filing with DUATS

[Ditch]

Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
DUATS come up.
I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
past.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Matthew S. Whiting]

Ditch wrote:
> Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
> available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
> DUATS come up.

I haven't filed a flight plan in nearly five years (sigh), but prior to
that I filed 50+ a year for 6 years straight and never had one lost.
The line about losing half of the flight plans is likely a very gross
exaggeration, unless the system has went downhill very fast since I last
flew.


> I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
> IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
> past.

Could be a change, but that seems unlikely and nobody has complained
about DUATS here lately.


Matt

[Ross Oliver]

Ditch > wrote:
>Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
>I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
>available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
>DUATS come up.


I have filed IFR via DUATS departing RHV about a dozen times in the last
few months during my instrument training, and have never had one not
be available. I have also found that release times are much more expeditious
when Norcal is expecting you. One caveat is I try to allow at least an
hour between filing and departing. Both IFR and VFR flight plans seem
to require about an hour to "trickle through" the system.


Ross Oliver

[John Clonts]

"Ditch" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never
came
> available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans
filed via
> DUATS come up.
> I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80%
of my
> IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in
the
> past.
>
>

I've filed a dozen or so IFR flight plans via DUATS in the last 6 months and
have not had any of them lost. Well, except for the one that I
miscalculated a GMT which resulted in the plan being filed for "tomorrow" :)

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[Robert Henry]

"Ditch" > wrote in message
...
> Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.

Enjoy the privilege - there are those who have-not.

On post, it would appear that flight plans get lost for a number of reasons.
We have heard about this especially with ADIZ flight plans. Any chance that
your first fix is near or in another ATC facility boundary. Your flight
plan might be routed to the wrong facility based upon that. Just a thought.

Bob

[Dan Luke]

"Ditch" wrote:
> Anyone experiencing problems with this?

I've never had DUATS drop a flight plan. I use it to file about 50% of
the time.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[Jeff]

ya this started happening to me a few weeks ago, so now after I file on duats, I
select review flight plan, if its not there I just call FSS and file

Ditch wrote:

> Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
> available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
> DUATS come up.
> I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
> IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
> past.
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> American*

[Jeff]

I dont think they are getting lost, but they are just not being saved to the
system.
after you file next time, choose the review flight plan and see if its there.

Ditch wrote:

> Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
> available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
> DUATS come up.
> I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
> IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
> past.
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> American*

[Ditch]

>I dont think they are getting lost, but they are just not being saved to the
>system.
>after you file next time, choose the review flight plan and see if its there.

I'll do that...thanks. I just found it weird what the tower told me.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Matthew S. Whiting]

John Clonts wrote:
> "Ditch" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
>>I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never
>
> came
>
>>available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans
>
> filed via
>
>>DUATS come up.
>>I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80%
>
> of my
>
>>IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
>>I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in
>
> the
>
>>past.
>>
>>
>
>
> I've filed a dozen or so IFR flight plans via DUATS in the last 6 months and
> have not had any of them lost. Well, except for the one that I
> miscalculated a GMT which resulted in the plan being filed for "tomorrow" :)

Yes, I've done similar as well. However, I don't consider that to be a
"system" problem. :-)

Matt

[Matthew S. Whiting]

Jeff wrote:
> ya this started happening to me a few weeks ago, so now after I file on duats, I
> select review flight plan, if its not there I just call FSS and file
>
> Ditch wrote:
>
>
>>Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
>>I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
>>available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
>>DUATS come up.
>>I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
>>IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
>>I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
>>past.
>>
>>-John
>>*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
>>American*
>
>

I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
NT... :-(


Matt

[Jeff]

looks like they use
Server Type: Netscape-FastTrack/3.01


"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
> > ya this started happening to me a few weeks ago, so now after I file on duats, I
> > select review flight plan, if its not there I just call FSS and file
> >
> > Ditch wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> >>I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never came
> >>available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed via
> >>DUATS come up.
> >>I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80% of my
> >>IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> >>I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
> >>past.
> >>
> >>-John
> >>*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> >>American*
> >
> >
>
> I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
> NT... :-(
>
> Matt

[Jeff]

same here the first time it happened to me. since then I always check to make sure
it took, and so far it hasnt.

what I am thinking is since I am in las vegas, and with the alert levels changing,
they made our area one of the ones you cant file via duats and only by calling
FSS.

I did notice that on new years eve when I flew back into vegas from phoenix that
LAS approach gave me a squak code that seemed different. Usually I dont change
x-ponder codes but they gave me something like 1051

Ditch wrote:

> >I dont think they are getting lost, but they are just not being saved to the
> >system.
> >after you file next time, choose the review flight plan and see if its there.
>
> I'll do that...thanks. I just found it weird what the tower told me.
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> American*

[C J Campbell]

"Matthew S. Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| >
| >
|
| I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
| NT... :-(

Blaming all the evils in the world on Bill Gates is becoming passé. If DUATS
is having problems nowadays it is unquestionably the fault of the Bush
administration or, if you are a Republican, on "the Democrats" or
"terrorism." <sigh> It is so hard to keep up on the list of wicked people
these days. :-)

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"C J Campbell" > wrote:

> "Matthew S. Whiting" > wrote in message
> ...
> | >
> | >
> |
> | I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
> | NT... :-(
>
> Blaming all the evils in the world on Bill Gates is becoming passé. If DUATS
> is having problems nowadays it is unquestionably the fault of the Bush
> administration or, if you are a Republican, on "the Democrats" or
> "terrorism." <sigh> It is so hard to keep up on the list of wicked people
> these days. :-)

Get a clue, man. The scapecoat d'jour is Illegal Aliens. Oh, wait,
we're legalizing them now, I forgot. The French? Maybe we could blame
it on the French :-)

[Tod Klingler]

I have noticed a related problem... that seems to be a bug in flight
plan retrieval.

