Garmin GPSmap 196 on 172 Yoke

[Otto Braasch]

Hi,

Planning to put a GPSmap 196 for backup in my Cessna 172 I
would appreciate to learn whether somebody has mounted a 196 on a
172 yoke? May I learn about the mounting gear used - original
Garmin or OEM hardware like RAM?
How about drawbacks or pros experienced with either gear?

Otto Braasch (EDML)

[C J Campbell]

The original Garmin mount works fine as such things go.

There are some problems with mounting things on the yoke:

1) The yoke feels funny. It takes some getting used to.

2) Either the instrument is mounted so low as to be difficult to see or it
is high enough to obscure more important instruments.

3) If you have a big tummy like mine, a GPS mounted on the yoke is even
harder to see and makes it hard to use full travel on the yoke.

4) Newer Cessnas have a built-in yoke clip that either interferes with yoke
mounts or can't be used with the mount in place.

I do not like yoke mounts. I do not like kneeboards, either. In fact, I have
not found anyplace to put a handheld GPS where it is not more trouble than
it is worth, though I have found setting it on a beanbag on the dash to be
less offensive than most locations. Even there it is hard to reach the
controls of the GPS and it interferes with the compass and obscures part of
your view.

[David B. Cole]

I've used the Garmin yoke mount on the 172 several times. No big deal
as far as the ease of mounting it. Of course with a yoke mount the
GPS moves whenever the yoke moves, it's not directly in your field of
view as it would be mounted on top of the panel, and you may not get
as much yoke travel on the flare unless you remove it prior to
landing. I'm trying to figure out how I'll mount it when I have a
yoke clip attached when flying IFR in a plane without a panel mount
GPS.

Dave

Otto Braasch > wrote in message >...
> Hi,
>
> Planning to put a GPSmap 196 for backup in my Cessna 172 I
> would appreciate to learn whether somebody has mounted a 196 on a
> 172 yoke? May I learn about the mounting gear used - original
> Garmin or OEM hardware like RAM?
> How about drawbacks or pros experienced with either gear?
>
> Otto Braasch (EDML)

[Tom Fleischman]

In article >, David B.
Cole > wrote:

> I've used the Garmin yoke mount on the 172 several times. No big deal
> as far as the ease of mounting it. Of course with a yoke mount the
> GPS moves whenever the yoke moves, it's not directly in your field of
> view as it would be mounted on top of the panel, and you may not get
> as much yoke travel on the flare unless you remove it prior to
> landing.

How would it affect the yoke travel when pulling back during the flare?
It would be mounted on thge yoke shaft just forward of the yoke itself.

I could see how it might affect the yoke travel if you had to push it
all the way in and dive, but how often would have to do that in a 172?

> I'm trying to figure out how I'll mount it when I have a
> yoke clip attached when flying IFR in a plane without a panel mount
> GPS.

Put the GPS on the yoke and the approach plate on your kneeboard (one
of the few real uses for a small kneeboard).

[C J Campbell]

"Tom Fleischman" > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> In article >, David B.
> Cole > wrote:
>
> > I've used the Garmin yoke mount on the 172 several times. No big deal
> > as far as the ease of mounting it. Of course with a yoke mount the
> > GPS moves whenever the yoke moves, it's not directly in your field of
> > view as it would be mounted on top of the panel, and you may not get
> > as much yoke travel on the flare unless you remove it prior to
> > landing.
>
> How would it affect the yoke travel when pulling back during the flare?
> It would be mounted on thge yoke shaft just forward of the yoke itself.
>
> I could see how it might affect the yoke travel if you had to push it
> all the way in and dive, but how often would have to do that in a 172?
>
> > I'm trying to figure out how I'll mount it when I have a
> > yoke clip attached when flying IFR in a plane without a panel mount
> > GPS.
>
> Put the GPS on the yoke and the approach plate on your kneeboard (one
> of the few real uses for a small kneeboard).

I don't like the idea of an approach plate on a kneeboard because it forces
you to look down and increases the chance of disorientation and causes you
to interrupt your scan for longer than necessary.

