IFR charts and info for Canada

[Jeff P]

Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Jeff P) said:
>Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
>data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?

No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can quote
me on that.

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Either way, it'll remind the clued that there's only one letter
difference between 'turkey' and 'turnkey'.
-- Mike Andrews

[Andrew Sarangan]

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message >...
> In a previous article, (Jeff P) said:
> >Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
> >data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?
>
> No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can quote
> me on that.

Are you saying that the FAA is overly generous? The FAA does not
provide any funding for AOPA, Airnav or Aeroplanner. These are all
individual efforts. Is NavCanada refusing to release airport database
to individuals? If that is the case then you may have a point.

[Travis Marlatte]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, (Jeff P) said:
> >Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
> >data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?
>
> No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can quote
> me on that.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> Either way, it'll remind the clued that there's only one letter
> difference between 'turkey' and 'turnkey'.
> -- Mike Andrews

I wouldn't go that far, but NavCanada controls everything aviation in Canada
and charges for their services. Their web site is www.navcanada.ca . I am
not aware of any web sites that offer their charts for free. You can also
order them from Sporty's. I thought Sporty's price was kind of high but it
is the same as walking into a service center for NavCanada and buying them
off the shelf.

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Travis

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
(Andrew Sarangan) wrote:

> (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
> >...
> > In a previous article, (Jeff P) said:
> > >Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
> > >data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?
> >
> > No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can quote
> > me on that.
>
> Are you saying that the FAA is overly generous? The FAA does not
> provide any funding for AOPA, Airnav or Aeroplanner. These are all
> individual efforts. Is NavCanada refusing to release airport database
> to individuals? If that is the case then you may have a point.

I believe the US is one of the few countries in the world which does not
claim copyright on government publications. Anybody is free to take US
charts (aero, marine, topo, whatever) and republish them in any form
they like, for free or for profit. Not so most other places.

Of course, nothing is free. It's just that in the US, the taxpayers
foot the bill instead of the end users.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Andrew Sarangan) said:
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
>...
>> No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can quote
>> me on that.
>Are you saying that the FAA is overly generous? The FAA does not
>provide any funding for AOPA, Airnav or Aeroplanner. These are all
>individual efforts. Is NavCanada refusing to release airport database
>to individuals? If that is the case then you may have a point.

I get FAA data on CD for $36 every 56 days. And there is no restriction
on redistributing that data - I put it on a ftp site for anybody else to
grab.

NavCanada, on the other hand, forced the originator of the Canadian
equivalent data (Energy Mines and Resources, later National Resources
Canada) to stop distributing it to anybody but them. And they flat out
refuse to distribute it to the general public. Sorry, they don't "flat
out" anything - they just tell you they have to do one more thing before
they can, and then they stop talking to you.

I've contacted them numerous times about it. One time they told me they'd
do it if I signed a paper holding them harmless in the event of a lawsuit,
and referred me to their legal staff, but the legal staff refused to draw
up the paper, and told me that they wouldn't accept a paper that I had a
lawyer draw up. Eventually, in every case, they just stopped answering my
email.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"GNU is not Linux - Linux has a kernel that boots" - Chris Thompson

[Randy at Home]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
| In a previous article, (Andrew Sarangan) said:
| (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
| >...
| >> No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can
quote
| >> me on that.
| >Are you saying that the FAA is overly generous? The FAA does not
| >provide any funding for AOPA, Airnav or Aeroplanner. These are all
| >individual efforts. Is NavCanada refusing to release airport database
| >to individuals? If that is the case then you may have a point.
|
| I get FAA data on CD for $36 every 56 days. And there is no restriction
| on redistributing that data - I put it on a ftp site for anybody else to
| grab.
|
| NavCanada, on the other hand, forced the originator of the Canadian
| equivalent data (Energy Mines and Resources, later National Resources
| Canada) to stop distributing it to anybody but them. And they flat out
| refuse to distribute it to the general public. Sorry, they don't "flat
| out" anything - they just tell you they have to do one more thing before
| they can, and then they stop talking to you.
|
| I've contacted them numerous times about it. One time they told me they'd
| do it if I signed a paper holding them harmless in the event of a lawsuit,
| and referred me to their legal staff, but the legal staff refused to draw
| up the paper, and told me that they wouldn't accept a paper that I had a
| lawyer draw up. Eventually, in every case, they just stopped answering my
| email.

