Flying Magazine's Instrument Flying 1973

[Steven P. McNicoll]

A complete handbook for flying IFR in the US as it was thirty years ago.
Very good condition, complete, cover shows a bit of wear, 146 pages.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y104621F6

[Bob Noel]

In article .net>,
"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:

use the .marketplace group.

gripes.

you don't want spam yet you spam.

--
Bob Noel

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
>
> use the .marketplace group.
>

I did.


>
> gripes.
>
> you don't want spam yet you spam.
>

Yup, I don't want a lot of unwanted garbage sent to my email address. This
was a short message about an IFR flying publication sent to an IFR forum.
The content was clearly indicated by the subject line, nobody was required
to open the message.

[Dan Luke]

"Bob Noel" wrote:
> you don't want spam yet you spam.

In principle I agree with you, Bob, but in practice I don't. It is not a
black/white issue. This newsgroup is a community of more or less regular
contributors. Members "in good standing" are due certain leeway because
of their status as useful participants over time. So I don't mind
Steven's post because 1) he doesn't make a habit of it, 2) it is on
topic and 3) he's a regular.

It's a grey area, I know, and one might reasonably argue about who
defines a member in good standing; I guess you know 'em when you see
'em.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[GregR]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

> A complete handbook for flying IFR in the US as it was thirty years ago.
> Very good condition, complete, cover shows a bit of wear, 146 pages.

Heh, I've got a copy of that one also - I'd just gotten my private ticket in
'72.

Hard to believe it's been 30 years, I'm going to keep my copy just for its
sentimental and historical value.

--

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

CA/IFR/BGI - KVNY

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[Tom Sixkiller]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > use the .marketplace group.
> >
>
> I did.
>
>
> >
> > gripes.
> >
> > you don't want spam yet you spam.
> >
>
> Yup, I don't want a lot of unwanted garbage sent to my email address.
This
> was a short message about an IFR flying publication sent to an IFR forum.
> The content was clearly indicated by the subject line, nobody was required
> to open the message.

From the subject line we can't tell if you referencing an article, a point
of history...

If you check the Usenet rules, I believe they prohibit posts selling stuff
in any group other those designated (i.e., xxx.marketplace). As Bob said,
take it to the marketplace groups where it belongs(and stop being a
hypocrite).

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob Noel" wrote:
> > you don't want spam yet you spam.
>
> In principle I agree with you, Bob, but in practice I don't. It is not a
> black/white issue. This newsgroup is a community of more or less regular
> contributors. Members "in good standing" are due certain leeway because
> of their status as useful participants over time. So I don't mind
> Steven's post because 1) he doesn't make a habit of it, 2) it is on
> topic and 3) he's a regular.

And all that is totally irrelevant.

> It's a grey area, I know, and one might reasonably argue about who
> defines a member in good standing; I guess you know 'em when you see
> 'em.

It's not a grey area; it's prohibited. Besides, who elected YOU to decide
who is a "member in good standing"?

[Dan Luke]

You haven' been around here long enough to run for sheriff.

Buzz off.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> You haven' been around here long enough to run for sheriff.
>
> Buzz off.

There's no tenure here. Screw you!!

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> From the subject line we can't tell if you referencing an article, a point
> of history...
>

So what? If the subject line does not interest you don't open the message.


>
> If you check the Usenet rules, I believe they prohibit posts selling stuff
> in any group other those designated (i.e., xxx.marketplace). As Bob said,
> take it to the marketplace groups where it belongs(and stop being a
> hypocrite).
>

No hypocrite I. I've no objection to anyone using this forum to alert
others to item's pertaining to IFR flying.

[Bill Carton - (The Roadie)]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:

>So what? If the subject line does not interest you don't open the message.

A common and bankrupt defense often heard from spammers and newsgroup
abusers. Off-charter postings fail the simple question "what if everybody
did it?"
>>
>> If you check the Usenet rules, I believe they prohibit posts selling stuff
>> in any group other those designated (i.e., xxx.marketplace). As Bob said,
>> take it to the marketplace groups where it belongs(and stop being a
>> hypocrite).
>>
>No hypocrite I. I've no objection to anyone using this forum to alert
>others to item's pertaining to IFR flying.

