Piper SB1161/rib replacement update

[Jack Allison]

Updated pictures here:
http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/k2_boardrider/Ribs/

Right wing is done. Left wing top rivet work is done and bottom rivet
work is in progress. Should be airworthy before the end of next week.

GNS-430 is back from Garmin (had to comply with an AD and get a hardware
& software update done).

Cheapest part installed on the plane to date: $6 luggage door strap from
Ground Tech. Has absolutely nothing to do with the rib repair...but
it's nice to know that not *everything* costs an arm and a leg. Well,
ok, nearly everything...but at least not a luggage door strap.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> Cheapest part installed on the plane to date: $6 luggage door strap from
> Ground Tech. Has absolutely nothing to do with the rib repair...but
> it's nice to know that not *everything* costs an arm and a leg. Well,
> ok, nearly everything...but at least not a luggage door strap.

You bought a luggage door strap?

Mary cut the little latchy thing out of our old grody one, inserted
said latchy thing into a piece of rip-stop nylon strap she had laying
around her sewing room, and I screwed it the other end into place.

Cost: Priceless! :-)

(Did you see they now make a gas piston opener for our luggage door?)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, iA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jon Kraus]

How many AMU's is all this going to set you back Jack? Sounds salty....
I am crossing my fingers that the 9 AMU annual of last year dosn
repeat itself next month for annual # 2 (please no flames about the
difference between an annual as most of us refer to it as, and the
technical annual inspection).

Jon Kraus
'79 201
4443H @ TYQ

Jack Allison wrote:
> Updated pictures here:
> http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/k2_boardrider/Ribs/
>
> Right wing is done. Left wing top rivet work is done and bottom rivet
> work is in progress. Should be airworthy before the end of next week.
>
> GNS-430 is back from Garmin (had to comply with an AD and get a hardware
> & software update done).
>
> Cheapest part installed on the plane to date: $6 luggage door strap from
> Ground Tech. Has absolutely nothing to do with the rib repair...but
> it's nice to know that not *everything* costs an arm and a leg. Well,
> ok, nearly everything...but at least not a luggage door strap.
>

[A Lieberman]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:34:26 -0700, Jack Allison wrote:

> Updated pictures here:
> http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/k2_boardrider/Ribs/

Dayem Jack,

This hurts just looking at the pictures!

Hope you get 'er up and flying soon! Will there be rigging adjustments
need to be done after your first beta flight?

Allen

[Jim Burns]

Keep puttering on the "little things", it'll keep your mind off the big
things.
They should have at least had the heart to send a free box of Kleenex when
they sold you those ribs. Maximum royal suckage.
Glad it's coming together.

Jim

[Jack Allison]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Cheapest part installed on the plane to date: $6 luggage door strap from
>>Ground Tech. Has absolutely nothing to do with the rib repair...but
>>it's nice to know that not *everything* costs an arm and a leg. Well,
>>ok, nearly everything...but at least not a luggage door strap.
>
>
> You bought a luggage door strap?

Yes, I did. $6 from Ground Tech. Cheap cheap! Well, ok, not as cheap
as Mary and her sewing expertise but when you factor in that it took me
a whopping 10 minutes of my time (5 noodling around their website, 5
more on the phone with them)...it's pretty hard to beat.
>
> Mary cut the little latchy thing out of our old grody one, inserted
> said latchy thing into a piece of rip-stop nylon strap she had laying
> around her sewing room, and I screwed it the other end into place.
>
> Cost: Priceless! :-)
But is it a PMA part? :-)

>
> (Did you see they now make a gas piston opener for our luggage door?)

Yes. Very cool but, IMHO, very over priced. IIRC, something like .179
AMU. Cool but I'll take the $6 strap


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> How many AMU's is all this going to set you back Jack?

Estimate was 50-70 hours labor at $70/hr. Parts were 1.2 AMUs. Do the
math and it's just south of 5 AMUs on the low side. We don't like to
think about the high side. The labor estimate was purposely high as the
shop doesn't like to overrun. One nice thing is that they didn't track
the number of hours on the right wing as they had extra learning curve
time to deal with. They're going to take the number of hours for the
left wing (which is taking much less time) and double it. I'll be sure
to post the final AMU amount. Kleenex gladly accepted.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

A Lieberman wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:34:26 -0700, Jack Allison wrote:
>
>
>>Updated pictures here:
>>http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/k2_boardrider/Ribs/
>
>
> Dayem Jack,
>
> This hurts just looking at the pictures!

Yep, it's pretty sad to see how many rivets needed to be drilled out.
Felt like a kit builder's nightmare.

>
> Hope you get 'er up and flying soon! Will there be rigging adjustments
> need to be done after your first beta flight?

Probably. The plane was slightly out of rig and we were going to
address that while it was down for the annual. We'll test fly and see
how any normal (as in part of the annual) control cable tension
adjustments may or may not have addressed the issue and go from there.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

Jim Burns wrote:
> They should have at least had the heart to send a free box of Kleenex when
> they sold you those ribs. Maximum royal suckage.
That's ok, I can always drown my sorrows in free coffee and donuts at
the shop on Saturday mornings.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Montblack]

("Jack Allison" wrote)
> Updated pictures here:
> http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/k2_boardrider/Ribs/


Bricks????


Montblack

[Jack Allison]

Montblack wrote:

> Bricks????
Very observant MontBlack(or is it MontJet)san. Yes, bricks. A couple
of 2X4s as well. High tech? No. Effective? Yes. I know, with your
head deep in (no, I don't mean there)...but rather MontJet design, I'm
sure the sight of plain old bricks threw you for a loop. Sorry, us
lowly 100ll burners are just regular folks and use regular things to
prop up our planes when replacing airframe components on a 35 year old
plane. :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jon Kraus]

I was thinking it woulod be in the 5 AMU range (just a guess)... It
sounds like the shop is being fair to you and that is good.. The last
fuel tank repair we had a new shop make they ran WAY over their estimate
of hours but still honored their original amount. We appreciated that
and will take 43H there for our next annual.

On a good not 5 AMU's divided by 3 is a lot easier to choke down than a
sole ownership would be. :-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

Jack Allison wrote:
> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>> How many AMU's is all this going to set you back Jack?
>
>
> Estimate was 50-70 hours labor at $70/hr. Parts were 1.2 AMUs. Do the
> math and it's just south of 5 AMUs on the low side. We don't like to
> think about the high side. The labor estimate was purposely high as the
> shop doesn't like to overrun. One nice thing is that they didn't track
> the number of hours on the right wing as they had extra learning curve
> time to deal with. They're going to take the number of hours for the
> left wing (which is taking much less time) and double it. I'll be sure
> to post the final AMU amount. Kleenex gladly accepted.
>
>

[Robert M. Gary]

> Yep, it's pretty sad to see how many rivets needed to be drilled out.
> Felt like a kit builder's nightmare.

Did you drill the rivets yourself to save money?