The way the 196 and 295 yoke mounts work is they have an arm that puts the
GPS over the top of the yoke and down in the front and center. I doubt if
you could mount it entirely behind the yoke without severely restricting
travel. The GPS does not restrict yoke travel in the flare or even when
practicing stalls and spins unless you are obese, like me. (And I worked
hard to get that way, too. However, I am tired of being so cramped in the
airplane so I am slowly losing weight now.)

[Doug]

None of the handhelds are as good as having a panel mount.

But if you are going to have a handheld, the most satisfactory
solution is to mount a Garmin III above the glareshield (or beanbag
it).

I have a 195 as a backup to my panel mount and I just put it on my
knee, (when I use it at all, which is occasionally as it has better
maps of Class B airspace and has ground feature information (roads
rivers etc).

[Wyatt Emmerich]

I have a 196 yoke mount. Works great. Also have a 530. Use them both. The
Garmin 196 is a great battery backup and the yoke is a fine place to mount
it. Near the hands and the eyes.Properly installed, there is no restriction
issues at all.

"Otto Braasch" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> Planning to put a GPSmap 196 for backup in my Cessna 172 I
> would appreciate to learn whether somebody has mounted a 196 on a
> 172 yoke? May I learn about the mounting gear used - original
> Garmin or OEM hardware like RAM?
> How about drawbacks or pros experienced with either gear?
>
> Otto Braasch (EDML)
>
>
>
>
>

[Craig Prouse]

In article >,
"Wyatt Emmerich" > wrote:

> I have a 196 yoke mount. Works great. Also have a 530. Use them both. The
> Garmin 196 is a great battery backup and the yoke is a fine place to mount
> it. Near the hands and the eyes.Properly installed, there is no restriction
> issues at all.

I bought a Garmin 195 several years ago, and a few months later I
unexpectedly acquired an airplane with an IFR panel mount GPS. I tried
a couple times to use the handheld on its yoke mount (as the moving map
is clearly better than that on the panel mount) but I much prefer
keeping that space available for approach plates and my timer, and
frankly I prefer that space to be empty whenever possible. So
unfortunately, my handheld GPS has become a very expensive toy and
electronic flight planner. I use it on the ground to mark waypoints
that I wish to overfly later, like relatives' houses.

I even tried mounting the handheld on the copilot's yoke for backup, but
it's difficult to see the screen and nearly impossible to push the
buttons. But I have a dream, and I'll tell you exactly what it would
take to get me using the thing routinely as a backup: it would be some
sort of articulated arm that mounts to the inside of my seat mechanism.
Sort of like the adjustable neck on an iMac, so I could raise, lower,
and swing the thing in and out of my field of view as required. I think
police cars sometimes have their mobile display terminals mounted like
that? Yeah, that would be pretty cool and it would probably cost
hundreds.

Where do people keep their approach plates when there's a handheld GPS
on the yoke, anyway? I always use my yoke clip in day conditions, but
due to lighting considerations I have to move the plate to my lapboard
at night. It's not optimal due to distance and required head movement,
but at least there's a light shining on it.

[Dan Truesdell]

Craig Prouse wrote:
> In article >,
> "Wyatt Emmerich" > wrote:
>
>

<---------- Snip ----------->
>
> Where do people keep their approach plates when there's a handheld GPS
> on the yoke, anyway? I always use my yoke clip in day conditions, but
> due to lighting considerations I have to move the plate to my lapboard
> at night. It's not optimal due to distance and required head movement,
> but at least there's a light shining on it.

I usually mount my Magellan 315 on the panel in the corner (secured by a
bent piece of cookie sheet). I, too, like to keep my yoke mount for
approach plates. As for night, I have a small red led light velcroed to
my headset (one of those inch-long flat thingies). It's easy to turn on
when needed, and can be kept on if necessary in the event of an
electrical failure. (I carry a flashlight, too.)



