Flying to Europe

[Bob Webster]

Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:

http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope

I'd be interested in any comments, criticism, or general harassment.

Bob Webster

[Bob Gardner]

Thanks for posting the link. I have a friend who used to fly his Skylane to
Greece fairly regularly, and with the exception of the HF radio I didn't
really understand what was involved.

Bob Gardner

"Bob Webster" > wrote in message
. com...
> Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>
> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>
> I'd be interested in any comments, criticism, or general harassment.
>
> Bob Webster

[Nathan Young]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:52:31 GMT, Bob Webster > wrote:

>Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>
> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>
>I'd be interested in any comments, criticism, or general harassment.
>
>Bob Webster

Great site Bob, thanks!

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Bob Webster > wrote:
>Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>
> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope

I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Doug]

You left out the Faroe (spelling) islands. They are between Iceland
and Scotland and my understanding is they have an airport with fuel.
They belong to Denmark. Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?
But yes, it's a great site. One thing, all these over the water regs,
who enforces them? I mean what jurisdiction are you under when flying
them?

Must be a great trip. I have flight planned it with my Jeppessen
FlightStar, but never flown it. I got the longest leg at 465 NM
(Greenland to Iceland), but it may be shorter if you land and fuel up
with portable tanks at an airport in Greenland, (maybe there is fuel
there, I dunno). I suggest you include some info for smaller, slower
GA planes, if you can.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:<Yzu7c.58383$po.546602@attbi_s52>...
> In article >,
> Bob Webster > wrote:
> >Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
> >
> > http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>
> I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
> something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

[Thomas Borchert]

Doug,

> Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?
>

Well, you look out the window... ;-)

What aspect interests you most? The main problem on longer trips is
that regs tend to vary a lot from country to country. E.g., Spain
requires flight plans for all VFR flights. In Germany, airfields are
only open when an official "observer" is present. Landing fees are
common and high.

Other than that, it's fun. Oh, and the fuel prices differ somewhat....

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Bob Webster]

Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

I haven't flown much VFR in Europe, but from what I've seen it's similar
to the U.S. In a lot of places a non-local VFR flight requries a flight
plan, and there are a LOT of restricted areas with funny names. I'd
recommend asking the locals if a route is reasonable before you take off.

I think the overwater regs are enforced by the country you fly out of
and the country you're based at. There was a Chicago Convention a long
time ago, and people from countries that signed that agreement are
allowed into other countries that signed that agreement without getting
shot down. Except the U.S., if you forget to contact Customs.

Bob

Doug wrote:

> You left out the Faroe (spelling) islands. They are between Iceland
> and Scotland and my understanding is they have an airport with fuel.
> They belong to Denmark. Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?
> But yes, it's a great site. One thing, all these over the water regs,
> who enforces them? I mean what jurisdiction are you under when flying
> them?
>
> Must be a great trip. I have flight planned it with my Jeppessen
> FlightStar, but never flown it. I got the longest leg at 465 NM
> (Greenland to Iceland), but it may be shorter if you land and fuel up
> with portable tanks at an airport in Greenland, (maybe there is fuel
> there, I dunno). I suggest you include some info for smaller, slower
> GA planes, if you can.
>
> (Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:<Yzu7c.58383$po.546602@attbi_s52>...
>
>>In article >,
>>Bob Webster > wrote:
>>
>>>Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>>>
>>> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>>
>>I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
>>something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

[John Pelchat]

SNIP: Bob Webster > wrote in message >...
> Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
> shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
> to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).
>
WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
Cancun.

What an adventure that would be.

Blue skies

John Pelchat

P.S. RE: your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
enjoyed reading what you had to say.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
(John Pelchat) wrote:

> SNIP: Bob Webster > wrote in message
> >...
> > Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
> > shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
> > to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).
> >
> WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
> across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
> would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
> I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
> Cancun.
>
> What an adventure that would be.
>
> Blue skies
>
> John Pelchat
>
> P.S. RE: your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
> enjoyed reading what you had to say.

I have a friend who flew a T-Craft L-2 from California to israel. He
actually landed on the Greenland glacier when it climbed faster than he
did -- turned around, took off and flew around the tip of Greenland.

His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

[Sigvaldi Eggertsson]

Orval Fairbairn > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (John Pelchat) wrote:
>
> > SNIP: Bob Webster > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
> > > shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
> > > to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).
> > >
> > WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
> > across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
> > would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
> > I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
> > Cancun.
> >
> > What an adventure that would be.
> >
> > Blue skies
> >
> > John Pelchat
> >
> > P.S. RE: your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
> > enjoyed reading what you had to say.
>
> I have a friend who flew a T-Craft L-2 from California to israel. He
> actually landed on the Greenland glacier when it climbed faster than he
> did -- turned around, took off and flew around the tip of Greenland.
>
> His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

Cessna 150´s cross the Atlantic on a routine basis. We even had a
Boeing Stearman here a few years back (via Goose bay, Narsarsuaq and
Reykjavík, then on to Höfn, Torshavn and over to Scotland)

[Sylvain]

Orval Fairbairn > wrote in message n
> His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

wouldn't it happen to be the one I once saw at Amelia Reid's Aviation in
Reid-Hillview by any chance?

