IFR currency

[Chris]

I know the rules on IFR currency as far as the FAA certificate is concerned
but I have a scenario which my be worth a debate.

A pilot holds independently both a FAA/IR and a JAR/IR. The JAR IR is valid
for 12 months and must be revalidated in the three months preceding the
expiry of the rating, usually with a proficiency checkride. The checkride
is required whether the rating holder has done 1 or 1000 approaches during
the 12 months.

The pilot has not flown the 6 instrument approaches etc in the immediately
preceding 6 months so is out of currency with the FAA/IR. However the JAR/IR
is still valid and in the next 2 months the pilot flies 20 instrument
approaches, dozens of holds , airways tracking, the lot in fact all solo on
his JAR/IR, does that activity all written up nicely in the log book then
make him current as far as the FAA is concerned?

Certainly it would have him as proficient but would the pilot still need to
go off with a safety pilot and do the 6 simulated instrument approaches etc.
Reading the FARs it would seem to me that he would despite the fact that the
approaches were done legally in the respective JAR country.

Chris

[Jim Macklin]

The pilot needs the IPC to fly a USA registered airplane in
the USA. He can fly a outside the USA in any airplane on
the JAR license under JAR rules.



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"Chris" > wrote in message
...
|I know the rules on IFR currency as far as the FAA
certificate is concerned
| but I have a scenario which my be worth a debate.
|
| A pilot holds independently both a FAA/IR and a JAR/IR.
The JAR IR is valid
| for 12 months and must be revalidated in the three months
preceding the
| expiry of the rating, usually with a proficiency
checkride. The checkride
| is required whether the rating holder has done 1 or 1000
approaches during
| the 12 months.
|
| The pilot has not flown the 6 instrument approaches etc in
the immediately
| preceding 6 months so is out of currency with the FAA/IR.
However the JAR/IR
| is still valid and in the next 2 months the pilot flies 20
instrument
| approaches, dozens of holds , airways tracking, the lot
in fact all solo on
| his JAR/IR, does that activity all written up nicely in
the log book then
| make him current as far as the FAA is concerned?
|
| Certainly it would have him as proficient but would the
pilot still need to
| go off with a safety pilot and do the 6 simulated
instrument approaches etc.
| Reading the FARs it would seem to me that he would despite
the fact that the
| approaches were done legally in the respective JAR
country.
|
| Chris
|
|

[Jose]

> The pilot has not flown the 6 instrument approaches etc in the immediately
> preceding 6 months so is out of currency with the FAA/IR.

As long as the pilot is not more than six months out of currency, he
does not need an IPC; he can become current again by flying six
approaches and detritus. If he is more than six months out of currency,
then he would need an IPC.

> However the JAR/IR
> is still valid and in the next 2 months the pilot flies 20 instrument
> approaches, dozens of holds , airways tracking, the lot in fact all solo on
> his JAR/IR, does that activity all written up nicely in the log book then
> make him current as far as the FAA is concerned?

I would imagine so, unless there is some reason that flying on a JAR is
not loggable as per the FCC (for example, I believe police and military
flying does not count towards FCC requirements).

Jose
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[Bob Moore]

Jose > wrote
> I would imagine so, unless there is some reason that flying on a JAR
> is not loggable as per the FCC (for example, I believe police and
> military flying does not count towards FCC requirements).

A little too late for you Jose? FCC????

Bob Moore

[Jose]

>>I would imagine so, unless there is some reason that flying on a JAR
>>> is not loggable as per the FCC (for example, I believe police and
>>> military flying does not count towards FCC requirements).
>
>
> A little too late for you Jose? FCC????

LOL. I stand by my statement though. The FCC will not accept your FAA
logbook (or your JAR logbook) twoards any FCC requirements.

Jose
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[Julian Scarfe]

"Chris" > wrote in message
...

> Reading the FARs it would seem to me that he would despite the fact that
> the approaches were done legally in the respective JAR country.

What's your basis for believing that these approaches would not satisfy
61.57(c)?

Julian

[Chris]

"Julian Scarfe" > wrote in message
...
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Reading the FARs it would seem to me that he would despite the fact that
>> the approaches were done legally in the respective JAR country.
>
> What's your basis for believing that these approaches would not satisfy
> 61.57(c)?

The belief (mistaken) that in the second 6 months the way to become current
is to fly the requisite number of approaches etc with a safety pilot.

I also suppose that in the UK, the validity of an IMC rating of 25 months
seems to provide a lot of flexibility in terms of keeping the FAA/IR valid.

[Fidel Perez]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
>> The pilot has not flown the 6 instrument approaches etc in the
>> immediately preceding 6 months so is out of currency with the FAA/IR.
>
> As long as the pilot is not more than six months out of currency, he does
> not need an IPC; he can become current again by flying six approaches and
> detritus. If he is more than six months out of currency, then he would
> need an IPC.
>
>> However the JAR/IR is still valid and in the next 2 months the pilot
>> flies 20 instrument approaches, dozens of holds , airways tracking, the
>> lot in fact all solo on his JAR/IR, does that activity all written up
>> nicely in the log book then make him current as far as the FAA is
>> concerned?
>
> I would imagine so, unless there is some reason that flying on a JAR is
> not loggable as per the FCC (for example, I believe police and military
> flying does not count towards FCC requirements).
>
> Jose
> --
> Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
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You probably meant 12 months out of currency since all you need is a safety
pilot in the 6 to 12 month period. After 12 months, IPC is required. FCC?

[Jose]

> You probably meant 12 months out of currency

No, I meant six months out of currency. You are out of currency when
you do not six approaches in the preceeding six months. You are one day
out of currency the day after that happens.

> since all you need is a safety
> pilot in the 6 to 12 month period.

We're just measuring from different points. I am measuring "out of
currency" from the day you are no longer legal to file IFR. After that,
you have six months to get back in the saddle with a safety pilot before
you need a CFI.

> FCC?

You didn't know the FAA and the FCC merged? They will be known as the FBB.

Jose
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[Fidel Perez]

"Jose" > wrote in message
et...
>> You probably meant 12 months out of currency
>
> No, I meant six months out of currency. You are out of currency when you
> do not six approaches in the preceeding six months. You are one day out
> of currency the day after that happens.
>
>> since all you need is a safety pilot in the 6 to 12 month period.
>
> We're just measuring from different points. I am measuring "out of
> currency" from the day you are no longer legal to file IFR. After that,
> you have six months to get back in the saddle with a safety pilot before
> you need a CFI.
>
>> FCC?
>
> You didn't know the FAA and the FCC merged? They will be known as the
> FBB.
>
> Jose
> --
> Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I see...
There is a famous movie star with your kind of language skills.
Yoda, like you he talks.

Fidel

[Matt Barrow]

"Fidel Perez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jose" > wrote in message
> et...
>>
>>> FCC?
>>
>> You didn't know the FAA and the FCC merged? They will be known as the
>> FBB.
>>
>> Jose
>> --
>> Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
>> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
>
> I see...
> There is a famous movie star with your kind of language skills.
> Yoda, like you he talks.
>

I was thinking of Norm Crosby. (you're probably too young to remember him
:>) )