Jeppesen FliteMap- where do you put your laptop?

[Bill Padley]

Hi all..


just upgraded my excellent Jepp flitestar IFR to flitemap (very good deal it
was too ! )

I bought a new laptop which prompted this , the very small Sony TR1MP...
Im very impressed with the software indeed, but one question to those who
have Flitemap..

where do you put your laptop , so you can use it? - is it actually usable in
flight, or do you really someone in the right hand seat to be using it?
Given that my laptop is small , the coaming would be the obvious, but even
that would restrict the view


Any answers appreciated..its a great bit of kit!


Bill Padley
London

[Dan Luke]

"Bill Padley" wrote:
> where do you put your laptop , so you can use it?

I have a Sony PCG-TR1AP that I use for WxWorx satellite weather. It
rides on the right seat or in the lap of whomever sits there.

> - is it actually usable in flight, or do you really someone in the
right
> hand seat to be using it?

Either works, but both are unhandy.

> Given that my laptop is small , the coaming would be the obvious,
> but even that would restrict the view

Mine won't fit on the coaming - I fly a C-172RG

> ..its a great bit of kit!

I like the notebook pc and WxWorx, but but having all that stuff in the
cabin is a bit of a kluge. Someday I'll move up to a certified, panel
mounted solution.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[C J Campbell]

Most people put the laptop on the seat next to them or have a passenger hold
it. When they get tired of not being able to see it (either the passenger is
not holding it just right or the bright sun makes the screen impossible to
see) and tired of the power save feature turning off the laptop at
inopportune times and tired of the lid closing unexpectedly and tired of the
system crashing unexpectedly and tired of the batteries dying and tired of
cables wandering all over the cockpit and tired of the laptop falling onto
the floor and tired of having it and its cables crushed under the seat
tracks and tired of it falling out of the airplane and onto the concrete
whenever anyone gets in or out and tired of passengers tripping over cables
and falling on their faces onto the concrete when they get in or out -- then
they put the laptop away and never use it again.

[Cecil E. Chapman]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Most people put the laptop on the seat next to them or have a passenger
hold
> it. When they get tired of not being able to see it (either the passenger
is
> not holding it just right or the bright sun makes the screen impossible to
> see) and tired of the power save feature turning off the laptop at
> inopportune times and tired of the lid closing unexpectedly and tired of
the
> system crashing unexpectedly and tired of the batteries dying and tired of
> cables wandering all over the cockpit and tired of the laptop falling onto
> the floor and tired of having it and its cables crushed under the seat
> tracks and tired of it falling out of the airplane and onto the concrete
> whenever anyone gets in or out and tired of passengers tripping over
cables
> and falling on their faces onto the concrete when they get in or out --
then
> they put the laptop away and never use it again.

Exactly, my experience with 'in-flight' laptop use....... not terribly
practical nor probably very safe....

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>
>

[MC]

C J Campbell wrote:
>
> Most people put the laptop on the seat next to them or have a passenger hold
> it. When they get tired of not being able to see it (either the passenger is
> not holding it just right or the bright sun makes the screen impossible to
> see) and tired of the power save feature turning off the laptop at
> inopportune times and tired of the lid closing unexpectedly and tired of the
> system crashing unexpectedly and tired of the batteries dying and tired of
> cables wandering all over the cockpit and tired of the laptop falling onto
> the floor and tired of having it and its cables crushed under the seat
> tracks and tired of it falling out of the airplane and onto the concrete
> whenever anyone gets in or out and tired of passengers tripping over cables
> and falling on their faces onto the concrete when they get in or out -- then
> they put the laptop away and never use it again.

So true.
But it's still usefull to take a sideways peek every now and then to confirm
the current versus desired position., especially in non-coastal area of
Australia where radio navaids tend to be few and very far between.

[Blanche]

I usually leave the portable locked in the trunk of the car.

[Bill Padley]

LOL

cheers for the advice..
I thought that may be the case...
I have a Skyforce 111c in the aircraft anyway , but as I already had
Flitestar IFR and a new laptop, it was not too expensive to upgrade to
flitemap....
I wonder who they market this at then ?