But Earthlink's Acceptable Use Policy does object:

"m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to
any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or
"community standards" describing what is and is not considered appropriate.
Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The continued posting
of off-topic articles is prohibited. Commercial advertisements are
off-topic in most newsgroups, especially regional groups not specifically
named for such. The presence of such articles in a group is not indicative
of the group's "intended" use. Please familiarize yourself with basic
Usenet netiquette before posting to a newsgroup."
--
Bill "the Roadie" Carton

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" > wrote in message
...
>
> But Earthlink's Acceptable Use Policy does object:
>
> "m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to
> any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or
> "community standards" describing what is and is not considered
appropriate.
> Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The continued posting
> of off-topic articles is prohibited. Commercial advertisements are
> off-topic in most newsgroups, especially regional groups not specifically
> named for such. The presence of such articles in a group is not indicative
> of the group's "intended" use. Please familiarize yourself with basic
> Usenet netiquette before posting to a newsgroup."
>

"The charter of rec.aviation.ifr is:"

"Articles related to flight under Instrument Flight Rules. Regulatory
questions, communications, procedures, charts, training methods, maintaining
proficiency, recurrent training, instruments and equipment, questions, and
experiences."

No mention of commercial advertisements and a publication on instrument
flying is certainly on-topic.

[Bill Carton - (The Roadie)]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:

>"The charter of rec.aviation.ifr is:"
>
>"Articles related to flight under Instrument Flight Rules. Regulatory
>questions, communications, procedures, charts, training methods, maintaining
>proficiency, recurrent training, instruments and equipment, questions, and
>experiences."

>No mention of commercial advertisements...

Well, there you go. If they were on-topic, they would have been mentioned.

The charter of rec.aviation.marketplace is:

************************************************** ****************************
* Rec.aviation.marketplace is an open forum for parties wanting or
* selling aircraft, parts, components, service and related items. No
* off-topic advertising, either commercial or otherwise will be
* encouraged.
************************************************** ****************************

>and a publication on instrument flying is certainly on-topic.

Again, from the charters: "Use cross-posting sparingly. If an article "90%
belongs" in one group and "10% belongs" in another, post it only to the
first group."

Just trying to keep the clutter to a minimum. There's a place for ads, and
if your rationalization was adopted by everyone, ads would be crossposted
to all the groups. As they say, it doesn't scale. First an IFR-related
publication, then IFR avionics, then models of IFR-capable aircraft, then
IFR aircraft, then bikini calendars of IFR-rated female pilots, and so
forth. See the problem?


--
Bill "the Roadie" Carton

[GregR]

"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" wrote:

> A common and bankrupt defense often heard from spammers and newsgroup
> abusers.

Now there's a name I recognize from NANAE. Are you a flyer also?

--

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

CA/IFR/BGI - KVNY

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[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" > wrote in message
...
>
> Well, there you go. If they were on-topic, they would have been mentioned.
>

You don't think instrument flying is on-topic in rec.aviation.ifr?


>
> Again, from the charters: "Use cross-posting sparingly.
>

I do use cross-posting sparingly. I've posted thousands of messages.
Cross-posted a handful of them. That's sparingly.


>
> Just trying to keep the clutter to a minimum.
>

The best way for you to do that is to cease posting messages.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Tom Fleischman" > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> In article >, Tom Sixkiller
> > wrote:
> >
> > If you check the Usenet rules, I believe they prohibit posts selling
stuff
> > in any group other those designated (i.e., xxx.marketplace). As Bob
said,
> > take it to the marketplace groups where it belongs(and stop being a
> > hypocrite).
> >
>
> To quote *you*, Mr. Sixkiller:
>
> "Well, opinions are like assholes and bellybuttons, especially coming
> from self-appointed net cops ...
> ...I suspect your discomfort with the subject has more to do with your
> nagging than any real quest for UseNet purity."
>
> This was quoted from *your* response to me in another thread in r.a.p.
>
> Hypocrisy?
>
> Pot, kettle, black.

Steve is a net contributer here and it is ifr related material.

[Bill Carton - (The Roadie)]

GregR > wrote:

>"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" wrote:
>
>> A common and bankrupt defense often heard from spammers and newsgroup
>> abusers.
>
>Now there's a name I recognize from NANAE. Are you a flyer also?

Yeah - mentioned it a few times in NANAE. Regular poster to aviation
newsgroups 12-15 years ago. Email me so we can take it offline of this
discussion about Usenet abuse.

--
Bill "the Roadie" Carton