Flew my first SID

[john smith]

After 21 years of being instrument rated, I flew my first SID this week.
Departing KPBI on Thursday afternoon, bound for the first fix, LBV
(LaBelle VOR).
Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section. This time I
forgot and they gave it to me.

[Roy Smith]

In article john smith > wrote:

> Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section.

Why? What advantage do you think you're getting by doing this?

[Doug]

>Why? What advantage do you think you're getting by doing this?

If you don't accept a SID or STAR, they have to give you your clearance
orally over the freq. That means you don't have to find it in the book
and read it out of the book. You can just fly it (perhaps with some
notes).

[John R. Copeland]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message ...
> In article john smith > wrote:
>
>> Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section.
>
> Why? What advantage do you think you're getting by doing this?

Fair question, Roy.
What's not to like about having in your hands a published graphical
diagram and printed text to supplement the verbal clearance?

[Jose]

> Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section. This time I
> forgot and they gave it to me.

Don't they give it to you anyway, just in long form?

Jose
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[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Doug" > said:
>>Why? What advantage do you think you're getting by doing this?
>
>If you don't accept a SID or STAR, they have to give you your clearance
>orally over the freq. That means you don't have to find it in the book
>and read it out of the book. You can just fly it (perhaps with some
>notes).

Which means you don't have a diagram of it, and you have do a lot more
writing, with the added possibility of error. Sorry, I'm not seeing the
advantage here.

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[Jim Macklin]

If you file No SIDS/No STARS you'll get the same route, they
will just read you a full route clearance. Saying No
SIDS/No STARS just means you don't have the chart or text
description.


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"john smith" > wrote in message
...
| After 21 years of being instrument rated, I flew my first
SID this week.
| Departing KPBI on Thursday afternoon, bound for the first
fix, LBV
| (LaBelle VOR).
| Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section.
This time I
| forgot and they gave it to me.

[john smith]

> >> Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section.

> > Why? What advantage do you think you're getting by doing this?

> Fair question, Roy.
> What's not to like about having in your hands a published graphical
> diagram and printed text to supplement the verbal clearance?

There is no graphic for the procedure. There are five text instructions,
depending on what type of hardware you are flying and what runway you
are assigned. I read the wrong instruction based on the departure runway
I was given, missed the hardware note and was corrected on my switch to
departure.
By adding the NO SIDS OR STARS remark, I am usually given a more simple,
expedited departure and only fly radar vectors and altitude assignments.
(that should have been 26 years, not 21)

[Matt Whiting]

john smith wrote:
> After 21 years of being instrument rated, I flew my first SID this week.
> Departing KPBI on Thursday afternoon, bound for the first fix, LBV
> (LaBelle VOR).
> Normally, I file NO SIDS OR STARS in the remarks section. This time I
> forgot and they gave it to me.

I generally file them if available and if I can remember the DUAT
procedure to enter them. I kind of like being able to have some idea
what to expect on departure and arrival.


Matt

[Robert M. Gary]

Most SIDs are so simple they don't seem worth writing down. Many of
them are just heading/altitude that gets reassigned as soon as the gear
enters the wells anyway.

-Robert

[Brien K. Meehan]

Yikes. I flew my first SID within 21 minutes of getting my IFR ticket.
Flew a STAR on the way back from lunch, about an hour after that.

[Doug]

It all depends. If you don't take the SID, you usually get vectors.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Doug" > said:
>It all depends. If you don't take the SID, you usually get vectors.

Maybe it's where I fly, but I accept the SID and I get vectors anyway.
Actually, the airport I get SID most often is CYOW (Ottawa), and the
OTTAWA ONE (which seems to alternately get renamed OTTAWA SIX every time I
turn around) involves vectors to the line between ASHTN and REEDO - but
the SID also includes the altitude restrictions which is better than
having to copy them.

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