Bill Padley
London
"MC" > wrote in message
...
> C J Campbell wrote:
> >
> > Most people put the laptop on the seat next to them or have a passenger
hold
> > it. When they get tired of not being able to see it (either the
passenger is
> > not holding it just right or the bright sun makes the screen impossible
to
> > see) and tired of the power save feature turning off the laptop at
> > inopportune times and tired of the lid closing unexpectedly and tired of
the
> > system crashing unexpectedly and tired of the batteries dying and tired
of
> > cables wandering all over the cockpit and tired of the laptop falling
onto
> > the floor and tired of having it and its cables crushed under the seat
> > tracks and tired of it falling out of the airplane and onto the concrete
> > whenever anyone gets in or out and tired of passengers tripping over
cables
> > and falling on their faces onto the concrete when they get in or out --
then
> > they put the laptop away and never use it again.
>
> So true.
> But it's still usefull to take a sideways peek every now and then to
confirm
> the current versus desired position., especially in non-coastal area of
> Australia where radio navaids tend to be few and very far between.

[Doug]

In the baggage compartment.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Doug" > wrote in message
om...
> In the baggage compartment.

My wife or the kids play games on it in the back seat.

[Bill Padley]

Guys

anyone tried this...?
looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you are an
aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
aircraft
http://www.navaero.com/index.html

Bill Padley
London


"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doug" > wrote in message
> om...
> > In the baggage compartment.
>
> My wife or the kids play games on it in the back seat.
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Bill Padley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Guys
>
> anyone tried this...?
> looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you are an
> aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> aircraft
> http://www.navaero.com/index.html
>
> Bill Padley
> London

The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting Chicago
and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
pillage the place.

[Bill Padley]

Tom..

just let me know when you are done , and I will order it then :-)

Bill Padley
London
"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Guys
> >
> > anyone tried this...?
> > looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you are
an
> > aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> > aircraft
> > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> >
> > Bill Padley
> > London
>
> The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
Chicago
> and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> pillage the place.
>
>
>
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Bill Padley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Tom..
>
> just let me know when you are done , and I will order it then :-)


Being in London, you may be unaware that the corrupt Mayor of Chicago
(Yes...it's redundant) shutdown a reliever airport by having his thugs
bulldoze the place at 3:00AM. In light of that action, many pilots are
boycotting Chicago for things such as conventions, recreational travel and
the like.

I doubt if people are considering boycotts of Chicago area merchants, but
strange things do happen.

Now, if Chicago's Cubs (baseball) go to the World Series, something they
haven't done since 1945, things might get dicey. Do not confuse "da' Cubs,
the baseball team, with 'da Bears, the football team, or 'da Bulls, their
basketball team.

Sacking and pillaging will commence as soon as we can rent a bus to
transport the participants. We expect to use Jay Honeck's hotel in Iowa as a
staging area.



>
> > > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> > >
> > > Bill Padley
> > > London
> >
> > The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
> Chicago
> > and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> > pillage the place.

[Bill Padley]

Tom

aaah ...life is SO much simpler in sleepy old England :-)

Bill Padley
London
"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Tom..
> >
> > just let me know when you are done , and I will order it then :-)
>
>
> Being in London, you may be unaware that the corrupt Mayor of Chicago
> (Yes...it's redundant) shutdown a reliever airport by having his thugs
> bulldoze the place at 3:00AM. In light of that action, many pilots are
> boycotting Chicago for things such as conventions, recreational travel and
> the like.
>
> I doubt if people are considering boycotts of Chicago area merchants, but
> strange things do happen.
>
> Now, if Chicago's Cubs (baseball) go to the World Series, something they
> haven't done since 1945, things might get dicey. Do not confuse "da' Cubs,
> the baseball team, with 'da Bears, the football team, or 'da Bulls, their
> basketball team.
>
> Sacking and pillaging will commence as soon as we can rent a bus to
> transport the participants. We expect to use Jay Honeck's hotel in Iowa as
a
> staging area.
>
>
>
> >
> > > > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Bill Padley
> > > > London
> > >
> > > The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
> > Chicago
> > > and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> > > pillage the place.
>
>

[C J Campbell]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Guys
> >
> > anyone tried this...?
> > looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you are
an
> > aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> > aircraft
> > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> >
> > Bill Padley
> > London
>
> The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
Chicago
> and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> pillage the place.

