List of airports with autofuel

[M]

I'm looking for a website that has the entire list of all airports in
US that are reported to sell autofuel. airnav.com is close, but the
best I can search is a 200nm radius from a given point (airport or
lat/long). It'll take me over 200 searches in a grid search pattern to
cover the entire US.

Ideally, that list of the airports can be placed on a map. With the
lat-long information it can be easily achieved on a webpage with Google
map API.

Anyone knows where I can get such a list?

[M]

I'm aware of www.airnav.com. However it's not good enough. It would
be really nice to show all the autogas airport on a map.

Also there's not a way to list all the 300 or airports in the entire US
that sell autogas.

[Dave S]

M wrote:
> I'm aware of www.airnav.com. However it's not good enough. It would
> be really nice to show all the autogas airport on a map.
>
> Also there's not a way to list all the 300 or airports in the entire US
> that sell autogas.
>

It may HAVE to be good enough...

And on top of that, many of the locations with auto gas listed are in
out of the way locations, with irregular hours, sometimes unpaved
strips, and in some cases actually no longer provide it.

Some fields with auto gas have strict procedures that are a major hurdle
to transient ops.

Your best bet is to plan a trip from LAX to Jacksonville with a 200 mile
wide course on Airnav for fuel planning and jot them all down, Move
north and do it again. 4-5 flight plans should cover them all.

I will ask on one of the list servs Im on about just such a list, that
one of the members was building.. but I recall that the list was 1)
incomplete and 2) inaccurate.


Dave

[Dave S]

At the risk of reinventing the wheel, in the event that someone out
there already has a comprehensive list of mogas places...

I have started a frappr map of Airports with Mogas on them.

http://www.frappr.com/aviationmogaslocations

It is INCOMPLETE, as its less than 12 hours old, and is reliant on peer
input to become complete.

If you know of a place that sells mogas, then feel free to join the
frappr and then add the location in the form of a color coded pushpin.

Right now it adds locations by zipcode, which arent exactly where the
airports are, but its close enough for a first stab at flight planning.

Put the identifier and airport name/city name on the pin's location, and
in the comment feel free to add the vendors name, number, or the Airnav
weblink for the airport (which becomes clickable).

Because this will NOT be regularly updated, avoid putting the price in,
rather, call the vendor or the field before flight to verify price.

Since this is about the places, and not the people, eventually the
people pins will be deleted, BUT, its open admission, so you can always
re-enroll to place more places on the map.

Dave

[Dave Butler]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> www.airnav.com Put in your location and search area and it will show
> you all the airports in the area with the fuel you are looking for
> sorted by price or distance. Most of the locations with autofuel (at
> least in California) are seaplane bases though.

airnav.com seems to get a lot of its information from the FAA ATA-100 files,
which do have a data field indicating whether or not autogas is available, but
the data seem to be very optimistic, showing autogas where in fact none is
available.

Maybe airnav autogas info comes from some other source, but if it's from the
ATA-100 files, I'd say it's not very reliable.

[Jay Honeck]

> At the risk of reinventing the wheel, in the event that someone out
> there already has a comprehensive list of mogas places...
>
> I have started a frappr map of Airports with Mogas on them.
>
> http://www.frappr.com/aviationmogaslocations

Such a great concept, so poorly executed.

I thought I'd take a minute to add Muscatine Municipal Airport, a VERY
nice, almost new airport just to the south of Iowa City, with huge, new
runways, an ILS, a new terminal building, a great FBO, and mogas. We
NEED a map like this to help everyone find mogas around the country,
and I thought Frappr could be the solution!

So, I got to the end of entering all the info....BZZZTT. "You must
first join Frappr before you may enter a location".

*sigh* Okay, so I "joined" Frappr, and re-entered all the
information....BZZT! "You must first join the "Mogas Group" before
you may enter a location."

Jeeessus. So, okay, I "joined" the group, and re-entered all the
information.....BZZZT! "You must first join the 'Mogas Group' before
you may enter a location." Augh -- an endless loop!

At which point I said "F*ck this" and moved on. Too bad, too, cuz the
idea's got legs.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave S]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> At which point I said "F*ck this" and moved on. Too bad, too, cuz the
> idea's got legs.
> --
> Jay Honeck


Jay..
Thanks for trying... I will readily admit that Google/Frappr is
changing crap DAILY.. and this particular hurdle is a pain in the ass.

The whole frappr thing as a whole has become Google's answer to
"myspace" which is where primarily teens can set up a free (but
advertiser laden) corner of the web and link to other "friends".

Once this map gets populated with places it wont be such a problem,
since most folks will only ever LOOK and not have to add.

Anyways.. Gradually I will get around to adding the ones I come across
on Airnav.. and I'm waiting on an XL spreadsheet from a rotary powered
cozy pilot in Florida...

It will get there.

For what its worth, Jay.. you can always just put a link to it on your
flying links page... and folks can LOOK at it without having to be a member.

Again,
Thanks for trying.

Dave

[Dave S]

Dave Butler wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>
>> www.airnav.com Put in your location and search area and it will show
>> you all the airports in the area with the fuel you are looking for
>> sorted by price or distance. Most of the locations with autofuel (at
>> least in California) are seaplane bases though.
>
>
> airnav.com seems to get a lot of its information from the FAA ATA-100
> files, which do have a data field indicating whether or not autogas is
> available, but the data seem to be very optimistic, showing autogas
> where in fact none is available.
>
> Maybe airnav autogas info comes from some other source, but if it's from
> the ATA-100 files, I'd say it's not very reliable.