The key difference between the FAA and NavCanada, is that the FAA is a
government organization, while NavCanada is privately run. They're not
incented to do anything for free. NavCanada didn't "force" anyone to do
anything. They were granted it by the MoT, much to the chagrine of a bunch
of private pilots. They closed valuable flight service stations at key
training locations in Canada (gripe: Buttonville for one) against massive
protests that fell on deaf ears. IMO, they're be just as happy to get rid of
us all, and just service the airlines at major airports.

[Michelle P]

Jeff,
Contact AOPA. They have a section on international flying on their web site.
You can also give them a call if you are a member and ask about getting
the info.
If you are just flying into southern Canada then most if not all of what
you need is on the Jeppesen low altitude charts.
Michelle

Jeff P wrote:

>Are there any websites with Canadian charts, procedures, and airport
>data similar to the US sites such as AOPA, AirNav, Aeroplanner?
>
>

--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[Jeff P]

Thanks everyone.

As much as we complain, we sure have it better here than other places.

Jeff

[John Bishop]

You should try it here in the UK, where the government has decided to
privatise ATC, so you can imagine the biggest shareholders will get priority
on approach - "US Air, you are no longer number 1, please go around and join
the line of British planes landing, you are currently number twelve!"

To get a US licence on the back of a British one is free from the FAA, but
you have to pay our CAA $25 to release your details to them. To get a UK
licence on the basis of an FAA one costs nearly $300.
The best bit is the weather charts. You can get them by premium rate fax,
about $2.50 per minute, with the slowest transmission speed known to man. Or
you can pay a subscription to the weather office. Best way to get TAF's and
METAR's now is to download them from websites of other european countries
governments, where they are freely available.

John

"Randy at Home" > wrote in
message
. cable.rogers.com...
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
> | In a previous article, (Andrew Sarangan) said:
> | (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
> | >...
> | >> No. NavCanada are a bunch of greedy selfish *******s, and you can
> quote
> | >> me on that.
> | >Are you saying that the FAA is overly generous? The FAA does not
> | >provide any funding for AOPA, Airnav or Aeroplanner. These are all
> | >individual efforts. Is NavCanada refusing to release airport database
> | >to individuals? If that is the case then you may have a point.
> |
> | I get FAA data on CD for $36 every 56 days. And there is no restriction
> | on redistributing that data - I put it on a ftp site for anybody else to
> | grab.
> |
> | NavCanada, on the other hand, forced the originator of the Canadian
> | equivalent data (Energy Mines and Resources, later National Resources
> | Canada) to stop distributing it to anybody but them. And they flat out
> | refuse to distribute it to the general public. Sorry, they don't "flat
> | out" anything - they just tell you they have to do one more thing before
> | they can, and then they stop talking to you.
> |
> | I've contacted them numerous times about it. One time they told me
they'd
> | do it if I signed a paper holding them harmless in the event of a
lawsuit,
> | and referred me to their legal staff, but the legal staff refused to
draw
> | up the paper, and told me that they wouldn't accept a paper that I had a
> | lawyer draw up. Eventually, in every case, they just stopped answering
my
> | email.
>
> The key difference between the FAA and NavCanada, is that the FAA is a
> government organization, while NavCanada is privately run. They're not
> incented to do anything for free. NavCanada didn't "force" anyone to do
> anything. They were granted it by the MoT, much to the chagrine of a bunch
> of private pilots. They closed valuable flight service stations at key
> training locations in Canada (gripe: Buttonville for one) against massive
> protests that fell on deaf ears. IMO, they're be just as happy to get rid
of
> us all, and just service the airlines at major airports.
>
>