Don't forget to invite me! I love sacking and pillaging. And rape. Don't
forget the rape. Yep, looting, raping and burning, the screams of the
villagers, the lamentations of the women, the smell of burning huts -- it
really brings back memories.

"The best thing in life is to crush your enemy, to drive him like the wind
before you, and to hear the lamentations of his women."

[Tom Sixkiller]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Guys
> > >
> > > anyone tried this...?
> > > looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you
are
> an
> > > aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> > > aircraft
> > > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> > >
> > > Bill Padley
> > > London
> >
> > The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
> Chicago
> > and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> > pillage the place.
>
> Don't forget to invite me! I love sacking and pillaging. And rape. Don't
> forget the rape. Yep, looting, raping and burning, the screams of the
> villagers, the lamentations of the women, the smell of burning huts -- it
> really brings back memories.

In Chicago, under my scenario, that would be burning Polish sausage...

[Scott Moore]

"Bill Padley" > wrote in message . ..
> Hi all..
>
>
> just upgraded my excellent Jepp flitestar IFR to flitemap (very good deal it
> was too ! )
>
> I bought a new laptop which prompted this , the very small Sony TR1MP...
> Im very impressed with the software indeed, but one question to those who
> have Flitemap..
>
> where do you put your laptop , so you can use it? - is it actually usable in
> flight, or do you really someone in the right hand seat to be using it?
> Given that my laptop is small , the coaming would be the obvious, but even
> that would restrict the view
>
>
> Any answers appreciated..its a great bit of kit!
>
>
> Bill Padley
> London
>
>

I got a tablet, removed the battery, reduced the weight to 1 lb and yoke
mounted it.

Laptops are far too large for aircraft use. Referencing the map or plates
is going to require turning your head a lot, and the laptop might start
moving.

[Scott Moore]

"Bill Padley" > wrote in message . ..
> Guys
>
> anyone tried this...?
> looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you are an
> aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> aircraft
> http://www.navaero.com/index.html
>
> Bill Padley
> London
>

I did that with my tablet for a while. It did not cost anything. I just took
out the strap for my kneeboard and attached it to the back of the tablet.
Because tablet PCs can have glare off the surface and limited angle of
view, I found myself continually juggling it with my knee to be able to
see it properly. I changed it to a yoke mount, which brought it to the
correct spot to view it, and angle.

Tablets are good solutions to get the "glass cockpit" feel while we
are still waiting for G1000 prices to come down :-) (probally a long
wait). I would suggest to anyone trying this to get the lightest, smallest
and highest resolution unit available, and try it out in daylight and
pitch darkness (yes, they can be too bright as well).

[C J Campbell]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > Guys
> > > >
> > > > anyone tried this...?
> > > > looks like a great solution to the laptop issue , especially if you
> are
> > an
> > > > aircraft owner , where the wiring could be tidied up and left in the
> > > > aircraft
> > > > http://www.navaero.com/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Bill Padley
> > > > London
> > >
> > > The company is based in Chicago...most people in here are boycotting
> > Chicago
> > > and everything about it. AAMOF, several of us are planning to sack and
> > > pillage the place.
> >
> > Don't forget to invite me! I love sacking and pillaging. And rape. Don't
> > forget the rape. Yep, looting, raping and burning, the screams of the
> > villagers, the lamentations of the women, the smell of burning huts --
it
> > really brings back memories.
>
> In Chicago, under my scenario, that would be burning Polish sausage...
>
>

Sacking and pillaging Chicago should be pretty easy, seeing as how Mayor
Daley has already made considerable progress on the job.

[John T]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message

>
> "The best thing in life is to crush your enemy, to drive him like the
> wind before you, and to hear the lamentations of his women."

Yeah, but you're missing the all important accent!

"The best thing in life is to cwush yu enemy, to dwive him like the wind
befo yu, and to heah the lamentations of his wimmen."