So far, the ones that I've posted from "airnav" I've either called
personally, or have had prices updated THIS year.. so Im hoping its not
stale.

Again, folks who post, please put the vendor's contact in there for
verification.. every little bit helps.

And as Jay found out, you have to be a member of Frappr to post.. and
you have to be a "member" of the mogas page to post there.. so theres a
few steps if you are not familiar with frappr. Anyone can read without
registering, however.

Dave

[Charles O'Rourke]

Dave S wrote:
> I have started a frappr map of Airports with Mogas on them.
>
> http://www.frappr.com/aviationmogaslocations
>
> It is INCOMPLETE, as its less than 12 hours old, and is reliant on peer
> input to become complete.
>
> If you know of a place that sells mogas, then feel free to join the
> frappr and then add the location in the form of a color coded pushpin.

I've added Plymouth Municipal Airport, KPYM, in Plymouth, Massachusetts,
along with a number to call for current prices. Last weekend, Mogas was
$3.00 a gallon. The airport also has an ILS.

I'd also like to point out an airport that, according to AOPA's airport
directory has autogas, but it actually doesn't. It's Skylark Airport,
in Warehouse Point, Connecticut, 7B6. I discovered that the hard way,
and their 100LL was more expensive than lots of other places I could
have landed. I've sent a message to AOPA to have it changed, but they
haven't fixed it yet.

Charles.
-N8385U

[Dave S]

M wrote:
> I'm looking for a website that has the entire list of all airports in
> US that are reported to sell autofuel. airnav.com is close, but the
> best I can search is a 200nm radius from a given point (airport or
> lat/long). It'll take me over 200 searches in a grid search pattern to
> cover the entire US.
>
> Ideally, that list of the airports can be placed on a map. With the
> lat-long information it can be easily achieved on a webpage with Google
> map API.
>
> Anyone knows where I can get such a list?
>

Here's a list.. UNVERIFIED... 300 locations.. including hawaii and
alaska. The cozy pilot friend got back to me, and I uploaded it to my
EAA chapter webpage. There are no links to this file on the chapter
webpage... have to link in directly from below.

I will work on adding them to the Frappr as I get time.

http://www.eaa12.org/files/mogasairports.xls


Dave

[M]

Folks, I just ended up writing my own map. Check out:

http://www.chouby.com/apps/autogas.html

[M]

Sounds like we were both busy creating maps on 3/30 :-) Checkout mine
at http://www.chouby.com/apps/autogas.html

[M]

This list from EAA seems very optimistic to me.

[Marty Shapiro]

Dave S > wrote in
link.net:

> M wrote:
>> I'm looking for a website that has the entire list of all airports in
>> US that are reported to sell autofuel. airnav.com is close, but the
>> best I can search is a 200nm radius from a given point (airport or
>> lat/long). It'll take me over 200 searches in a grid search pattern to
>> cover the entire US.
>>
>> Ideally, that list of the airports can be placed on a map. With the
>> lat-long information it can be easily achieved on a webpage with Google
>> map API.
>>
>> Anyone knows where I can get such a list?
>>
>
> Here's a list.. UNVERIFIED... 300 locations.. including hawaii and
> alaska. The cozy pilot friend got back to me, and I uploaded it to my
> EAA chapter webpage. There are no links to this file on the chapter
> webpage... have to link in directly from below.
>
> I will work on adding them to the Frappr as I get time.
>
> http://www.eaa12.org/files/mogasairports.xls
>
>
> Dave

Many years ago, a friend used http://www.fillupflyer.com to obtain fuel
information when planning a long trip. This is a service which, for a fee,
provides a fuel report showing the locations with the cheapest fuel within
a specified distance from your planed route of flight. Alternatively, you
can get a report for all the FBO's in a given state.

The site says that they frequently poll the FBOs to compile this
information.

I'm not a customer, but out of curiosity took a peek at the web pages
today. For free, you only get sample reports and a current statistical
summary for the United States showing the hi/low/avg cost of fuel by type
by region and the number of FBOs carrying the specified type of fuel.
Today's report shows that in CONUS, only 98 FBOs supply autogas. (1,785
have JET-A, 2,286 have 100-LL, and 32 have 80.)

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Dave S]

M wrote:
> Sounds like we were both busy creating maps on 3/30 :-) Checkout mine
> at http://www.chouby.com/apps/autogas.html
>

Im guessing you are a software person... is this based on the FAA data
(which i believe is free..) or where does your data come from?

Will yours automatically update or is easily updated to new data?

Will you add places that are "unadvertised" in the normal databases?

If yours does all that is needed, I will simply put the one I made on
the back burner.. no sense in needlessly duplicating efforts for no
additional benefit.


Also.. THANKS for your time and effort in making your map.
Dave

[Jay Honeck]

> Sounds like we were both busy creating maps on 3/30 :-) Checkout mine
> at http://www.chouby.com/apps/autogas.html

AWESOME! Just what the doctor ordered!

Thanks...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"