On a couple of occasions during the last few months, I've wanted to
(slightly) modify a DUATS-filed IFR flight plan but could not retrieve
my filed plan in DUATS. Usually, this was one of a two flight plans I
filed for a training flight, and the desired modifications didn't
prevent my flight. In several instances I could retrieve only one of
the two plans I filed. However, when later requesting my clearances,
all the plans I thought I'd filed were available.

So, I've concluded the problem is the the flight plan retrieval
function in DUATS, possibly related to timing issues. I've found that
just because you can't retrieve a flight plan in DUATS, doesn't mean
it's not in the system.

I fly out of SQL and have not yet had DUATS lose any of my filed
plans...

-tod

In article >, Jeff
> wrote:

> I dont think they are getting lost, but they are just not being saved to the
> system.
> after you file next time, choose the review flight plan and see if its there.
>
> Ditch wrote:
>
> > Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> > I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never
> > came
> > available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans filed
> > via
> > DUATS come up.
> > I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80%
> > of my
> > IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> > I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in the
> > past.
> >
> > -John
> > *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> > American*
>

[Matthew S. Whiting]

C J Campbell wrote:
> "Matthew S. Whiting" > wrote in message
> ...
> | >
> | >
> |
> | I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
> | NT... :-(
>
> Blaming all the evils in the world on Bill Gates is becoming passé. If DUATS
> is having problems nowadays it is unquestionably the fault of the Bush
> administration or, if you are a Republican, on "the Democrats" or
> "terrorism." <sigh> It is so hard to keep up on the list of wicked people
> these days. :-)
>
>

I hardly blame all the worlds evils on Bill Gates. However, having used
RSX-11, VMS, a few variants of Unix and several versions of Windows
(3.0, 3.1, 3.11, NT, 95, 98, Me, 2000, etc.), I can say with no fear of
contradiction that Windows is the least reliable OS family by a long
shot. It isn't even close. I've never had a windows machine that would
run continuously for even one month without a hang or crash. We had VMS
systems that ran for years with no unscheduled outages.


Matt

[S Narayan]

I fly out of LVK, rarely had the problem. I usually file the night before
for an early morning flight. If you file and go immediately, it may not have
made it to the system. IIRC, usually DUATs will submit to the facility an
hour or so before the departure time even if you put in the request hours
before that.

"Ditch" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone experiencing problems with this? Aside from the ADIZ and TFR crap.
> I filed an IFR from LVK to SAC yesterday via duats and the clearance never
came
> available. The tower told me that only about half of the flight plans
filed via
> DUATS come up.
> I found it strange. Back in 1999 when I was flying a C-340 for a guy, 80%
of my
> IFR plans were filed via DUATS and never had a problem.
> I am wondering if this is something new or if I have just been lucky in
the
> past.
>
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
> American*

[Ditch]

>I fly out of SQL and have not yet had DUATS lose any of my filed
>plans...

Maybe it is something with LVK. Pretty weird...


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Jeff]

has anyone here seen the movie "the second civil war"
it started with illegal's also. Pretty funny movie.

Roy Smith wrote:

> In article >,
> "C J Campbell" > wrote:
>
> > "Matthew S. Whiting" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > | >
> > | >
> > |
> > | I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
> > | NT... :-(
> >
> > Blaming all the evils in the world on Bill Gates is becoming passé. If DUATS
> > is having problems nowadays it is unquestionably the fault of the Bush
> > administration or, if you are a Republican, on "the Democrats" or
> > "terrorism." <sigh> It is so hard to keep up on the list of wicked people
> > these days. :-)
>
> Get a clue, man. The scapecoat d'jour is Illegal Aliens. Oh, wait,
> we're legalizing them now, I forgot. The French? Maybe we could blame
> it on the French :-)

[Jeff]

I have a unix server and 3 windoze servers.
the windoze ones are running mail,DNS,chat and video servers. the unix is running
web server.
I havnt rebooted my windows machines in months. It all depends on the apps you
run on them. I wouldnt run a web server on windows, but its good for other things.

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:

> C J Campbell wrote:
> > "Matthew S. Whiting" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > | >
> > | >
> > |
> > | I wonder if the DUATS providers "upgraded" their servers to Windows
> > | NT... :-(
> >
> > Blaming all the evils in the world on Bill Gates is becoming passé. If DUATS
> > is having problems nowadays it is unquestionably the fault of the Bush
> > administration or, if you are a Republican, on "the Democrats" or
> > "terrorism." <sigh> It is so hard to keep up on the list of wicked people
> > these days. :-)
> >
> >
>
> I hardly blame all the worlds evils on Bill Gates. However, having used
> RSX-11, VMS, a few variants of Unix and several versions of Windows
> (3.0, 3.1, 3.11, NT, 95, 98, Me, 2000, etc.), I can say with no fear of
> contradiction that Windows is the least reliable OS family by a long
> shot. It isn't even close. I've never had a windows machine that would
> run continuously for even one month without a hang or crash. We had VMS
> systems that ran for years with no unscheduled outages.
>
> Matt