:)

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415
____________________

[Blanche]

John T > wrote:
>"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>
>> "The best thing in life is to crush your enemy, to drive him like the
>> wind before you, and to hear the lamentations of his women."
>
>Yeah, but you're missing the all important accent!
>
>"The best thing in life is to cwush yu enemy, to dwive him like the wind
>befo yu, and to heah the lamentations of his wimmen."
>
>:)

But you forgot that it's absolutely required (for the full and
complete effect) to have the "Ride of the Valkyries" playing in
the background.

(*chortle*)

[Rob Thomas]

What a great idea! I have a tablet that I use in my day to day work. I
never thought of yoke mounting it!

How did you go about mounting it? What tablet do you have?

r.

"Scott Moore" > wrote in message
news:UkA1c.34298$ko6.335692@attbi_s02...
> "Bill Padley" > wrote in message
. ..
> > Hi all..
> >
> >
> > just upgraded my excellent Jepp flitestar IFR to flitemap (very good
deal it
> > was too ! )
> >
> > I bought a new laptop which prompted this , the very small Sony TR1MP...
> > Im very impressed with the software indeed, but one question to those
who
> > have Flitemap..
> >
> > where do you put your laptop , so you can use it? - is it actually
usable in
> > flight, or do you really someone in the right hand seat to be using it?
> > Given that my laptop is small , the coaming would be the obvious, but
even
> > that would restrict the view
> >
> >
> > Any answers appreciated..its a great bit of kit!
> >
> >
> > Bill Padley
> > London
> >
> >
>
> I got a tablet, removed the battery, reduced the weight to 1 lb and yoke
> mounted it.
>
> Laptops are far too large for aircraft use. Referencing the map or plates
> is going to require turning your head a lot, and the laptop might start
> moving.
>
>

[Scott Moore]

"Rob Thomas" > wrote in message ...
> What a great idea! I have a tablet that I use in my day to day work. I
> never thought of yoke mounting it!
>
> How did you go about mounting it? What tablet do you have?
>
> r.
>

I have a Fujitsu tablet. These were produced before the "Microsoft wave"
hit, and are much smaller than a standard tablet without a keyboard,
about the size of an approach plate.

There (apparently) is no commercial mount for it, so I created my own
from aluminum channel stock using a drill and an existing yoke plate
holder. I put plastic rigid foam underneath it to hold it up off the yoke,
and tied it in using wire wrap ties. This was necesary because the plate
mount was not designed for a 1 lb weight, and would vibrate.

I power the unit via the 12v plug (Cessna 172 12v system), and a "battery
starter" unit that has a lead-acid battery sealed into a unit with auto
power plugs going in and out (it was designed to help start your car),
for $36. The airplane can keep it charged, and it provides complete
self-contained backup for the whole system without needing a battery
on the tablet itself, which makes the tablet both smaller and lighter.
The battery is mounted on the floor between the seats.

For the GPS, I choose a USB "all in one" GPS/antenna. These units are
hard to find, but have only one cord and no external power connection,
because the USB itself carries power. The entire GPS fits in the antenna,
which is double sided taped to the window at the top. The wires are taped
to the side of the cockpit, so it still qualifies as "add on" equipment.
Probally the only problem with that is they keep ripping it all out
at annual time, and I have to redo everything.

I have an in-panel GPS as well. This system is essentially a complete
dual backup with its own display, GPS and power. I run Jepp Flightmap
and Flightdeck on it. The only serious problem is that these two
peices of software don't cooperate, so you have to cancel out of one
to get the other. Jepp has promised to fix this, but so far nothing.
The system will be worlds better when it can switch to "approach mode"
and start showing you plates after the enroute mode. I have essentially
let the flightmap subscription lapse and kept the plates because of
this.

To use this system under real IFR, it takes lots of practice, and I
always keep the paper plates nearby. If I find myself arguing with the
unit, I get the plate out and forget about it for a while. I find the
best use of the unit is to get absolute situational awareness of
terrain at night, since Flightmap gives you your profile over the
ground and AGL at any time.

Luck !