CFII question...

[Ditch]

Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in VFR
conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Barry]

FAR 61.57 says: "(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph
(e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in
weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within
the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has ..."

Pretty straightforward. Even in VMC (VFR conditions) if you accept an IFR
clearance, you must be current. If you give instrument dual in VMC and do
not accept an IFR clearance, no instrument currency is required.

If you are training an instrument student for an instrument rating, remember
that FAR 61.65 requires that the 'long' instrument cross country be
accomplished under IFR - not necessarily under IMC, but under IFR..
Therefore, for that portion of instrument training for an instrument rating,
the CFII must be instrument current as that particular flight must be
performed under an IFR clearance.
Tailwinds. -Antique Examiner

"Ditch" > wrote in message
...
> Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction
in VFR
> conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the
moment
> otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...
>
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
> American*
>

[Ditch]

> If you give instrument dual in VMC and do
>not accept an IFR clearance, no instrument currency is required.

Thank you...that's all I needed to know.



-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
(Ditch) wrote:
> Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in
> VFR conditions?

I can't think of any reason why he/she would have to be current.

Of course, I assume when you said, "in VFR conditions" you really meant,
"under VFR". You can be IFR in VFR conditions, and obviously if the
instructor is not current, he/she can't act as PIC under IFR. But that
in itself doesn't preclude giving instruction. If the student is
instrument rated and current, the student could act as PIC and the
non-current instructor could instruct away. This might reasonably
happen during an IPC.

> Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
> otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...

There are numerious places on the web where you can find complete FARs
online. The one I use is

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14tab_00.html

[Ron Natalie]

"Ditch" > wrote in message ...
> Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in VFR
> conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
> otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...
>
A CFII doesn't need to be instrument current to give instruction at all.
Instrument currency is only required if he need to be PIC in instrument
conditions.

[Bill Zaleski]

Ron:

There is one little legal catch that makes currency an issue: You
must be current to file and receive an IFR clearance, regardless of
the WX conditions and the instruction required for the IFR dual cross
country must be given under an IFR clearance, but not necessarily
instrument conditions.


On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:24:15 -0500, "Ron Natalie" >
wrote:

>
>"Ditch" > wrote in message ...
>> Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in VFR
>> conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
>> otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...
>>
>A CFII doesn't need to be instrument current to give instruction at all.
>Instrument currency is only required if he need to be PIC in instrument
>conditions.

[Ron Natalie]

"Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message ...
> Ron:
>
> There is one little legal catch that makes currency an issue: You
> must be current to file and receive an IFR clearance, regardless of
> the WX conditions and the instruction required for the IFR dual cross
> country must be given under an IFR clearance, but not necessarily
> instrument conditions.

Correct, shlould have said PIC under IFR. You want to be excessively
pedantic, even an IFR clearance isn't required. You can operate IFR
in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance.

The point I was trying to make is that instrument currency is a function of
being PIC not giving an instruction. I've got a friend who's an instructor
but can't be PIC (no medical). I can get all sorts of instruction from him,
but nothing that requires him to adopt the PIC role.

[Ron Natalie]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
>
> "Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message ...
> > Ron:
> >
> > There is one little legal catch that makes currency an issue: You
> > must be current to file and receive an IFR clearance, regardless of
> > the WX conditions and the instruction required for the IFR dual cross
> > country must be given under an IFR clearance, but not necessarily
> > instrument conditions.
>
> Correct, shlould have said PIC under IFR. You want to be excessively
> pedantic, even an IFR clearance isn't required. You can operate IFR
> in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance.
>
> The point I was trying to make is that instrument currency is a function of
> being PIC not giving an instruction. I've got a friend who's an instructor
> but can't be PIC (no medical). I can get all sorts of instruction from him,
> but nothing that requires him to adopt the PIC role.

I should further point out that not only can't he be PIC, he can't be safety
pilot either, which cuts out the opportunity for him to be safety pilot as well.
He could give instruction in IMC (provided the student acts as PIC), but he
can't give insturment instruction to a student under the hood.
>

[Matthew S. Whiting]

Ron Natalie wrote:
> "Ditch" > wrote in message ...
>
>>Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in VFR
>>conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
>>otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...
>>
>
> A CFII doesn't need to be instrument current to give instruction at all.
> Instrument currency is only required if he need to be PIC in instrument
> conditions.
>

Instrument conditions, or just PIC on an IFR flight plan?

Matt

[Robert Moore]

Bill Zaleski > wrote
>
> There is one little legal catch that makes currency an issue: You
> must be current to file and receive an IFR clearance, regardless of
> the WX conditions and the instruction required for the IFR dual cross
> country must be given under an IFR clearance, but not necessarily
> instrument conditions.

As usual with many members of this NG, Ron has chosen his words to
reflect the letter of the law, not so much to clearify the issue.
A PIC under IFR could concievably be in a non-control seat in the
airplane.

Bob Moore

[Ron Natalie]

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message . 7...
> Bill Zaleski > wrote
> >
> > There is one little legal catch that makes currency an issue: You
> > must be current to file and receive an IFR clearance, regardless of
> > the WX conditions and the instruction required for the IFR dual cross
> > country must be given under an IFR clearance, but not necessarily
> > instrument conditions.
>
> As usual with many members of this NG, Ron has chosen his words to
> reflect the letter of the law, not so much to clearify the issue.
> A PIC under IFR could concievably be in a non-control seat in the
> airplane.
>
You don't even need to get that far fetched. If the pilot in the left seat
is qualified (e.g., still current) then the instructor need not be.

[Andrew Sarangan]

(Ditch) wrote in message >...
> Does a CFII have to be instrument current to give instrument instruction in VFR
> conditions? Just curious...and I don't have a set-O-regs handy at the moment
> otherwise I'd get off my lazy butt and look it up. Thanks...
>
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> American*

Instructor has to be current only if he is acting as pilot in command.

If the student flies wearing a view limiting device under VFR, then
the instructor has to be current in that aircraft for VFR flight.

If the flight is conducted under IFR, then the instructor needs to be
instrument current (unless the student already has an instrument
rating and assumed PIC responsibilities).

[Mark Kolber]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:39:25 GMT, "Matthew S. Whiting"
> wrote:

>Instrument conditions, or just PIC on an IFR flight plan?

Either. Need to be instrument current to act as PIC while flying
around in below VFR conditions or act as PIC on an instrument flight
plan.

Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
www.midlifeflight.com
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