--Sylvain

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
(Sylvain) wrote:

> Orval Fairbairn > wrote in message n
> > His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!
>
> wouldn't it happen to be the one I once saw at Amelia Reid's Aviation in
> Reid-Hillview by any chance?
>
> --Sylvain

It could very well be. It was Ken Hershberg -- his L-2 is blue
fuselage/yellow wings, with prewar US ARmy markings.

The French were reluctant to let him through French airspace in a
"foreign military" plane. Once he got to Israel, he dismantled it and
sent it airfreight to LAX, where he reassembled it and flew back to
Silicon Valley. He used to keep it at Hollister.

[Paul Sengupta]

"Bob Webster" > wrote in message
m...
> Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
> shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
> to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

In an Aircam??

But then why not? Brian Milton and Colin Bodill traversed the entire
world in their microlights.

Paul

[Paul Sengupta]

"Sigvaldi Eggertsson" > wrote in message
om...
> We even had a
> Boeing Stearman here a few years back (via Goose bay, Narsarsuaq and
> Reykjavík, then on to Höfn, Torshavn and over to Scotland)

That's got to be cold! If you thought you knew what cold
was, I suspect this trip would make you think again...

Paul

[Paul Sengupta]

"John Pelchat" > wrote in message
om...
> What an adventure that would be.

Then of course there's our very own Maurice Kirk.

http://www.pipercubforum.com/gkirk.htm

Paul

[Tony Cox]

"Paul Sengupta" > wrote in message
...
>
> Then of course there's our very own Maurice Kirk.
>
> http://www.pipercubforum.com/gkirk.htm
>

This guy is a hoot. "Race rules required Kirk to carry
a radio and a GPS receiver, which could fix his position
by satellite. He preferred his old school atlas, plotting
his course between "the pink bits" that once marked the
far-flung British Empire." A real ripping yarn. Why did
his daughter "get thrown off the dignitaries plane in
the Middle East"??

[Paul Sengupta]

"Tony Cox" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "Paul Sengupta" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Then of course there's our very own Maurice Kirk.
> >
> > http://www.pipercubforum.com/gkirk.htm
>
> Why did
> his daughter "get thrown off the dignitaries plane in
> the Middle East"??

I have no idea. Maybe you could e-mail him! I think we'd all
like to know! :-) His e-mail's on his website:
http://www.kirkflyingvet.co.uk

It should also have stories about his many run-ins with the
CAA. He's also got lots of quite cheap stuff for sale.

Believe it or not, they let him fly his DH2 at Farnborough last
year! :-)

Though I've seen him around a few times, I've never plucked up
the courage to say hello.

Paul

[John Pelchat]

Bob Webster > wrote in message >...
> Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>
> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>
> I'd be interested in any comments, criticism, or general harassment.
>
> Bob Webster

Mr. Webster,

Regarding the thread about flying to Europe, may I ask two questions
about the AirCam. I have really admired the plane for a long time and
like most every other person interested in aviation have thought about
flying across an ocean.

How long would you expect an Atlantic Crossing with an AirCam to take?
How much range and endurance would you use to plan this kind of trip?

Thank you in advance

John Pelchat

John Pelchat

[Bob Webster]

John Pelchat wrote:
> Bob Webster > wrote in message >...
>
>>Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:
>>
>> http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope
>>
>>I'd be interested in any comments, criticism, or general harassment.
>>
>>Bob Webster
>
>
> Mr. Webster,
>
> Regarding the thread about flying to Europe, may I ask two questions
> about the AirCam. I have really admired the plane for a long time and
> like most every other person interested in aviation have thought about
> flying across an ocean.
>
> How long would you expect an Atlantic Crossing with an AirCam to take?
> How much range and endurance would you use to plan this kind of trip?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> John Pelchat
>
> John Pelchat

Sorry for the slow reply... I've been out flying an AirCam, believe it
or not!

I took the long way from Oklahoma to Sun-n-Fun, 5332 (statute) miles in
about 4 weeks.

http://xpda.com/lakeland04

This was a pretty leisurely pace. A couple of years ago I flew another
long trip, to Alaska:

http://xpda.com/alaska02

On that trip I made about 9000 nm in a little less than 3 weeks of flying.

From Claremore, OK to Paris by AirCam would be 9500 to 10,000 nm.
Teterboro to Stornoway, Scotland would be 7000-7500 nm.

So I'd say it should take around 3-4 weeks of flying time, more or less,
depending on things like weather, how long you fly per day, break-downs,
etc.

Bob Webster

[Bob Webster]

Bob Webster wrote:

> From Claremore, OK to Paris by AirCam would be 9500 to 10,000 nm.
> Teterboro to Stornoway, Scotland would be 7000-7500 nm.

I should clarify -- these are round-trip numbers, not one-way.