ...guess I wasnt the only one who had trouble with this :)
> >
> >

[John T]

"Jeff" > wrote in message

>
> This one kinda stumps me everytime I am told this.
> Call tower, request your IFR clearence, they tell you "taxi to runway
> xxx - clearence available upon request"

I just had this happen to me this weekend. Check it out in the "Departing
HGR" video:
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer/flights.asp#031115

--
John T
__________

[EDR]

In article m>, John
T > wrote:

> I just had this happen to me this weekend. Check it out in the "Departing
> HGR" video:
> http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer/flights.asp#031115

Jeff, I receive audio only using Windows Media Player.
(The audio is excellent... I can hear alternator whine, strobes, navaid
id's in the background.)

[John T]

"EDR" > wrote in message

>
> Jeff, I receive audio only using Windows Media Player.
> (The audio is excellent... I can hear alternator whine, strobes,
> navaid id's in the background.)

What version of WMP are you using? The video was encoded using
WinMediaEncoder 9.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________