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[Otto Braasch]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 "C J Campbell" wrote:
> Subject: Re: Garmin GPSmap 196 on 172 Yoke
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:38:16 -0800
>
> The original Garmin mount works fine as such things go.
>
> There are some problems with mounting things on the yoke:
>
> 1) The yoke feels funny. It takes some getting used to.
>
> 2) Either the instrument is mounted so low as to be difficult to see or it
> is high enough to obscure more important instruments.
>
> 3) If you have a big tummy like mine, a GPS mounted on the yoke is even
> harder to see and makes it hard to use full travel on the yoke.
>
> 4) Newer Cessnas have a built-in yoke clip that either interferes with yoke
> mounts or can't be used with the mount in place.
>
> I do not like yoke mounts. I do not like kneeboards, either. In fact, I have
> not found anyplace to put a handheld GPS where it is not more trouble than
> it is worth, though I have found setting it on a beanbag on the dash to be
> less offensive than most locations. Even there it is hard to reach the
> controls of the GPS and it interferes with the compass and obscures part of
> your view.

Christopher,

Thanks for pointing to the facts and drawbacks of having a GPS on the yoke. My 196
and a RAM mount arrived yesterday. I will report on the installation - it may take a
weeks however before I get into the plane again.
Used to kneeboards from the military I have not problem with that.

Cheers - Otto

[Otto Braasch]

On 16 Feb 2004 David B. Cole wrote:
> Subject: Re: Garmin GPSmap 196 on 172 Yoke
> Date: 16 Feb 2004 10:16:15 -0800
>
> I've used the Garmin yoke mount on the 172 several times. No big deal
> as far as the ease of mounting it. Of course with a yoke mount the
> GPS moves whenever the yoke moves, it's not directly in your field of
> view as it would be mounted on top of the panel, and you may not get
> as much yoke travel on the flare unless you remove it prior to
> landing. I'm trying to figure out how I'll mount it when I have a
> yoke clip attached when flying IFR in a plane without a panel mount
> GPS.
>
> Dave

Most of the time I will use the GPSmap 196 for creating and monitoring user
waypoints - it will function as backup only in case the panel mount system
should fail.
Coming week the 196 will be installed on the yoke with either the Garmin or the
RAM mount. I will report on the outcome.

Cheers - Otto

[Otto Braasch]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 "Wyatt Emmerich" wrote:
> Subject: Re: Garmin GPSmap 196 on 172 Yoke
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:42:53 GMT
>
> I have a 196 yoke mount. Works great. Also have a 530. Use them both. The
> Garmin 196 is a great battery backup and the yoke is a fine place to mount
> it. Near the hands and the eyes.Properly installed, there is no restriction
> issues at all.

Let me report on the outcome of my installation within one or two weeks. The 196 with
both mounts, Garmin and RAM, has arrived yesterday. My panel GPSs are a 430
plus a CNX80. That may look like a real overkill, however I have to create and
up-/download quite a number of user waypoints (also maps) at survey flights. The 430
and CNX80 unfortunately have no download capability - what a pity.

Cheers - Otto

[Otto Braasch]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 Craig Prouse wrote:
.................................
> But I have a dream, and I'll tell you exactly what it would
> take to get me using the thing routinely as a backup: it would be some
> sort of articulated arm that mounts to the inside of my seat mechanism.
> Sort of like the adjustable neck on an iMac, so I could raise, lower,
> and swing the thing in and out of my field of view as required. I think
> police cars sometimes have their mobile display terminals mounted like
> that? Yeah, that would be pretty cool and it would probably cost
> hundreds.
..............

Have you looked at RAM Mounts Catalog? The sell some versions of flex arms
holding GPS, PDAs etc. in the cockpit. RAM is at <www.ram-mount.com/>.

Otto

[Otto Braasch]

On 18 February I wrote:
<< Let me report on the outcome of my installation within one or two weeks. The 196 with
both mounts, Garmin and RAM, has arrived yesterday. >>

I have installed the RAM mount with the Garmin GPSmap 196 at the yoke and have flown
about 15 hours with it. The RAM kit offers much more flexibility than the original Garmin
mount and I easily can position it to maintain best view of the panel behind.
RAM is at <www.ram-mount.com> and offers a very detailed catalogue on its various
mounts, which fit almost anything one could wish to work with in the cockpit - without
putting it into the panel.

I bought the RAM gear at MobileCX Inc. Savannah <www.mobilecx.com> , shipping to
Europe was quick and without flaws.

Thanks to David, Wyatt and Christopher for helping with comments on the topic.

Otto (EDML)